International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[188912345]

no uou dont understand, if his country was being invaded he would be mad at his own government for not seeking a diplomatic solution...











plankety plank..

Sigh

 

[188912345]

The one about being a plank?

I didn't call you a Stasi agent. Putin is the Stasi agent.

Stasi agents were the spooks that suppressed dissent in east Germany during soviet occupation.

I'm calling you a self important retard that doesn't know basic shit like Putin being a Stasi agent. Or even knowing what a Stasi agent is.

I'm well aware of what a Stasi-agent is, and that Putin was one.

Nice strawman you cooked up there.

Slightly ironic that the dynamic in this thread is very Eastern Germany, only one opinion allowed.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

And now NATO wants Ukraine.
NATO was also well aware of the high risk for a war when they decided to gaslight the geek into provoking his bully, after overthrowing the sensible government who didn't want a war.

That's why there's a war over it.

To blame it on only one single party is not correct.

Ukraine is subservient to Russia, or to NATO.

This sounds like a relative making excuses for why some guy beat up his girlfriend.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I'm well aware of what a Stasi-agent is, and that Putin was one.

Nice strawman you cooked up there.

Slightly ironic that the dynamic in this thread is very Eastern Germany, only one opinion allowed.

Nobody is deleting your posts. You just seem to have a hard time accepting people that reject your opinion.

 

[188912345]

This sounds like a relative making excuses for why some guy beat up his girlfriend.

I understand how it can sound like that for someone who doesn't know anything about geopolitics.

Logic rules that sphere, not emotions.
Lies, and lies by omission, are used to gaslight the public into the preferred position, when/if you don't have the truth on your side.

 

[188912345]

Nobody is deleting your posts. You just seem to have a hard time accepting people that reject your opinion.

No, but there have been speculation about me being another poster, a bot, a Russian troll, an Eastern European, simply because my opinion differs, which I found strange at first.

Then I remembered that this is how these discussions go in Swedish politics/media as well.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I understand how it can sound like that for someone who doesn't know anything about geopolitics.

Logic rules that sphere, not emotions.
Lies, and lies by omission, are used to gaslight the public into the preferred position, when/if you don't have the truth on your side.

It's a laugh that you think you're an arbiter of truth.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

No, but there have been speculation about me being another poster, a bot, a Russian troll, an Eastern European, simply because my opinion differs, which I found strange at first.

Then I remembered that this is how these discussions go in Swedish politics/media as well.

It's precisely because your opinion doesn't differ. Not an iota from the previous posters that have presented us with Russian propaganda. Take a look in the mirror. Is there no chance you're the one that accepted the gaslighting as truth?

 

[Cid]

I'm well aware of what a Stasi-agent is, and that Putin was one.

Nice strawman you cooked up there.

Slightly ironic that the dynamic in this thread is very Eastern Germany, only one opinion allowed.

Bro why you lying? There's no strawman. You thought I was calling you a Stasi Agent. Here's the quote mate:

Again, I've responded on topic without calling anyone I disagree with a troll or a bot, a CIA/Stasi-agent, etc.

At least be honest with yourself bro. You can lie to us all you want. Lying to yourself is just sad.

 

[188912345]

Bro why you lying? There's no strawman. You thought I was calling you a Stasi Agent. Here's the quote mate:

Strawman was you saying that I'm retarded and don't know what a Stasi-agent was.

This quote was about me not focusing on calling other people bots or agents, nowhere in that quote did I say that you called me a Stasi-agent.

I can't really keep up with exactly who has been calling me what, in this thread.

 

[Cid]

Strawman was you saying that I'm retarded and don't know what a Stasi-agent was.

This quote was about me not focusing on calling other people bots or agents, nowhere in that quote did I say that you called me a Stasi-agent.

I can't really keep up with exactly who has been calling me what, in this thread.

It pretty clearly does. The quote was about you not calling people stuff and other people calling you stuff.

Including Stasi Agent.

Don't get me wrong I think you're dumb as rocks but you're not so dumb that you don't understand what you're inferring.


So if you know what a Stasi Agent is why are you regurgitating the "reality" of a guy who was suppressing democracies for a living when you were sucking on your mother tit?

 

[188912345]

It's precisely because your opinion doesn't differ. Not an iota from the previous posters that have presented us with Russian propaganda. Take a look in the mirror. Is there no chance you're the one that accepted the gaslighting as truth?

I spent a lot of time researching this conflict back in 2014, then on/off during and after the invasion 2022.

My prediction in 2014, that this would be a long conflict, due to eastern Ukraine (including Crimea) being very strategically important for Russia, and also very important for Ukraine/NATO, proved to be correct.

I also knew that most of Eastern Ukraine were more loyal to Russia than EU/NATO, which would be a problem for a new puppet regime.

It was also very obvious that USA was deeply involved, you had war mongerer number one John McCain holding speeches during the protests, for God's sake.

And you had Victoria Nuland bragging about USA spending $5 billion to promote "democracy" in Ukraine.

Senator John McCain on Sunday told thousands of Ukrainian protesters camped on Kiev's main square that Ukraine's destiny lay in Europe and that it would make Europe better.

"Ukraine will make Europe better and Europe will make Ukraine better," he said to crowds protesting against President Viktor Yanukovich's U-turn in trade policy away from Europe towards Russia.

"We are here to support your just cause, the sovereign right of Ukraine to determine its own destiny freely and independently. And the destiny you seek lies in Europe," said McCain, a leading Republican voice on US foreign policy."

Just picture the scene if a Russian politician held a speech like that in Canada or Mexico during riots, and how your government would react.

I listened to more than one source, and cross-checked what all agreed on, and what people disagreed on, and what kind of news each side highlighted, and saw a very incomplete/dishonest picture of the conflict through the Swedish media.

I read and listened to journalists and politicians from all sides (NATO/Ukraine/Russia/Sweden, etc.)

 

[AWilder]

Ukraine would have surrendered and entered negotiatons within a week if the whole Europe and NATO didn't tell them to keep fighting, we will send you everything you need.

And Russia didn't have to invade their country. What diplomatic overtures did Russia make prior to invading?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Strawman was you saying that I'm retarded and don't know what a Stasi-agent was.

This quote was about me not focusing on calling other people bots or agents, nowhere in that quote did I say that you called me a Stasi-agent.

I can't really keep up with exactly who has been calling me what, in this thread.

It's because it's been like clockwork for the last 3+ years here that a russian propagandist leaves another takes over right after with the exact same few talking points that you have used that nobody buys as legit or a reason for Russia to invade. Before this war started I had no idea just how bad Russian propaganda and troll farms work to brainwash people to convince them of the Russian narrative.

 

[AWilder]

I spent a lot of time researching this conflict back in 2014, then on/off during and after the invasion 2022.

Lmao, lies. This is literally Russian bpt copy pasta. All your posts we've heard before. You're just repeating Kremlin talking points over and over.

 

[Cid]

Sucks sitting here with only John Mearsheimer left on my card.

How has nobody yelled Bingo yet?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

And Russia didn't have to invade their country. What diplomatic overtures did Russia make prior to invading?

Those simple facts seem to get left out by the comrades.

 

[188912345]

It pretty clearly does. The quote was about you not calling people stuff and other people calling you stuff.

Including Stasi Agent.

Don't get me wrong I think you're dumb as rocks but you're not so dumb that you don't understand what you're inferring.


So if you know what a Stasi Agent is why are you regurgitating the "reality" of a guy who was suppressing democracies for a living when you were sucking on your mother tit?

Did you not notice that I wrote CIA-agent before Stasi-agent?
And nobody called me a CIA-agent, and I didn't call anyone a CIA-agent, either.

I could have just as easily wrote FSB-agent or whatever, since the point was that I tried not to engage in name calling or being rude for no reason.

Because I care about the facts of the situation, I don't like being told a simplistic and false background to the conflict when I know, from following the conflict for years, that there is more to it than we're being told by the mainstream media and our politicians in Western Europe and USA.

 

[DEVILsSON]

I spent a lot of time researching this conflict back in 2014, then on/off during and after the invasion 2022.

My prediction in 2014, that this would be a long conflict, due to eastern Ukraine (including Crimea) being very strategically important for Russia, and also very important for Ukraine/NATO, proved to be correct.

I also knew that most of Eastern Ukraine were more loyal to Russia than EU/NATO, which would be a problem for a new puppet regime.

It was also very obvious that USA was deeply involved, you had war mongerer number one John McCain holding speeches during the protests, for God's sake.

And you had Victoria Nuland bragging about USA spending $5 billion to promote "democracy" in Ukraine.

Senator John McCain on Sunday told thousands of Ukrainian protesters camped on Kiev's main square that Ukraine's destiny lay in Europe and that it would make Europe better.

"Ukraine will make Europe better and Europe will make Ukraine better," he said to crowds protesting against President Viktor Yanukovich's U-turn in trade policy away from Europe towards Russia.

"We are here to support your just cause, the sovereign right of Ukraine to determine its own destiny freely and independently. And the destiny you seek lies in Europe," said McCain, a leading Republican voice on US foreign policy."

Just picture the scene if a Russian politician held a speech like that in Canada or Mexico during riots, and how your government would react.

I listened to more than one source, and cross-checked what all agreed on, and what people disagreed on, and what kind of news each side highlighted, and saw a very incomplete/dishonest picture of the conflict through the Swedish media.

I read and listened to journalists and politicians from all sides (NATO/Ukraine/Russia/Sweden, etc.)

and yet your account is 2023 and there's zero evidence of you ever making any predictions about this war.....unless of course you want to admit this is your alt and tell us your prior account...in which case it's a lose/lose proposition...

Just like I can tell you last week's lottery numbers...

 

[188912345]

Lmao, lies. This is literally Russian bpt copy pasta. All your posts we've heard before. You're just repeating Kremlin talking points over and over.

I love the paranoia, lol.

Imagine being on the side of John McCain in a conflict in a bordering country to Russia and thinking you're in the right.