International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

Regular Patriot battery doesn't have 16 launchers...usually 8, however might be 6 .

16 launchers is possible to operate but it isn't casual practice...
We also don't know what kind of radar soft for them Ukr does have....and number of missiles provided for Ukr...

 

[SandisLL]

BTW propaganda and clickbaits are annoying boring stuff.
bloggers etc lurking for clicks and $..gubbermints for propaganda, different kinds of parasites etc.

Ukr counting supposedly died today russians numbers : boring ....
Pro rus posting bullshit and often crappy " videos "... bla bla bla ...

In reality russia still is fighting for dirt in donestk oblastj like 3 years ago.
Putin ofc will continue.

Wunderwaffes looks that can't prevent zelonka qne putyn to walk around like nothing had happened....

Putin definitely wants continue cos is confident that will keep all land he will manage to grab.

 

[Strychnine]

@Strychnine
I'm waiting. What Russian territorial expansion beyond Ukraine?
You said Europe, but then took that back, so, I don't know what you are talking about.

Has Russia taken all of Ukraine?

 

[Strychnine]

 

[Rational Poster]

Regular Patriot battery doesn't have 16 launchers...usually 8, however might be 6 .

16 launchers is possible to operate but it isn't casual practice...
We also don't know what kind of radar soft for them Ukr does have....and number of missiles provided for Ukr...

Israel has more patriot launchers for their country and it's smaller than New Jersey. Israel has 30-40 patriot launchers, Ukraine has 6.

 

[San Marino]

They failed to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan.

That was never the US goal.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

That was never the US goal.

The goal was to install a government and support it as long as they needed to which is effectively occupation.

 

[San Marino]

Has Russia taken all of Ukraine?

Not the subject.
You were talking about Russian aspirations to invade other countries other than Ukraine.

 

[San Marino]

The goal was to install a government and support it as long as they needed to which is effectively occupation.

No, it was never to support for as long as they needed it. There was a time limit to the 'experiment.'
Had the US occupied Iraq and Afghanistan permanently, both countries would be speaking English right now.
Again, we (US) won 93% of all battles but lost the war. Long term planning and an exit strategy has been a problem for the US military since Vietnam. Different administrations want to do different things. Just look at Biden and Trump in Ukraine.

 

[San Marino]

Russia prepares for multi-pronged offensive, adding 15 Divisions in 2025​

MSN

 

[Strychnine]

Not the subject.
You were talking about Russian aspirations to invade other countries other than Ukraine.

Well, they'll have to take Ukraine first.

Come on man.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[Strychnine]

 

[SandisLL]

Israel has more patriot launchers for their country and it's smaller than New Jersey. Israel has 30-40 patriot launchers, Ukraine has 6.

I had meant number of launchers for 1 battery... battery is radar+ KP+CP+launchers plus transport trucks etc.

So if they had 40 launchers then most likely this is at least 5 batteries.
For Israel it is normal, they does have also this Barak and David's ling, Arrow and these Iron Dome...

 

[SandisLL]

Some thinks that sanctions on russia might be effective if they will be improved.

Trump soon will get that Putin will not stop.
Ofc Trump does wants to reach ceasefire in Ukr and then doesn't makes sense how long might be these ....lol, peace talks.

Trump should do something.
Looks that they might attempt the same...old stuff with sanctions...

 

[Rational Poster]

I had meant number of launchers for 1 battery... battery is radar+ KP+CP+launchers plus transport trucks etc.

So if they had 40 launchers then most likely this is at least 5 batteries.
For Israel it is normal, they does have also this Barak and David's ling, Arrow and these Iron Dome...

I just meant that, the amount provided to Ukraine is nowhere near an adequate number for the territory they have to defend.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Total fucking bullshit. Ukraine can't even shoot down a single one of the older Kh-22 missiles which aren't even hypersonic.

Evading NASAMS & Patriots, Russian Kh-22 Missile Emerges 'Undefeatable' Weapon In Ukraine War, Kyiv Admits

In the aftermath of a significant onslaught targeting cities throughout Ukraine, Air Force spokesperson Yuriy Ihnat disclosed that the country’s air defense units were unable to thwart any of the Kh-22 supersonic cruise missiles launched during the attack. 22,000 Drones In 2023! Russian Military...

www.eurasiantimes.com

He added that the Kh-22 missile, traveling at a speed of 4,000 km/h and primarily using a ballistic trajectory, requires unique means for the interception, including Patriot air defense systems.

Kyiv is already operating Patriot air defense systems; however, the spokesperson did not explain why this defense system has failed to intercept the Russian missile in question.

Back in August, Ihnat had acknowledged that Ukrainian air defenses were ill-equipped to counter Russia’s Kh-22 missiles and admitted the inability to down a single missile of this type by that point.

Since the commencement of the full-scale invasion, Russian forces have launched roughly 300 Kh-22 missiles at Ukraine. Notably, none of these missiles were intercepted by air defense systems.

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They're 0 for 300 vs. an older missile that's going at around half the speed of a Khinzal and you think they can somehow shoot down the latest hypersonics? That's like some dork who can't even hit a single pitch off a middle school kid claiming that he can bat .500 off of a MLB pitcher. I know you're a fucking idiot, but I didn't think you were this retarded.

I have posted multiple articles and videos for proof that Patriots did in fact intercept and shoot down multiple hypersonic Kinzhals, if you want to dig your head in the sand and use some questionable sources then that's your prerogative. I make it a rule not to argue with morons. You are clearly a Russian sympathizer or bot along with SpinMarino.

Oh, not going to deny that Patriots got destroyed during the conflict, but isn't your point that Russia's latest stuff is supposed to be unstoppable and the West has nothing to counter it?

I'm not saying Russia only produces shit quality military equipment (to be fair, they do, alot).
They have some decent stuff aswell.
But your fanboy-ish view of them is a bit childish imo.

"Nato has nothing to stop the Russian navy!"
Meanwhile in the real world the Black Sea fleet got fucked up so bad they hardly leave port, their "aircraft carrier" pretty much sunk itself and they had to appeal to the West to intervene otherwise their Crimean Bridge would've been destroyed (again).

They have a few qualities and abilities, but you're hyping yourself up a bit.

He's just an idiot who should be ignored at this point. Russia is such a mighty country with such unstoppable weapons that they are out of tanks, sending their troops to the front on crutches and wheelchairs and arresting their scientists for their best 'unstoppable' missile for treason after they got repeatedly shot down. He's not a serious person.

 

[aerius]

I have posted multiple articles and videos for proof that Patriots did in fact intercept and shoot down multiple hypersonic Kinzhals, if you want to dig your head in the sand and use some questionable sources then that's your prerogative. I make it a rule not to argue with morons. You are clearly a Russian sympathizer or bot along with SpinMarino.

Yeah. From the same sources which claimed that Putin died from cancer and was replaced by body doubles, or that General Gerasimov was killed in 5 different locations. You'll believe anything which claims Ukraine good, Russia bad.

 

[Rholk]

Kiel Institute report, page 25

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/fileadmin/Dateiverwaltung/IfW-Publications/fis-import/1f9c7f5f-15d2-45c4-8b85-9bb550cd449d-Kiel_Report_no1.pdf

Sample interception rates for commonly used Russian missiles in 2024: 50% for the older Kalibr sub-
sonic cruise missiles, 22% for modern subsonic cruise missiles (e.g. Kh-69), 4% for modern ballistic mis-
siles (e.g. Iskander-M), 0.6% for S-300/400 supersonic long-range SAM, and 0.55% for the Kh-22 super-
sonic anti-ship missile. Data on interception rates of hypersonic missiles is scarce: Ukraine claims a 25%
interception rate for hypersonic Kinzhal and Zircon missiles, but Ukrainian sources also indicate such
interceptions require salvo firing all 32 launchers in a US-style Patriot battery to have any chance to
shoot down a single hypersonic missile. By comparison, German Patriot batteries have 16 launchers,
and Germany has 72 launchers in total.

4% chance of intercepting an Iskander, 0.55% for Kh-22. 25% chance of intercepting a Kinzhal if all 32 launchers in a Patriot battery are fired at it. That's pretty much zero. As I said, Western air defence systems are effectively useless against modern Russian missiles.

It's a bit over a misreading of the numbers though, which is why your oversimplified conclusion is also a bit off.
(Again i understand you're trying to read things your way)

For example what this says is that 4% of total Iskanders launched at Ukraine get intercepted by air defense.

What that doesn't take into account is how many Iskanders are even launched into a zone covered by air defense, or how many actually get engaged by air defense, or by how many missiles.
(Your own failed attempt to misunderstand the numbers here is shown by "25% chance of intercepting a Kinzhal if all 32 launchers in a Patriot battery are fired at it.".
I'll give you a minute to figure it out again).

In other words, it does little to actually back up your claim that "western air defenses are useless against Russian missiles".
It more so exemplifies that despite having air defense systems, Ukraine as a whole lacks air defense to defend against all threats.
Lack of systems to cover all of it is most likely a bit more of a reason, as is the limited supply of munitions.

 

[Rholk]

Yeah. From the same sources which claimed that Putin died from cancer and was replaced by body doubles, or that General Gerasimov was killed in 5 different locations. You'll believe anything which claims Ukraine good, Russia bad.

Kiev in 3 days bro,
They're getting there!