Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[Cole train]

Could the US get in trouble with Americans fighting in direct combat as PMCs? Even if they weren’t paid by the US government?

West really doesnt have wagner like merc group which basically is goverment ran pmc group which engages in combat directly

 

[7even]

No.

Outer Heaven army is a fictional mercenary army from the Metal Gear Solid video game franchise. I know in
the west that Black Water was the closest thing we got to that in a real world setting before they were disbanded. I wonder how powerful PMCs can get, especially after this conflict.

 

[San Marino]

'Hello Kitty.' It is the real deal in a .22LR caliber pistol.

 

[deadon]

Could the US get in trouble with Americans fighting in direct combat as PMCs? Even if they weren’t paid by the US government?

This is the US at its best. Supply Ukraine with weapons, military, money and food.

Then say, hey it's not any armed forces! Lol kind of like Iraq and Stan. We would hire trained military and send them in. "They're acting on their own" lol yeah right.
What we're doing is fighting a war through another country. Kind of like we did with Stan and Russia back in the day.

If I were putin I'd rain all hell down on the US. Obviously this isn't something I want as I'm a red blooded American. But if they were pulling the sane shit against the US I'd want to smash Russia.

 

[TUFNewb]

This is the US at its best. Supply Ukraine with weapons, military, money and food.

Then say, hey it's not any armed forces! Lol kind of like Iraq and Stan. We would hire trained military and send them in. "They're acting on their own" lol yeah right.
What we're doing is fighting a war through another country. Kind of like we did with Stan and Russia back in the day.

If I were putin I'd rain all hell down on the US. Obviously this isn't something I want as I'm a red blooded American. But if they were pulling the sane shit against the US I'd want to smash Russia.

The US agreed to do exactly what it is doing now when it signed Budapest Memorandum. They most provide assistance to Ukraine or be in violation of what they promised.

 

[San Marino]

I know in the west that Black Water was the closest thing we got to that in a real world setting before they were disbanded. I wonder how powerful PMCs can get, especially after this conflict.

'Black Water' is still active. They just changed their name. It is now called 'Academi.'
Academi provides security services to the United States federal government on a contractual basis. Since 2003, the group has provided services to the CIA. In 2013, Academi subsidiary International Development Solutions received an approximately $92 million contract for State Department security guards. In 2014, Academi merged with Triple Canopy, a subsidiary of Constellis Group.

 

[Anewt]

West really doesnt have wagner like merc group which basically is goverment ran pmc group which engages in combat directly

There's plenty of western pmcs mate

 

[deadon]

That's the problem with dictatorships there is zero accountability w


The US agreed to do exactly what it is doing now when it signed Budapest Memorandum. They most provide assistance to Ukraine or be in violation of what they promised.

You really think you know all that's going on? I'm sure they're following the agreement but I'm also sure there's a whole hell of a lot going on also that we don't know about.

 

[San Marino]

 

[TUFNewb]

You really think you know all that's going on? I'm sure they're following the agreement but I'm also sure there's a whole hell of a lot going on also that we don't know about.

The agreement is the agreement. Ukraine gives back nukes, Russia never threatens their security, and the US provide assistance when the Russians inevitably break their word. Nothing else matters. That's why we can get away with giving the Ukraine weapons to kill Russias, and the Russians know it.

 

[Darkballs]

And that's why corporate media pump out fake stories, cause you retards fall for every single one of them.

Trump calling Putin "smart," and "savvy," in the immediate aftermath of him invading a European nation, sure does sound like praise to me.

Did Tucker Carlson not cover this?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/09/trump-putin-comments-debate-history/

So no kid, not a lie. Your daddy actually said it.

 

[deadon]

The agreement is the agreement. Ukraine gives back nukes, Russia never threatens their security, and the US provide assistance when the Russians inevitably break their word. Nothing else matters. That's why we get to give Ukraine weapons to kill Russias, and the Russians know it.

Oh it's that clean eh? So let's send in troops. What is Biden waiting for? Clear cut right?

 

[San Marino]

 

[TUFNewb]

Oh it's that clean eh? So let's send in troops. What is Biden waiting for? Clear cut right?

If you read Budapest Memorandum you would know it does not guarantee the same protection that US would provide a NATO member. Hence just weapons and shit and not troops. They are obligated to provide "support" but not "protection".

 

[nostradumbass]

Trump calling Putin "smart," and "savvy," in the immediate aftermath of him invading a European nation, sure does sound like praise to me.

Did Tucker Carlson not cover this?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/09/trump-putin-comments-debate-history/

So no kid, not a lie. Your daddy actually said it.

How did I know your "source" was democrat party propaganda from the fucking washington post and not the actual interview?

 

[Deleted member 555403]

I mean Putin was just bitching about Hollywood not giving Russia enough credit for WW2 today.

interesting tidbit - in the aftermath of WW2 about 60% of French people credited the USSR most for defeating Nazism, about 15% said the US.. like 70 years later the same question was asked to French people and the numbers were reversed

those America WW2 movies are moving a lot of public sentiment globally I guess

 

[deadon]

If you read Budapest Memorandum you would know it does not guarantee the same protection that US would provide a NATO member. Hence just weapons and shit and not troops. They are obligated to provide "support" but not "protection".

This brings us back to the first point I made. We have troops in theater doing more than training.
I bet you believe we didn't have them in Iraq or Afghanistan also. I had a customer that was in Stan and he said they don't have to play by any rules and that's why they get paid why they do. He would never tell me how much.

 

[TUFNewb]

This brings us back to the first point I made. We have troops in theater doing more than training.
I bet you believe we didn't have them in Iraq or Afghanistan also. I had a customer that was in Stan and he said they don't have to play by any rules and that's why they get paid why they do. He would never tell me how much.

So what? They get to do much much more than training according to the treaty. Technically they could even directly intervene and still not be in violation of agreement.

Look, I'm just letting you know why Putin is sitting like a cuck as we provide deadly advanced weapon systems to turn his military into bbq. Because he knows they are the ones to violate the agreement and America is just following through with what it PROMISED it would do. America needs to follow through with promises or else other nations will not trust it, just like they don't trust Russia.

Why are you trying to strawman me with stupid shit about Iraq or Afghanistan? Stick to topic at hand mate.

 

[Strychnine]

So it has nothing to do with how senile and brain dead Biden was by saying troops will soon be there and then the press team correcting him?

Probably thinking about after the war is over. Humanitarian missions happen all across the globe.

That's the USS Mercy, one of my USAF subordinates was deployed to the ship during a cruise in the Pacific.

 

[deadon]

So what? They get to do much much more than training according to the treaty. Technically they could even directly intervene and still not be in violation of agreement.

Look, I'm just letting you know why Putin is sitting like a cuck as we provide deadly advanced weapon systems to turn his military into bbq. Because he knows they are the ones to violate the agreement and America is just following through with what it PROMISED it would do. America needs to follow through with promises or else other nations will not trust it, just like they don't trust Russia.

Why are you trying to strawman me with stupid shit about Iraq or Afghanistan? Stick to topic at hand mate.

I'm trying to understand why putin will kill so many without a thought but you say he's a cuck and won't do shit against Americans in theater. He's already been charged with war crimes right?

We'll see what happens. First we need nato and now we don't eh? Also why did the WH walk back what he said? I mean Biden is the tough guy and we have the right so whats up?