International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

US air defence is highly over-rated. The Iranians landed over 30 hits on an Israeli airbase even though the US had an entire carrier battle group with Aegis ships parked off the coast to reinforce Israel's Iron Dome system.

Aegis and the SM-series missiles are the best air defence system that the US has, and the Iranians still got through both it and the Iron Dome. Russian missiles are a couple generations ahead of what the Iranians have, the US has no chance in hell of stopping Zircon or Oreshnik.

As for hitting Russian airbases, the problem is NATO doesn't really have any long range missiles other than the Tomahawk. The Crimean peninsula and some of the bases in the Black Sea region could be hit with HIMARS, everything else will require Tomahawks. Then there's getting though Russian air defence systems, they currently have around a 80-90% shoot down rate vs. ATACMS and Storm Shadow missiles, that rate will be even higher against Tomahawks since they don't have the stealth features of the Storm Shadows or the speed of the ATACMS. And finally, all Russian planes have rough field capability so even if the airbases are shot up they can still fly off of highways and even dirt roads like the Ukrainians have been doing for the past couple years.

Like the unstoppable supersonic Wunderwaffe Kinzhal missiles that Ukrainians shot down with 40 year old Patriot system?

Let me refresh your memory...





 
Like the unstoppable supersonic Wunderwaffe Kinzhal missiles that Ukrainians shot down with 40 year old Patriot system?
The missile is neither unstoppable nor supersonic. Nice try.

This analysis of the Kinzhal also takes issue with the weapon itself. Multiple problems are identified. The Kinzhal is criticized in this Chinese assessment as outdated 1980s Cold War technology that is not genuinely hypersonic in nature. Due to features of the Kinzhal's design, “its ability to perform long-distance gliding in the atmosphere falls short.” Analyzing its maneuverability, the Chinese analyst observes, “The degree to which it can change its ballistic trajectory cannot be compared with that of a real hypersonic missile, and it seriously lacks the ability to maneuver laterally. -- The author concludes that the Kinzhal's shortcomings make it vulnerable. “Most of its ballistic trajectory is pinched off at the junction of the stratosphere and the mesosphere at 50 kilometers. Therefore, in theory, it can still be intercepted by advanced anti-missile systems currently in service.”

China Evaluates Russia's Use of Hypersonic 'Daggers' in the Ukraine War​

 
The missile is neither unstoppable nor supersonic. Nice try.

This analysis of the Kinzhal also takes issue with the weapon itself. Multiple problems are identified. The Kinzhal is criticized in this Chinese assessment as outdated 1980s Cold War technology that is not genuinely hypersonic in nature. Due to features of the Kinzhal's design, “its ability to perform long-distance gliding in the atmosphere falls short.” Analyzing its maneuverability, the Chinese analyst observes, “The degree to which it can change its ballistic trajectory cannot be compared with that of a real hypersonic missile, and it seriously lacks the ability to maneuver laterally. -- The author concludes that the Kinzhal's shortcomings make it vulnerable. “Most of its ballistic trajectory is pinched off at the junction of the stratosphere and the mesosphere at 50 kilometers. Therefore, in theory, it can still be intercepted by advanced anti-missile systems currently in service.”

China Evaluates Russia's Use of Hypersonic 'Daggers' in the Ukraine War​



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The Kh-47M2 Kinzhal (Russian: Х-47М2 Кинжал, IPA: [kʲɪn'ʐaɫ], lit. 'Dagger'; NATO reporting name: AS-24 Killjoy) is a Russian hypersonic air-launched ballistic missile.[4][5] It has an estimated range of 460–480 km (290–300 mi)[6] and a reported top speed of Mach 10.
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These missiles getting shot down was such a huge slap in the face to the Russians, Putin had the scientists behind the missiles arrested. But you keep telling us they weren't hypersonic.



Time to spin some new tale...
 
These missiles getting shot down was such a huge slap in the face to the Russians, Putin had the scientists behind the missiles arrested. But you keep telling us they weren't hypersonic.
As I recall, there were hundreds of Russian missiles that have hit Ukraine. Some not even hypersonic. While many ballistic missiles reach hypersonic speeds during their flight, they are not typically classified as 'hypersonic weapons' unless they can maneuver within the atmosphere. How many Russian missiles did Patriot systems in Ukraine miss?
 
Yeah, we Americans did not win in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. We won a lot of battles but lost 3 wars.

They failed to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan. In terms of an invasion it was quick and ruthlessly efficient. It's just much harder to hold places against guerilla attacks as I'm sure Russia would find out if they took over Ukraine.
 
Seems like things are a little too quiet
No. Russia is keeping push where they are able and will continue. Anglo saxonoans are their friends. Nothinhg wrong, just business and nothing personal.

Russia is accumulating drones and missiles stockpiles, talking with their friends in west and keep pushing and why not, friends will allow with smile....
 
They failed to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan. In terms of an invasion it was quick and ruthlessly efficient. It's just much harder to hold places against guerilla attacks as I'm sure Russia would find out if they took over Ukraine.
You are exagrregating effect from guerilla war in modern days and had forget that ukr for americans will not be with mindset like unlucky kurds had.

A lot of ukrainans had get that for west they are peace of meat. Like for russia too.
Better if meat peaces will live in dreams....

You also had failed to mention that Russian idols for you had been supported by Ukraine for Korea war and war in Vietnam...also your Kremlin had used in Afganistan ukr MIC production ! and meat🥩 in form of at least 160 000 mandatory military service conscripts. During 1979-1989 and then 1979-1988 USSR had been financially and economically supported by all warshaw block.

I do know that you excuse russian nationism and chauvinism with pleasure.

You maybe will be happy to see approx 350 000 ukr vs Finland like in 1939 th with smile.

There is Moldova and Romania too.
Ukr might be usable to turn as 🥩 grinder.
West loves Putin and . It is real life.
Lesser ppl walking around, more oxygen to breath.
 
You are exagrregating effect from guerilla war in modern days and had forget that ukr for americans will not be with mindset like unlucky kurds had.

A lot of ukrainans had get that for west they are peace of meat. Like for russia too.
Better if meat peaces will live in dreams....

You also had failed to mention that Russian idols for you had been supported by Ukraine for Korea war and war in Vietnam...also your Kremlin had used in Afganistan ukr MIC production ! and meat🥩 in form of at least 160 000 mandatory military service conscripts. During 1979-1989 and then 1979-1988 USSR had been financially and economically supported by all warshaw block.

I do know that you excuse russian nationism and chauvinism with pleasure.

You maybe will be happy to see approx 350 000 ukr vs Finland like in 1939 th with smile.

There is Moldova and Romania too.
Ukr might be usable to turn as 🥩 grinder.
West loves Putin and . It is real life.
Lesser ppl walking around, more oxygen to breath.

Where on earth did you get any pro Russia sentiment from what I said?
 
Then there number of Ukr origin ppl worldwide is quite impressive.
A lot of them does have not Ukr but another citizenship.

Usually they are mercantile and in most cases didn't had supported any ukr government.
Mainly because unemployment % and inflation, frequent reforms and populism, low salaries and empty proises.

Now after invasion 2022 th they had started to hate russians and ther 0 laws and situation in Ukr will help.
They will teach kids and their kids will teach their kids that russians are POS and chauvinists living in dreams and anglo saxonians are money and comfort hungry liars and russian friends....ready to sell everything ...it is real life....0 money hungry boys with social networks will prevent this to happen. Cope.

BTW some from excuses since 1990 ies wordlwide is " it is just business and nothing personal ". Often told when you do shit vs someone you had shaked hands with yesterday after friendly atmosphere in restaurant etc.
$ and meat🥩on the table today is real God and real country and real ideology. ....

Cope. Dream.
 
Russian air defenses maybe does have 80% chance to shot down Gorbachev era Thocka U missile.
This.

ATACMS old 165 km range version is smaller and speed is higher.
This real life.

Tocka U btw does have option to use quasi ballistic trajectory... in some part of road.
 
Storm Shadow and Scalp export versions are 4.5 gen cruise missiles.

They are using them when does have target and obiviously together with cheap drones and decoy missiles etc...

Stealth claims are not panacea.
To down these even Igla might be usable, like with other russian missiles. If they does know where missile might be.
Tomahawk Ukr will not get....
Not export versions of Storm Shadow and Sacalp too no.
These too aren't panacea but should have longer range and better counter measures....
At least this.
 
Like the unstoppable supersonic Wunderwaffe Kinzhal missiles that Ukrainians shot down with 40 year old Patriot system?

Let me refresh your memory...







Total fucking bullshit. Ukraine can't even shoot down a single one of the older Kh-22 missiles which aren't even hypersonic.
He added that the Kh-22 missile, traveling at a speed of 4,000 km/h and primarily using a ballistic trajectory, requires unique means for the interception, including Patriot air defense systems.

Kyiv is already operating Patriot air defense systems; however, the spokesperson did not explain why this defense system has failed to intercept the Russian missile in question.

Back in August, Ihnat had acknowledged that Ukrainian air defenses were ill-equipped to counter Russia’s Kh-22 missiles and admitted the inability to down a single missile of this type by that point.


Since the commencement of the full-scale invasion, Russian forces have launched roughly 300 Kh-22 missiles at Ukraine. Notably, none of these missiles were intercepted by air defense systems.




They're 0 for 300 vs. an older missile that's going at around half the speed of a Khinzal and you think they can somehow shoot down the latest hypersonics? That's like some dork who can't even hit a single pitch off a middle school kid claiming that he can bat .500 off of a MLB pitcher. I know you're a fucking idiot, but I didn't think you were this retarded.
 
Total fucking bullshit. Ukraine can't even shoot down a single one of the older Kh-22 missiles which aren't even hypersonic.
He added that the Kh-22 missile, traveling at a speed of 4,000 km/h and primarily using a ballistic trajectory, requires unique means for the interception, including Patriot air defense systems.

Kyiv is already operating Patriot air defense systems; however, the spokesperson did not explain why this defense system has failed to intercept the Russian missile in question.

Back in August, Ihnat had acknowledged that Ukrainian air defenses were ill-equipped to counter Russia’s Kh-22 missiles and admitted the inability to down a single missile of this type by that point.


Since the commencement of the full-scale invasion, Russian forces have launched roughly 300 Kh-22 missiles at Ukraine. Notably, none of these missiles were intercepted by air defense systems.



They're 0 for 300 vs. an older missile that's going at around half the speed of a Khinzal and you think they can somehow shoot down the latest hypersonics? That's like some dork who can't even hit a single pitch off a middle school kid claiming that he can bat .500 off of a MLB pitcher. I know you're a fucking idiot, but I didn't think you were this retarded.
Bit of an old article isn't it.
Hasn't the KH22 been taken down, even by older Patriots at this point?
And isn't the missile itself considered inaccurate to the extent that they don't bother throwing 'm at point targets and usually use them against strikes against large targets (i.e. big city centres?)
 
Bit of an old article isn't it.
Hasn't the KH22 been taken down, even by older Patriots at this point?
And isn't the missile itself considered inaccurate to the extent that they don't bother throwing 'm at point targets and usually use them against strikes against large targets (i.e. big city centres?)

Cope & cry some more. There's dozens of videos of Patriots getting blown to shreds by Kh-22 and Iskander missiles, both of which are easier to stop than Khinzal or Zircon.

 
Cope & cry some more. There's dozens of videos of Patriots getting blown to shreds by Kh-22 and Iskander missiles, both of which are easier to stop than Khinzal or Zircon.


Oh, not going to deny that Patriots got destroyed during the conflict, but isn't your point that Russia's latest stuff is supposed to be unstoppable and the West has nothing to counter it?

I'm not saying Russia only produces shit quality military equipment (to be fair, they do, alot).
They have some decent stuff aswell.
But your fanboy-ish view of them is a bit childish imo.

"Nato has nothing to stop the Russian navy!"
Meanwhile in the real world the Black Sea fleet got fucked up so bad they hardly leave port, their "aircraft carrier" pretty much sunk itself and they had to appeal to the West to intervene otherwise their Crimean Bridge would've been destroyed (again).

They have a few qualities and abilities, but you're hyping yourself up a bit.
 
Oh, not going to deny that Patriots got destroyed during the conflict, but isn't your point that Russia's latest stuff is supposed to be unstoppable and the West has nothing to counter it?

I'm not saying Russia only produces shit quality military equipment (to be fair, they do, alot).
They have some decent stuff aswell.
But your fanboy-ish view of them is a bit childish imo.

"Nato has nothing to stop the Russian navy!"
Meanwhile in the real world the Black Sea fleet got fucked up so bad they hardly leave port, their "aircraft carrier" pretty much sunk itself and they had to appeal to the West to intervene otherwise their Crimean Bridge would've been destroyed (again).

They have a few qualities and abilities, but you're hyping yourself up a bit.


Eurasian times is a trash internet rag, anyone who falls for their garbage can be freely ignored.

It's basically an Indian scam call center in internet news form.
 
Oh, not going to deny that Patriots got destroyed during the conflict, but isn't your point that Russia's latest stuff is supposed to be unstoppable and the West has nothing to counter it?

Kiel Institute report, page 25
Sample interception rates for commonly used Russian missiles in 2024: 50% for the older Kalibr sub-
sonic cruise missiles, 22% for modern subsonic cruise missiles (e.g. Kh-69), 4% for modern ballistic mis-
siles (e.g. Iskander-M), 0.6% for S-300/400 supersonic long-range SAM, and 0.55% for the Kh-22 super-
sonic anti-ship missile. Data on interception rates of hypersonic missiles is scarce: Ukraine claims a 25%

interception rate for hypersonic Kinzhal and Zircon missiles, but Ukrainian sources also indicate such
interceptions require salvo firing all 32 launchers in a US-style Patriot battery to have any chance to

shoot down a single hypersonic missile. By comparison, German Patriot batteries have 16 launchers,
and Germany has 72 launchers in total.


4% chance of intercepting an Iskander, 0.55% for Kh-22. 25% chance of intercepting a Kinzhal if all 32 launchers in a Patriot battery are fired at it. That's pretty much zero. As I said, Western air defence systems are effectively useless against modern Russian missiles.
 
Malian Foreign Minister Abdoulaye Diop called Ukraine a terrorist country.

Literally: "Some countries help terrorists in the Sahel and organize their rear. For example, Ukraine. For us, Ukraine is a terrorist state."
 
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