Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[LangfordBarrow]

I think you come off as a douche more often than not tbh. I still enjoy your posts and think you're entitled to post how you'd like.

Especially when I'm drinking.

 

[Source]

Stop crying dude. Seriously. It's embarrassing.

Do you really want to do this again?

 

[MIKOM]

Do you have anything to offer other than this absolute drivel? If you disagree with me or others it's fine, but at least there are posters here who can bother to discuss or debate the topic, you just go around like-farming with stupid little reddit comments and it's so lame dude. At least @luckyshot is in the trenches talking about the issue even if he thinks i'm a kremlin bot retard, you're just sitting on the outskirts being annoying.

Apologies, Fonz, did I disturb you as you lazed nonchalantly against the jukebox?

<Oku02>

 

[b34stmode]

Russian special envoy resigns over Ukraine invasion, reportedly flees country | Fox News

Anatoly Chubais: Senior Kremlin official resigns | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera

Russian government official Anatoly Chubais stepped down from his position in the highest-level display of opposition to President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

Bloomberg reported that Chubais, 66, fled the country after leaving his role in protest, but Reuters noted that it is not clear why he decided to leave the country. Chubais reportedly hung up the phone when asked to comment on the matter.

Pretty big, this guy helped Pootin get started back in the 90s.

 

[Da Speeit]

Do you really want to do this again?

What's the worst that's gonna happen? You're gonna fume and sputter and insult my trade and class as a way to demean me then demand I be banned then scurry away when I quote posts of you being a classist snob with no respect for we working class people?

 

[Da Speeit]

Apologies, Fonz, did I disturb you as you lazed nonchalantly against the jukebox?

<Oku02>

Okay this was a fucking hilarious post
Carry on, I'm sorry.

 

[ViD]

Honest question here:

At the outset of this conflict most military analysts predicted Russia would take Kiev within 2-3 days.

Here we are a month into the war, only one Ukranian city has fallen, Kiev stands, Ukranian forces are launching counter-offensives, and Russia has already lost more troops than America did in 20 years in Afghanistan.

But there still seems to be a sizable group of posters arguing that this is going WELL for Russia...

Is this just the WR having a strong pro-Russia bias (which it may have)? Or an anti-mainstream media bias (which it DEFINITELY has)?

Or am I missing something?

First of all, Russia doesn’t have a goal of taking Ukraine in 2/3 days, it certainly has the firepower to do it, but that would leave Ukraine completely in ruins with millions dead. They didn’t surrender and they want to fight.

Russia started this operation with about 200000 troops while Ukrainians have 250000 troops.

The current tactics is creating multiple fronts, tying Ukrainian military groups in different locations, cutting them off from supply and centralized command.

The major cities are encircled, but nobody wants thousands civilian deaths hence they don’t storm the cities.

The current tactics is precision strikes on military objects, destroying the supply lines, fuel warehouses.

Strategic goal is finishing off the Ukrainian military group in the east near Donetsk republic, then encircling all major cities in the East and getting Zelensky to sign whatever they want him to sign.

The operation’s main goal is civilian preservation hence why it’s taking much longer than some might expect.

 

[The Diplomat]

"Minor Incursion" Biden has been spot on, then, I'm wrong.

They're all defensive weapons. I'm sorry.

Well, they're being used for defensive purposes. Like @luckyshot said, Ukraine isn't invading Russia, they're defending their country.

 

[luckyshot]

"Minor Incursion" Biden has been spot on, then, I'm wrong.

They're all defensive weapons. I'm sorry.

Biden was definitively predicting that Putin would invade when the rest of the world, including Zelenskyy and the internet, were saying that was crazy talk.

He said it remained to be seen that the extent of the invasion would be. He never exclusively predicted a "minor incursion." Now you are definitely being intentionally dishonest, if you haven't been all along.

 

[Da Speeit]

Well, they're being used for defensive purposes. Like @luckyshot said, Ukraine isn't invading Russia, they're defending their country.

That's fine, but saying they're "Defensive Weapons" is fucking hilarious bullshit. It's like saying Iran getting a nuke is only for "Defensive purposes"

 

[b34stmode]

So did you need me to post that article or what?

I've read it, and I said I was wrong on the subject. Do you have trouble reading? Or you can't move on from one subject to another? You going to bring that up every time a new subject is mentioned? You are taking shit posting to new heights, I'll just ignore you from now on.

Fucking LMAO @

"As for your "things going well", they have Kiev virtually surrounded, are waiting in place with minimal effort and Zelensky is more and more open to negotiations as this drags on. I don't think it's going that badly based on my perception of Putin's objectives (I've stated what I think they are since day one)"

Every single word of this is fake news.

 

[luckyshot]

First of all, Russia doesn’t have a goal of taking Ukraine in 2/3 days, it certainly has the firepower to do it, but that would leave Ukraine completely in ruins with millions dead. They didn’t surrender and they want to fight.

Russia started this operation with about 200000 troops while Ukrainians have 250000 troops.

The current tactics is creating multiple fronts, tying Ukrainian military groups in different locations, cutting them off from supply and centralized command.

The major cities are encircled, but nobody wants thousands civilian deaths hence they don’t storm the cities.

The current tactics is precision strikes on military objects, destroying the supply lines, fuel warehouses.

Strategic goal is finishing off the Ukrainian military group in the east near Donetsk republic, then encircling all major cities in the East and getting Zelensky to sign whatever they want him to sign.

The operation’s main goal is civilian preservation hence why it’s taking much longer than some might expect.

What are your estimates of Russian casualties so far?

 

[Da Speeit]

Biden was definitively predicting that Putin would invade when the rest of the world, including Zelenskyy and the internet, were saying that was crazy talk.

He said it remained to be seen that the extent of the invasion would be. He never exclusively predicted a "minor incursion." Now you are definitely being intentionally dishonest, if you haven't been all along.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e-than-just-gaffe-it-revealed-weak-president/

Official U.S. policy has been clear from the outset of the mounting geopolitical crisis. If Russia invades Ukraine, as its troop buildup near the border suggests it might, the United States and its NATO allies would impose massive economic sanctions. Reiterating that policy should have been a chip shot for the president. Instead, he issued a blunder heard round the world.

It doesn’t matter that White House press secretary Jen Psaki issued a clarifying statement only moments after Biden left the stage that the United States would view any movement of Russian forces into Ukraine as an invasion. Or that Biden the next day emphasized that Russia would pay a “heavy price.” Ukrainian officials still seemed flabbergasted by the remark, and allies who were already leery of following Biden’s lead are likely nervous about where he might be taking them.



Whatever you say man

 

[The Diplomat]

That's fine, but saying they're "Defensive Weapons" is fucking hilarious bullshit. It's like saying Iran getting a nuke is only for "Defensive purposes"

Odd semantics to get hung up on. Maybe because you yourself said that the 3k death number sounds about right, when trying to disprove @luckyshot's statement about Russia losing more men in a month than US did in 20 years in Afghanistan. It was a switcharoo, a decoy, a sham.

 

[luckyshot]

That's fine, but saying they're "Defensive Weapons" is fucking hilarious bullshit. It's like saying Iran getting a nuke is only for "Defensive purposes"

No, it's not, because the express design of a nuke is to blow up shit in someone else's country.

You're seriously comparing an anti-tank weapon to a nuke?

 

[b34stmode]

First of all, Russia doesn’t have a goal of taking Ukraine in 2/3 days, it certainly has the firepower to do it, but that would leave Ukraine completely in ruins with millions dead. They didn’t surrender and they want to fight.

Russia started this operation with about 200000 troops while Ukrainians have 250000 troops.

The current tactics is creating multiple fronts, tying Ukrainian military groups in different locations, cutting them off from supply and centralized command.

The major cities are encircled, but nobody wants thousands civilian deaths hence they don’t storm the cities.

The current tactics is precision strikes on military objects, destroying the supply lines, fuel warehouses.

Strategic goal is finishing off the Ukrainian military group in the east near Donetsk republic, then encircling all major cities in the East and getting Zelensky to sign whatever they want him to sign.

The operation’s main goal is civilian preservation hence why it’s taking much longer than some might expect.

What major cities are encircled? Mauripol? And if the goal wasn't to take Kiev in 48 hours, why did they drop hundreds of Paratroopers on the outskirts of Kiev in the first 8 hours? Every one of them is most likely dead. Look up tactics on using VDV.

Russian Airborne Assault Troops [VDV] (fas.org)

It isn't a unit you would use outside of Kiev if you planned on a prolonged war unless you literally sent those men to die.

Sorting fact, disinformation after Russian attack on Ukraine - ABC News (go.com)

— Ukraine’s military said it shot down a Russian military transport plane carrying paratroopers near Vasylkiv, a city 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of Kyiv, an account confirmed by a senior American intelligence official. It was unclear how many were on board. Transport planes can carry up to 125 paratroopers. Russia has not commented on the incident.

^ Reported 48 hours into the war.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

HOA's are literally socialism gimme mah rights DONT TREAD ON ME LIBS

At least you don't have to worry about your neighbor trimming his lawn.

 

[ViD]

What are your estimates of Russian casualties so far?

I have no good estimates, but from what I hear the first week was the heaviest losses(only officially they admitted 500 dead) because they miscalculated the resistance and marched convoy groups without sufficient protection.
Since then they changed the tactics and there’s less casualties - from what people report, most losses come from artillery, not much from any actual gun firefights.

 

[and 68 others like this]

The guy is clearly a deranged sociopath. He takes far too much enjoyment in killing people. This is going to make @and 68 others like this very unhappy.

Very very unhappy indeed. But good to read he won you over. I mean, you’re right. One can’t simply be a sociopath and have a kid. Truly impossible.

 

[deadon]

I'd just like to take a moment to say RIP to ALL that have lost their lives in this war. No matter what side you're on the government gives the orders to the peasants and they do the dirty work or else.

RIP to ALL these people that have lost their lives.