International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[aerius]

Kiev in 3 days bro,
They're getting there!

Kiev in 3 days was stated by General Miley you retarded dildo.

Gen. Milley says Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if Russia decides to invade Ukraine: sources

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley told lawmakers that Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine took place, multiple congressional sources tell Fox News.

www.foxnews.com

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley told lawmakers that Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine takes place, multiple congressional sources tell Fox News.

 

[aerius]

It's a bit over a misreading of the numbers though, which is why your oversimplified conclusion is also a bit off.
(Again i understand you're trying to read things your way)

For example what this says is that 4% of total Iskanders launched at Ukraine get intercepted by air defense.

What that doesn't take into account is how many Iskanders are even launched into a zone covered by air defense, or how many actually get engaged by air defense, or by how many missiles.
(Your own failed attempt to misunderstand the numbers here is shown by "25% chance of intercepting a Kinzhal if all 32 launchers in a Patriot battery are fired at it.".
I'll give you a minute to figure it out again).

In other words, it does little to actually back up your claim that "western air defenses are useless against Russian missiles".
It more so exemplifies that despite having air defense systems, Ukraine as a whole lacks air defense to defend against all threats.
Lack of systems to cover all of it is most likely a bit more of a reason, as is the limited supply of munitions.

Cry and cope some more.

 

[Rholk]

Cry and cope some more.

If i knew it would upset you this much, i wouldn't have said it man

Russian world domination it is!
Soviets kick ass bro!, surely they'll rule the world any day now, if they could only get past that pesky Ukranian border

 

[Badr Hari]

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

It's a bit over a misreading of the numbers though, which is why your oversimplified conclusion is also a bit off.
(Again i understand you're trying to read things your way)

For example what this says is that 4% of total Iskanders launched at Ukraine get intercepted by air defense.

What that doesn't take into account is how many Iskanders are even launched into a zone covered by air defense, or how many actually get engaged by air defense, or by how many missiles.
(Your own failed attempt to misunderstand the numbers here is shown by "25% chance of intercepting a Kinzhal if all 32 launchers in a Patriot battery are fired at it.".
I'll give you a minute to figure it out again).

In other words, it does little to actually back up your claim that "western air defenses are useless against Russian missiles".
It more so exemplifies that despite having air defense systems, Ukraine as a whole lacks air defense to defend against all threats.
Lack of systems to cover all of it is most likely a bit more of a reason, as is the limited supply of munitions.

He knows he's just a Russian sympathizer and spreader of Russian disinformation/misinformation.

Ukrainian air defense also has to protect civilian areas which Russia targets to occupy air defense from defending military targets or itself. If Ukraine started targeting Moscow, Leningrad, etc every day their air defenses would be beyond useless as well and they have far more of them. They are not as good as even the Patriots but S300, S400, and a couple S500 would get easily overwhelmed just as well.

Patriots that Ukraine got are 40 years old. Here's S500 that Russia has which is its newest generation and it got destroyed just as well... womp womp womp...I am sure Aerius numbnuts will deny it as well..


ATACAMS > S500

ATACMS struck Russia's newest S-500 "'Prometheus" SAM system—reports

Moscow media says the S-500 is a new generation of anti-aircraft missile systems for destroying ballistic and aerodynamic targets.

www.newsweek.com

Ukraine Appears To Have Destroyed Its First Russian S-350 Air Defense System

A Ukrainian reconnaissance brigade has released a video showing the destruction of one of Russia’s prized S-350 Vityaz air defense systems in the Donetsk region. A Ukrainian reconnaissance brigade has released a video showing the destruction of one of Russia’s prized S-350 Vityaz air defense...

www.twz.com

How could Ukraine destroy Russia's newly installed S-500 Triumfator-M air defense system in Crimea?

How could Ukraine destroy Russia's newly deployed S-500 Triumfator-M air defense system in Crimea?

armyrecognition.com

Major Humiliation For Putin, Ukraine’s ATACMS Strikes Destroyed Russia’s Newest S-500 Prometey Surface-to-air Missile

Ukraine’s forces may have struck Russia’s newest S-500 air defense system using U.S.-supplied ATACMS (Army Tactical Missile System) missiles, according to Ukraine’s intelligence H…

www.globaldefensecorp.com

 

[aerius]

He knows he's just a Russian sympathizer and spreader of Russian disinformation/misinformation.

Ukrainian air defense also has to protect civilian areas which Russia targets to occupy air defense from defending military targets or itself. If Ukraine started targeting Moscow, Leningrad, etc every day their air defenses would be beyond useless as well and they have far more of them. They are not as good as even the Patriots but S300, S400, and a couple S500 would get easily overwhelmed just as well.

Patriots that Ukraine got are 40 years old. Here's S500 that Russia has which is its newest generation and it got destroyed just as well... womp womp womp...I am sure Aerius numbnuts will deny it as well..


ATACAMS > S500

ATACMS struck Russia's newest S-500 "'Prometheus" SAM system—reports

Moscow media says the S-500 is a new generation of anti-aircraft missile systems for destroying ballistic and aerodynamic targets.

www.newsweek.com

Ukraine Appears To Have Destroyed Its First Russian S-350 Air Defense System

A Ukrainian reconnaissance brigade has released a video showing the destruction of one of Russia’s prized S-350 Vityaz air defense systems in the Donetsk region. A Ukrainian reconnaissance brigade has released a video showing the destruction of one of Russia’s prized S-350 Vityaz air defense...

www.twz.com

How could Ukraine destroy Russia's newly installed S-500 Triumfator-M air defense system in Crimea?

How could Ukraine destroy Russia's newly deployed S-500 Triumfator-M air defense system in Crimea?

armyrecognition.com

Major Humiliation For Putin, Ukraine’s ATACMS Strikes Destroyed Russia’s Newest S-500 Prometey Surface-to-air Missile

Ukraine’s forces may have struck Russia’s newest S-500 air defense system using U.S.-supplied ATACMS (Army Tactical Missile System) missiles, according to Ukraine’s intelligence H…

www.globaldefensecorp.com

So the source for all the above is some random Telegram channel and the Kyiv Independent. That's about as trustworthy as the Russian Ministry of Defence.

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[Strychnine]

Ukraine turns an 18-foot watercraft into a drone carrier. Crazy innovation!

 

[San Marino]

I make it a rule not to argue with morons.

Well, you have broken that rule time and time again.

You are clearly a Russian sympathizer or bot along with SpinMarino.

Not a bot or sympathizer. I really don't give two-shits about Ukraine either way.

Since 98% of folks in this thread decided to support Ukraine, I decided to lean towards Russia as it makes it the harder argument. Plus, someone has to tell the 'true' Russian story in this conflict. Tired of hearing the false narrative of how well Ukraine is doing in this conflict. Ukraine did do well in 2022. That was round 1 and 2. They are now getting their asses kicked by the Russians, but the media won't admit to that (like Joe Biden). Those hidden casualty numbers.

I just posted about Russia preparing for a multi-pronged offensive with 15 Army Divisions. That is insane! Do you know how big 1 Army Division is? Let us use the U.S. Army's 82nd Airborne Division as an example. Now multiply that by 15. There is absolutely no way Ukraine can defend against that or come out on top. Like I said before, Russia is in it for the duration, and it has the manpower to do it. Ukraine does not. If Zelensky wants to end the lives of every man and woman in Ukraine, go right ahead, but I don't think Ukrainians will let him do that. He will be killed long before that happens and someone else, with better common sense, will take his place. 15 additional Russian Army Divisions, heck, this conflict will be over by the end of this year. Any aid from Europe or the US that is not in soldiers will not count for shit.

 

[San Marino]

Ukrainian air defense also has to protect civilian areas which Russia targets to occupy air defense from defending military targets or itself. If Ukraine started targeting Moscow, Leningrad, etc every day their air defenses would be beyond useless as well and they have far more of them.

You have not answered my question. How many Russian missiles were not destroyed by U.S. Patriot batteries?
Why doesn't Ukraine drop a few Neptune missile in Moscow and St. Petersburg? By the way, Leningrad has stopped existing since 1991. It is now called St. Petersburg. Shows how smart you are.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

You have not answered my question. How many Russian missiles were not destroyed by U.S. Patriot batteries?
Why doesn't Ukraine drop a few Neptune missile in Moscow and St. Petersburg? By the way, Leningrad has stopped existing since 1991. It is now called St. Petersburg. Shows how smart you are.

Who the hell knows, Ukraine doesn't have nearly enough air defense systems so that's non sequitur which you know damn well.

Why doesn't Ukraine bomb civilian areas in Moscow and elsewhere? Are you such a complete psychopath or retard that you don't know the answer to that?

My grandfather fought in the great patriotic war so I'll call the city by whatever name I fucking choose. Everyone knows these two names are synonymous. Try harder.

 

[San Marino]

Those pesky Ukranian drones. Not a single casualty. Broken windows, damaged cars, fires. Yeah, that does nothing to win Ukraine points in this conflict. Why doesn't Ukraine drop a Neptune missile in Moscow?

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Well, you have broken that rule time and time again.

Not a bot or sympathizer. I really don't give two-shits about Ukraine either way.

Since 98% of folks in this thread decided to support Ukraine, I decided to lean towards Russia as it makes it the harder argument. Plus, someone has to tell the 'true' Russian story in this conflict. Tired of hearing the false narrative of how well Ukraine is doing in this conflict. Ukraine did do well in 2022. That was round 1 and 2. They are now getting their asses kicked by the Russians, but the media won't admit to that (like Joe Biden). Those hidden casualty numbers.

I just posted about Russia preparing for a multi-pronged offensive with 15 Army Divisions. That is insane! Do you know how big 1 Army Division is? Let us use the U.S. Army's 82nd Airborne Division as an example. Now multiply that by 15. There is absolutely no way Ukraine can defend against that or come out on top. Like I said before, Russia is in it for the duration, and it has the manpower to do it. Ukraine does not. If Zelensky wants to end the lives of every man and woman in Ukraine, go right ahead, but I don't think Ukrainians will let him do that. He will be killed long before that happens and someone else, with better common sense, will take his place. 15 additional Russian Army Divisions, heck, this conflict will be over by the end of this year. Any aid from Europe or the US that is not in soldiers will not count for shit.

Ugh you got me. Like a fly to the flame with your moronic posts.

I'll play along.

Ukraine has taken back in Kharkiv and Kherson. Russia has done nothing to speak of and has lost their momentum on Pokrovsk and is no longer likely to capture it.

Ahh yes any day now the real Russia will show up. Ukrainians have done what Russians have done all along the front lines. There are no longer places where Ukrainians are planting flowers or some similar bullshit. There are trenches, dragon teeth, etc. Russia has near ZERO tank/armor left. Russia will not send whatever few of T90s they have. Russia is sending their forces in civilian cars, scooters, etc. You have to be willfully dumb to still think Russia will do something.

No one is buying the narrative. Even with brief help from Trump in Kursk, Russia still has not captured it back and instead started losing in Belgorod. Russia tried to blow up a damn in Belgorod and failed. LOL...

So yea keep telling us how Russians will win any day now.

So far Russians just did their usual spring conscription. So unless Putin suddenly decides on main mobilization nothing will change. I will only predict that more Russians will die.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Those pesky Ukranian drones. Not a single casualty. Broken windows, damaged cars, fires. Yeah, that does nothing to win Ukraine points in this conflict. Why doesn't Ukraine drop a Neptune missile in Moscow?

So I asked a rhetorical question and you've decided to go with 'retarded' ....It's a bold strategy Cotton....

 

[San Marino]

Who the hell knows, Ukraine doesn't have nearly enough air defense systems so that's non sequitur which you know damn well.

Oh, please!
You just posted a half dozen videos of Ukranian air defense systems taking down Russian missiles. How does Ukraine not have enough air defense systems? What is the EU and the US shipping them? The answer is roughly 15% to 25% of Russian missiles are getting through Ukrainian defenses -- some are even sub-sonic.

Why doesn't Ukraine bomb civilian areas in Moscow and elsewhere? Are you such a complete psychopath or retard that you don't know the answer to that?

No, not civilian areas, the Kremlin would do just fine. It may even take Putin out in one of those strikes.
Russia is killing civilians, the US and Great Britain killed thousands of civilians towards the end of WWII (men, women, and children). The list of cities is quite long both in Germany and Japan. If the US can do it, so can Ukraine. Maybe it will bring Putin to the table and an end to this conflict.

My grandfather fought in the great patriotic war so I'll call the city by whatever name I fucking choose. Everyone knows these two names are synonymous. Try harder.

The name of the city is St. Petersburg. Calling it what you want does not make it true now does it? Kind of like your arguments.
A salute to grandpa. You should have followed his example.
The "Great Patriotic War?" Oh mate, you just gave it away. Only Russians and some former Soviet republics refer to WWII by that name. It is irrelevant to our discussion. So, why are you not supporting Russia in this conflict?

 

[San Marino]

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[Strychnine]

Those pesky Ukranian drones. Not a single casualty. Broken windows, damaged cars, fires. Yeah, that does nothing to win Ukraine points in this conflict. Why doesn't Ukraine drop a Neptune missile in Moscow?

Because they care about civilian casualties. Russia sure as heck doesn't.

 

[San Marino]

Because they care about civilian casualties. Russia sure as heck doesn't.

Russia is killing civilians, the US and Great Britain killed thousands of civilians towards the end of WWII (men, women, and children). The list of cities is quite long both in Germany and Japan. If the US can do it, so can Ukraine. Maybe it will bring Putin to the table and an end to this conflict.

 

[San Marino]