International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

One example : protected by Pitin russian had worked in factory.
Ofc with mesh factory had ceased work and he didn't had get salary ofc.
Yes, he had avoided stuff like busification and this is good for him.

However new rulers told that he isn't eliglible for unemployment benefits because for him social tax for Russian Federation had not been paid.
More than this : zduni are happy with russian world not taking in account their job and tax paid for Ukr 1991- 2022xx plus . .for pensions calculations .....in matushka....

Now they told that they does have jobs in police etc and for small special operation so jobs are here.... and sooner or later there matushka will do reconstruction.

Even today not all apartments in Severodonetsk does have centralized water supply, some still doesn't have electricity.
Reconstruction is slow, nazis and bad west are threat and responsible.

 

[Bagatur]

Jesus, even Russia has moved on from the NATO threat and protecting the russians narrative, because they know they are not fooling anybody. These Putin's shit lovers need to update their source material.

 

[Cid]

Ukraine is the equivalent of a toddler who was neglected and gaslighted into danger by irresponsible parents (their regime and NATO).

If a toddler plays alone in alligator infested waters, I wouldn't only rage at the alligators and not point out the awful neglect by the parents.

In an ideal world, the alligators would sing hakuna matata and swim with the toddler, not eat it.

However, we live in reality.

You guys are shielding the parents from any blame by raging at the stupid alligators who shouldn't have eaten that poor child.

Again, just insults.

Calls a country that was invaded the equivalent of a toddler.

Gets insulted when called a free thinker.


Quite the hypocrite you are.

I think you're the toddler and that's why you're getting emotional.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

If you aren't the same person you sure are regurgitating the same Russian regime talking points.

Ole fashion Russian propaganda....Putin will always have an excuse to invade.

 

[188912345]

Calls a country that was invaded the equivalent of a toddler.

Gets insulted when called a free thinker.


Quite the hypocrite you are.

I think you're the toddler and that's why you're getting emotional.

It was an allegory that accurately depicts the situation.

"Insulted when called a free thinker", no I think you need to read his message again, and you might understand.

Again, I've responded on topic without calling anyone I disagree with a troll or a bot, a CIA/Stasi-agent, etc.

 

[SoSo]

And you could also say that I'm receiving the same regurgitated neocon drivel back from you guys that I can see on CNN and Fox news.

Also, the same accusations of being a Russian, a troll, an Eastern European, or a previously banned sherdog heretic.

How about a "dork". Has anyone called you a dork yet?

 

[Limbo Pete]

Feel like it's been a minute since we had one of these guys take a run at the thread

 

[LangfordBarrow]

What they shouldn't have done, a few things;

1. Overthrow their old government with open support from NATO-countries.

2. Refused to come to a peaceful agreement/compromise.

3. Banned/arrested the opposition.

4. Terrorist attacks and forced military recruitment.

5. Elected a comedian puppet.

6. Beg the whole Europe and USA etc for money and resources to fight an endless war that they helped provoke.

The results so far? Mass casualties, brain drain, etc. Was it worth it?

Maybe for NATO, but definitely not for the benefit of the Ukrainian people.

For NATO it led to expansion (Finland, Sweden) and increased military spending, and for softening up and further isolating Russia.

I'll leave you guys to it to enjoy your two minutes of hate without interruption now, enjoy.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Ukraine is the equivalent of a toddler who was neglected and gaslighted into danger by irresponsible parents (their regime and NATO).

If a toddler plays alone in alligator infested waters, I wouldn't only rage at the alligators and not point out the awful neglect by the parents.

In an ideal world, the alligators would sing hakuna matata and swim with the toddler, not eat it.

However, we live in reality.

You guys are shielding the parents from any blame by raging at the stupid alligators who shouldn't have eaten that poor child.

This would be like an alligator attacking a child, the parents pinning it down so it can't death roll, and the child feeding the alligator it's dirty diapers. You have to be a shill not to recognize the tremendous cost Putin has paid by trying to extend his war past Crimea and Donbass.

 

[AWilder]

Feel like it's been a minute since we had one of these guys take a run at the thread

It's amazing how many free thinkers say the exact same thing

 

[188912345]

This would be like an alligator attacking a child, the parents pinning it down so it can't death roll, and the child feeding the alligator it's dirty diapers. You have to be a shill not to recognize the tremendous cost Putin has paid by trying to extend his war past Crimea and Donbass.

It's more akin to the parents being high out of their minds on opiates and telling their child that it's fine, you can play where you want, alligators can't hurt you.

You have to be a shill not to recognize that there was no way that the NATO-leadership and the Ukrainian regime didn't know that their provocative actions would turn it into a drawn out and bloody conflict with disastrous consequences for Ukraine and Russia, and the relationship between NATO and Russia.

Also, even western European countries outside NATO helped pour gasoline to the fire by sending billions in arms instead of pushing for a diplomatic solution.

Ukraine was peaceful during the old regime and Russias national security interests were safe, as was Ukraines, due to the Budapest Memorandum.

Budapest Memorandum (1994):
Ukraine, the US, UK, and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, which formalized security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for the removal of nuclear weapons from its territory.

There was simply no reason to spend billions to influence Ukraines government to topple the old regime.

There was no reason for Victoria Nuland to be present at the protests in Kiev.

Was the previos regime corrupt? Sure.
But there were no signs that they would be foolish enough to risk sparking a big war, like this regime now.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Aaaand we've come full circle back to Victoria Nuland lol

 

[Strychnine]

 

[LangfordBarrow]

It's more akin to the parents being high out of their minds on opiates and telling their child that it's fine, you can play where you want, alligators can't hurt you.

You have to be a shill not to recognize that there was no way that the NATO-leadership and the Ukrainian regime didn't know that their provocative actions would turn it into a drawn out and bloody conflict with disastrous consequences for Ukraine and Russia, and the relationship between NATO and Russia.

Also, even western European countries outside NATO helped pour gasoline to the fire by sending billions in arms instead of pushing for a diplomatic solution.

Ukraine was peaceful during the old regime and Russias national security interests were safe, as was Ukraines, due to the Budapest Memorandum.

Budapest Memorandum (1994):
Ukraine, the US, UK, and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, which formalized security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for the removal of nuclear weapons from its territory.

There was simply no reason to spend billions to influence Ukraines government to topple the old regime.

There was no reason for Victoria Nuland to be present at the protests in Kiev.

Was the previos regime corrupt? Sure.
But there were no signs that they would be foolish enough to risk sparking a big war, like this regime now.

You know what wasn't safe during the old regime? Ukranian democracy. Look up the Orange Revolution and try to understand that Russia was interfering in Ukrainian elections, even to the point of attempting to assassinate the opposing candidate, so of course Putin had no complaints while his puppet was in power.

 

[188912345]

You know what wasn't safe during the old regime? Ukranian democracy. Look up the Orange Revolution and try to understand that Russia was interfering in Ukrainian elections, even to the point of attempting to assassinate the opposing candidate, so of course Putin had no complaints while his puppet was in power.

It makes a lot more sense for Putin to have a puppet in Ukraine, then for USA to have a puppet in Ukraine.

Likewise, it's safer for the world that Mexico and Canada retains good relations with USA instead of building Russian military bases, that's just common sense.

Ukraines democracy surely is thriving now, with no election or opposition in sight.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

It makes a lot more sense for Putin to have a puppet in Ukraine, then for USA to have a puppet in Ukraine.

Likewise, it's safer for the world that Mexico and Canada retains good relations with USA instead of building Russian military bases, that's just common sense.

Ukraines democracy surely is thriving now, with no election or opposition in sight.

The same old tired excuses that have been posted here the last three years. I'm sure you'd feel differently if it was your own country being invaded.

 

[188912345]

The same old tired excuses that have been posted here the last three years. I'm sure you'd feel differently if it was your own country being invaded.

If it was my country who was invaded I would be furious with my own government for their stupidity in not finding a diplomatic solution.

I would also be pissed at the parties involved who destabilized our country to ultimately lead us to war.

Of course, if I only listened to one source of news my whole life, I would be totally in the dark and unaware of the real reasons behind the conflict.

Then there's a risk I might also have the NPC-opinion that our government/NATO can do no wrong, and it's good vs evil.

I doubt the Ukrainian president is capable of ever winning another election, hence why he banned all the opposition parties and suspended elections, to keep the war going and stay in power.

Don't quote me again and I will let you guys enjoy this thread without the company of any heretics.

Thank you for engaging, at least you had a few arguments, and not only insults and mockery like your buddies.

 

[Limbo Pete]

If it was my country who was invaded I would be furious with my own government for their stupidity in not finding a diplomatic solution.

The only "diplomatic" solution to someone who wants to kill you and take all your stuff is... to fight back. There's no diplomatic problem, let alone a diplomatic solution. It's an imperial war being fought for the continued existence of Ukraine, full stop. Which you and the entire chud brigade know, of course.

 

[188912345]

The only "diplomatic" solution to someone who wants to kill you and take all your stuff is... to fight back. There's no diplomatic problem, let alone a diplomatic solution. It's an imperial war being fought for the continued existence of Ukraine, full stop. Which you and the entire chud brigade know, of course.

No, but that's the message that has to be pushed in the countries that support Ukraines infinity war, and of course in Ukraine.

Any nuance and balance in the reporting would quickly lead to less enthusiasm for war/military recruitment, increased military budgets, less willingness to join NATO, etc.

A simplified, emotional message, that can be regurgitated over and over again.

 

[Limbo Pete]

No, but that's the message that has to be pushed in the countries that support Ukraines infinity war, and of course in Ukraine.

Any nuance and balance in the reporting would quickly lead to less enthusiasm for war/military recruitment, increased military budgets, less willingness to join NATO, etc.

A simplified, emotional message, that can be regurgitated over and over again.

Infinity war? Brosky, Russia could simply stop at literally any moment lmao. Good god almighty the brain worms