Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

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these people who believe Putin wants to recreate the USSR probably believed George W Bush when he said we have to fight them over there so they don't fight us here and that Sadam had WMDs

what's so hard to understand about the nature of Russia's economy and Ukraine's massive energy reserves?
 
Strychnine said:


Apparently she got an "ammo rack" kill on a Russian tank. Not bad for a former member of Ukrainian parliament.

@GhostZ06 You got a tank version/type based on the overhead shot in the vid?
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if they keep blowing up tanks its gonna put the ukranian farmers with their tractors out of work

"it ain't much, but its honest work"
 
‘Snipers have been picking them off left and right’: Retired U.S. general explains why so many Russian generals are getting killed in Ukraine

"The latest death, reported Saturday by Ukrainian officials, was that of Andrei Mordvichev, who as a lieutenant-general was the highest-ranking of the Russian generals to have been killed so far.

The other issue may be the structure of Russia's armed forces, in which orders come down from commissioned officers, and—because there is a strategic focus on bombarding targets from afar—there is no non-commissioned officer (NCO) corps to facilitate more bottom-up decision-making on the ground.

"So, what happens? The column gets stopped. An impatient general is sitting back there in his armored or whatever vehicle. He goes forward to find out what’s going on because there’s no initiative," said Petraeus.

"Again, there’s no non-commissioned officer corps. There’s no sense of initiative at junior levels. They wait to be told what to do. So he gets up there. And the Ukrainians have very, very good snipers, and they have just been picking them off left and right."

‘Snipers have been picking them off left and right’: Retired U.S. general explains why so many Russian generals are getting killed in Ukraine (msn.com)

@San Marino said...

NCO's are the backbone of the U.S. military. Now we're seeing firsthand what happens when you don't have any NCO's. The Enlisted corps ARE the backbone.
 
blottstein said:
500,000 Iraqi children starved to death from the US-led sanctions in the 90s, to which Madeleine Albright famously quipped "we think the price is worth it". shut the fuck up
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No, that's false. That number was fabricated in a very gross way, and the actual number is nowhere close to that.
 
curryjunkie said:
the video sets out why it has issues re allowing foreign warships through.
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Did not watch the video. You are probably referring to the 'Montreux Convention.'

The Montreux Convention regulates maritime traffic through the Black Sea. It guarantees "complete freedom" of passage for all civilian vessels during peacetime and permits Turkey to restrict the passage of navies not belonging to Black Sea states. Military vessels are limited in number, tonnage and weaponry, with specific provisions governing their mode of entry and duration of stay.

The United States has not signed the convention, and has generally complied with it. The passage of US warships through the Straits also raised controversy, as the convention forbids the transit of non-Black Sea nations' warships with guns of a caliber larger than eight inches (203 mm). In the 1960s, the US sent warships carrying 420 mm caliber ASROC missiles through the Straits and so prompted Soviet protests.

Although the Montreux Convention is cited by the Turkish government as prohibiting aircraft carriers from transiting the Straits, the treaty actually contains no explicit prohibition on aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers do not fit in the Straits.

After the Russian invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022, the Ukrainian government appealed to Turkey to exercise its authority under the Montreux Convention to limit the transit of Russian warships from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea. At least six Russian warships and a submarine had crossed the Turkish straits in February.
 
A court in Moscow on Monday has labeled Meta an "extremist organization" following Russia's ban on Facebook and Instagram, according to reports.
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Is he wrong though?
 
Strychnine said:
‘Snipers have been picking them off left and right’: Retired U.S. general explains why so many Russian generals are getting killed in Ukraine

"The latest death, reported Saturday by Ukrainian officials, was that of Andrei Mordvichev, who as a lieutenant-general was the highest-ranking of the Russian generals to have been killed so far.

The other issue may be the structure of Russia's armed forces, in which orders come down from commissioned officers, and—because there is a strategic focus on bombarding targets from afar—there is no non-commissioned officer (NCO) corps to facilitate more bottom-up decision-making on the ground.

"So, what happens? The column gets stopped. An impatient general is sitting back there in his armored or whatever vehicle. He goes forward to find out what’s going on because there’s no initiative," said Petraeus.

"Again, there’s no non-commissioned officer corps. There’s no sense of initiative at junior levels. They wait to be told what to do. So he gets up there. And the Ukrainians have very, very good snipers, and they have just been picking them off left and right."

‘Snipers have been picking them off left and right’: Retired U.S. general explains why so many Russian generals are getting killed in Ukraine (msn.com)

@San Marino said...

NCO's are the backbone of the U.S. military. Now we're seeing firsthand what happens when you don't have any NCO's. The Enlisted corps ARE the backbone.
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That’s fucking crazy that they don’t have enlisted ranks. Does the O1 take care of everything???
Holy fuck! No wonder they are getting their asses kicked!
 
Kremlin TV Just Declared War on… Arnold Schwarzenegger

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-tv-just-declared-war-213201680.html

russia's dead now

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brothir said:
No, that's false. That number was fabricated in a very gross way, and the actual number is nowhere close to that.
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https://www.gicj.org/positions-opin...razing-the-truth-about-sanctions-against-iraq

The Washington Post article draws on the study “Changing views on child mortality and economic sanctions in Iraq: a history of lies, damned lies and statistics”2, which was written by two researchers at the London School of Economics (LSE) and published by the British Medical Journal of Global Health (BMJGH) on 24 July 2017. To summarize, the study describes the core finding in UNICEF’s 1999 Iraq Child and Maternal Mortality Survey (ICMMS)3 that an additional 550,000 more children had died as a result of the UN-imposed sanctions as “a massive fraud”. The authors allege that UNICEF’s survey data was deliberately falsified by the Iraqi government to fool the international community: “The data were evidently rigged to show a huge and sustained — and largely non-existent — rise in child mortality,” the authors argue. “The objective of Saddam Hussein’s government was to heighten international concern and to get the economic sanctions ended.” The delineated purpose of the study is to uncover a “major deception” contained in UNICEF’s report that had long sustained the view that “the UN’s economic sanctions were wrong”.

A dubious opposition to the collection of data on civilian casualties on the part of the US/UK governments was prevalent already during the reign of the sanctions regime – even if it was to be carried out independently of Iraqi assistance. Hans von Sponeck, UN Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq at the time the survey was conducted, recollects that his independent airstrike reporting was vehemently opposed by the US/UK missions to the UN, on allegations that in providing “statistics of civilian casualties all [he] was doing was to repeat Iraqi propaganda”4. During his verification of civilian casualties, he sometimes found that Iraqi reports had understated deaths.

Sponeck acknowledges that efforts by the Iraqi government to counter the imposed policies and alleviate the suffering of the population were thwarted by the US and UK-imposed blockage of the import of vital goods to improve healthcare, livelihoods, infrastructure, and education. Iraqi women, men, and children kept dying from malnutrition, lacking medicines, diarrhea, and malaria. Life support was withering away, revenues from the traditionally income-generating oil export stolen, and the means and morals of the Iraqi army drenched. Iraq had become a faint shadow of its past.

While an in-depth discussion of the developments that would follow the sanctions surpasses the scope of this article, a brief outlook should suffice to reveal the untenability and inadmissibility of the conclusions drawn in the report. Around 1,500,000 Iraqis, primarily children, died as a direct consequence of the imposed sanctions, according to UNICEF estimates. Many more would die as a result of the havoc in which the country was left. Not only is data illustrating the extreme suffering and skyrocketing death toll among children as direct consequence of the sanctions overwhelming; the devastating developments that ensued after the sanctions were lifted provide little credence to the message that life under sanctions was not that bad and that the figure of 500,000 deaths was “a massive fraud”.

UK and usa decided 500k was a lie.... that's all.. I wonder if there could have been a political reason for them to do that. Hmmmm?
 
Strychnine said:
‘Snipers have been picking them off left and right’: Retired U.S. general explains why so many Russian generals are getting killed in Ukraine

The other issue may be the structure of Russia's armed forces, in which orders come down from commissioned officers, and—because there is a strategic focus on bombarding targets from afar—there is no non-commissioned officer (NCO) corps to facilitate more bottom-up decision-making on the ground.

"So, what happens? The column gets stopped. An impatient general is sitting back there in his armored or whatever vehicle. He goes forward to find out what’s going on because there’s no initiative," said Petraeus.

"Again, there’s no non-commissioned officer corps. There’s no sense of initiative at junior levels. They wait to be told what to do. So he gets up there. And the Ukrainians have very, very good snipers, and they have just been picking them off left and right."

@San Marino said...

NCO's are the backbone of the U.S. military. Now we're seeing firsthand what happens when you don't have any NCO's. The Enlisted corps ARE the backbone.
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Indeed!
You and I both know this firsthand. NCOs win wars, not officers. They carry out the plan and E-5 and below do most of the dying.
Ah, Petraeus, now there was a great four star General from the U.S. Army.
 
IDGETKTFO said:
In this case, they have a choice where they want to live. Some countries, not so much, but in this case, they do.
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Yeah Ukrainians who are pro the west should just move right?
 
tibba said:
UK and usa decided 500k was a lie.... that's all.. I wonder if there could have been a political reason for them to do that. Hmmmm?
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No, there have been several studies that debunked the 500k figure. Besides, the 500k figure is so laughably impossible given the number of Iraqis at the time. Women in Iraq must've given birth to triplets as a rule and chucked them into meat grinders for that number to make sense. Iraq would've been thrown into a multi-generational population growth dampening, which hasn't been the case. Consequently, there has been little change in the actual child mortality following the end of the sanctions, making it simply impossible. The UNICEF report is fraudulent.
 
brothir said:
No, that's false. That number was fabricated in a very gross way, and the actual number is nowhere close to that.
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regularly were at the top in infant mortality and had virtually no access to water purifying methods after their water infrastructure was targeted and destroyed. Iraq's water is a known, it's not good, and where people live relative to water sources is also a known. Throw in the healthcare situation and hundreds of thousands of children died over those years however you want to split it
 
blottstein said:
regularly were at the top in infant mortality and had virtually no access to water purifying methods after their water infrastructure was targeted and destroyed. Iraq's water is a known, it's not good, and where people live relative to water sources is also a known. Throw in the healthcare situation and hundreds of thousands of children died over those years however you want to split it
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That's not even remotely an argument. The sanctions themselves didn't destroy the water infrastructure, and when you say "hundreds of thousands died of children died over those years however you want to split it" that's just you refusing to present a reasonable argument and retreating into your own delusions.
 
M3t4tr0n said:
I remember when the Putin bros were saying "tHe InvaSioN wiLl HapPeN aNY mINuTe!" <45>
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truly embarrassing. I knew there was a strong out of touch with reality group forming, and the same ones continued to justify Poots invasion. Completely ignoring the fact that any official Russian refuses to even call it a war, “special operation” is the term still being used.
 
brothir said:
No, there have been several studies that debunked the 500k figure. Besides, the 500k figure is so laughably impossible given the number of Iraqis at the time. Women in Iraq must've given birth to triplets as a rule and chucked them into meat grinders for that number to make sense. Iraq would've been thrown into a multi-generational population growth dampening, which hasn't been the case. Consequently, there has been little change in the actual child mortality following the end of the sanctions, making it simply impossible. The UNICEF report is fraudulent.
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Mind giving me some better sources then mate?

Their birthrates have been declining since then. But that was a trend before the sanctions

6.04 births per woman in 1988
3.6 births per woman in 2019


Annual estimates indicated a rise in child mortality in the centre/south of the country from 59/1000 to 116/1000 between 1990 and 1991, rising again to 142/1000 by 1998.25 July 2017

Child mortality literally doubled at the same time as the sanctions. Almost tripled before the end of them.
 
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