International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[My Spot]

Well the BM wasn't a treaty (hence the M in BM). Our promise was that we wouldn't attack any of those 3 countries after they gave up their nukes.
It also didn't commit signatories to go to war with any other signatories who break the memorandum.

 

[San Marino]

What in the hell has this got to do with him " being a wannabe "

Wrong outfit for the job.

And he was accused that he was " the perfect embodiement of white supremacy "
accusations are brilliant evidence lol..

Not just accusations, there is evidence.

The 10 greatest controversies of Winston Churchill's career

The UK is marking the 50th anniversary of of Winston Churchill's death. Many regard him as the greatest Briton, but for some he remains intensely controversial.

www.bbc.com

1937 -- Churchill certainly believed in racial hierarchies and eugenics, says John Charmley, author of 'Churchill: The End of Glory.' In Churchill's view, white protestant Christians were at the top, above white Catholics, while Indians were higher than Africans, he adds. "Churchill saw himself and Britain as being the winners in a social Darwinian hierarchy."

Also, 'eugenics' was first introduced by the Americans in late 19th century. Later picked up by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.

Yes he came up with plans to attack the soviets... and wanted to... which never happened...

Never happened because the Americans told him no.

 

[San Marino]

 

[Limbo Pete]

Really?
How come I am having a nice conversation with at least 3 people in this thread?
You are just part of the original 7 idiots from 3 years ago. Just like @Limbo Pete who refuse to face the truth when it smacks you in the face. I don't give two-shits about what the 7 idiots in this thread think. Why do you idiots even respond to my posts? Put me on ignore please.

Not your best rambling diatribe tbh

 

[Badr Hari]

Well, Zelensky sure is unpopular with the Trump administration and half of America.
Zelensky's behavior at the White House on Friday was completely unprofessional and unnecessary. All the issues he raised should have been done behind closed doors before he came to America. He drudged up past bullshit which is irrelevant to the deal and questioned whether US security would guarantee peace in Ukraine. If he had any doubt, he should he stayed in Ukraine. The guy needs to resign, and a better politician take his place. Zelensky is prolonging this conflict.

Trump outraged at Zelenskyy saying end of Russia-Ukraine war could be ‘very far away’

US president responds to Ukrainian president’s most recent interview, following blow-up in the Oval Office last week

www.theguardian.com

Why unnecessary? I think it was a decision of the host to keep the whole convo transparent. I have the feeling trump team wanted to create a muslims call it "kurban" out of Zelensky. They had pre-decided that will stop all aid to Ukraine. Now they'll have one more reason to blame Z for their own decision. Don't forget that Zelensky has tried cock sucking on trump a few months before the presidential election actually. He already knew bending the knee won't work so he was like let me at least slap it in their face one last time.

As for resigning, it could happen. But doesn't matter if it's Zaluzhny or Poroshenko, none of them will be easier to deal than Zelensky. And as Rubio has stated: we don't even know the russian conditions yet, they might be unacceptable to the american side as well according to Rubio

 

[Cid]

 

[Badr Hari]

Putin and Russia are not going to invade Europe.
First: France, Britain, and Germany have nuclear missiles. Germany has US nuclear missiles.
Second: If Russia can't take all of Ukraine in 3 years, how will they take all of Europe.
Third: Russia has entirely too many problems at home to be worried about expanding its border.

* Ukraine was the crown jewel of the USSR. This is something Putin wants back (even if partially) and certainly out of NATO membership. In many ways, Putin has already achieved that.

I wish you were right. But there are some indicators of the possibility of the opposite thing happening.

- nuclear missiles you say? Russia has multiple times more nuclear bombs than all of Europe combined. Or am I wrong? Europeans can shove those bombs up their...

- second point: ukraine just happened to be the strong nut in their way. What the ukrainians have done is unimaginable, mostly it's a result of their bravery but also skills of fighting attained during soviet time and especially during the now long 11 years war in donbass, some of the fierce fighters ukraine has don't exist in europe. And then again, don't underestimate the russians. They are the only country which has to a degree prepared it's economy since 2008 for a large war, plus has inherited the largest military arsenal on the planet by far from the dissolved Soviet Union. They are also helped by two countries which have a serious military strength in North Korea and Iran. Belarus isn't a joke either. And an occupation in Ukraine means they could use ukrainians in the future (who would have thought one day that chechens will fight for the russians but it happened. And don't forget that russians have ethnic minorities which they claim are often "oppresed" in Moldova, Georgia, Kazakhstan and the Baltic countries. All of them would be on the menu. Going further, countries like Slovakia and Hungary openly like Руски Мир and Romania, Bulgaria, Greece recently have all opposition parties oriented pro-Kremlin growing in popularity and soon coming to power. Serbia is essentially a russian state in such a scenario with expansionist appetites itself. Austria already has the election won by a pro-russian party. I'm not saying they would invade boots on the ground soon, but with the fall of Ukraine the European Union would certainly cease to exist, and I'm sure article 5 will at one point be smashed easily. The entire continental europe (minus turkey and scandinavian countries) doesn't even have the number of soldiers Ukraine has. (And with less skill)

- and third point it's actually a contradiction, their empire has historically avoided solving home problems, by creating problems abroad. It's a way of life

 

[Badr Hari]

 

[Siver!]

Some of you may have heard of the "passing" of legendary three-time Olympic gold medalist Buvaisar Saitiev.

Well, unfortunately that "passing" doesn't appear to be natural causes after all...

 

[DEVILsSON]

What fake quote?

I literally quoted it for you...do I need to report it?

Please produce where I said that or kindly remove it.

 

[Strychnine]

I called this back in November 2024 right after the election.

 

[San Marino]

Trump administration pauses U.S. military aid to Ukraine

MSN

* Good job Zelensky!

 

[Siver!]

BREAKING

Trump administration pauses U.S. military aid to Ukraine​

MSN

* Good job Zelensky!

Well, duh.

Next will come the gradual easing of sanctions.

We know. Trump is vehemently pro-Russia.

 

[San Marino]

I literally quoted it for you...do I need to report it?

Please produce where I said that or kindly remove it.

Quoted what? Remove what? What are you talking about?
Oh, that is right. You are the low IQ guy -- the imbecile. That explains it. You can't keep track of what you write.

 

[San Marino]

Next will come the gradual easing of sanctions.

We know. Trump is vehemently pro-Russia.

We know? Who is we?
Trump is pro-Russia? Really? Throw me a link where he specifically said that?
He sure as shit is anti-Zelensky after last Friday. Can the 'little clown' make things any worse for Ukraine?

 

[San Marino]

They had pre-decided that will stop all aid to Ukraine. Now they'll have one more reason to blame Z for their own decision.

Zelenski failed to sign the minerals deal on 3 occasions: In Ukraine, in Germany, and in America.

As for resigning, it could happen. But doesn't matter if it's Zaluzhny or Poroshenko, none of them will be easier to deal than Zelensky.

At this point in the game anyone is easier to deal with than Zelensky.
The only ones gaining from this Trump/Zelensky dispute is Putin and Russia.

 

[Siver!]

We know? Who is we?
Trump is pro-Russia? Really? Throw me a link where he specifically said that?
He sure as shit is anti-Zelensky after last Friday. Can the 'little clown' make things any worse for Ukraine?

"I want to use sanctions as little as possible. You’re losing Iran, you’re losing Russia." (Sep 2024)
"Spend less time worrying about Putin." (K, whatever you want, Donald)
"Zelensky is a dictator." (unlike Putin)

Then there's the imminent removal of sanctions on Russians, there's the inevitable handover of Taiwan to the Chinese that goes hand-in-hand with the attempted handover of Ukrainian resources/land to Putin, but if you want normal, realistic stuff, calling Putin a genius and fawning over the man for all these years kinda tells you everything.

He knows they're corrupt and will give him huge paydays for every victory he lends Putin, and that's way easier than just doing the right thing and helping Ukraine defend itself - whereupon he will get very little for his efforts. He's all about personal enrichment, and there's no point replying to pretend otherwise.

We know.

 

[San Marino]

"I want to use sanctions as little as possible. You’re losing Iran, you’re losing Russia." (Sep 2024)
"Spend less time worrying about Putin." (K, whatever you want, Donald)
"Zelensky is a dictator." (unlike Putin)

Again, where in any of those quotes does Trump say that he is pro-Russia?

He knows they're corrupt and will give him huge paydays for every victory he lends Putin, and that's way easier than just doing the right thing and helping Ukraine defend itself - whereupon he will get very little for his efforts. He's all about personal enrichment, and there's no point replying to pretend otherwise.

Personal enrichment? Both Trump and Musk are not taking a dime for their job with the US Government.
You are saying that Ukraine is not corrupt? Please. It is the most corrupt country in the Eastern Bloc countries.
Zelensky has locked away the opposition, closed the church, sold US military hardware in the black market, lost half the money given to him by the US (unaccounted), thrown innocent people in jail without due process, etc.

* Ukraine caused this invasion by 'pocking the bear' in its attempt to join NATO. Imagine Canada and Mexico joining the Warsaw Pact and putting Russian nuclear missiles in their countries. How exactly would the US feel about that?

 

[Siver!]

Again, where in any of those quotes does Trump say that he is pro-Russia?


Personal enrichment? Both Trump and Musk are not taking a dime for their job with the US Government.
You are saying that Ukraine is not corrupt? Please. It is the most corrupt country in the Eastern Bloc countries.
Zelensky has locked away the opposition, closed the church, sold US military hardware in the black market, lost half the money given to him by the US (unaccounted), thrown innocent people in jail without due process, etc.

* Ukraine caused this invasion by 'pocking the bear' in its attempt to join NATO. Imagine Canada and Mexico joining the Warsaw Pact and putting Russian nuclear missiles in their countries. How exactly would the US feel about that?

Oh, you wanted an actual quote where Trump outright says the exact words "I AM PRO RUSSIA" like an end-scene reveal?



Good night, mate. And no one thinks any country on earth is "not corrupt", park the black-and-white bullshit lol Boris Johnson and his cronies were corrupt, it doesn't mean the British people wouldn't be worth allies defending

 

[San Marino]

Oh, you wanted an actual quote where Trump outright says the exact words "I AM PRO RUSSIA" like an end-scene reveal?

Yes, dumbass. Something along those lines. Your 3 quotes did not come remotely close to implying that.

And no one thinks any country on earth is "not corrupt", park the black-and-white bullshit lol

No one? Sure, about that? How do you know? Have you talked to everyone?
Some think both the Vatican and Israel are countries with no corruption.