International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[San Marino]

I'm not saying they would invade boots on the ground soon, but with the fall of Ukraine the European Union would certainly cease to exist, and I'm sure article 5 will at one point be smashed easily.

The fall of Ukraine would have zero (0) effect on Europe. Apples and oranges.
Russia does not have a ground Army strong enough to take over Europe. They didn't have it before 2022 and they sure as shit don't have it now in 2025. Where does this idea of Russia taking over Europe come from? France, Germany, and Great Britain are not Ukraine.

The entire continental europe (minus turkey and scandinavian countries) doesn't even have the number of soldiers Ukraine has. (And with less skill)

You mean that Ukraine had in 2022. The 2025 Ukrainian Army is a shadow of its former self. Ukraine has lost roughly 500,000 soldiers killed in this conflict. Add another 500,000 wounded on top of that. That is 1,000,000 bodies no longer fighting for Ukraine.

 

[San Marino]

 

[Badr Hari]

Zelenski failed to sign the minerals deal on 3 occasions: In Ukraine, in Germany, and in America.

At this point in the game anyone is easier to deal with than Zelensky.
The only ones gaining from this Trump/Zelensky dispute is Putin and Russia.

I understand your point. To be fair Zelensky was ready to let his minister sign the deal in Washington. The americans insisted that Zelensky put his own signature on it and Z wasn't right with that, as he says that Verkhovna Rada will anyway have to vote for the deal to be legal. So to me it looks like a stubbornness and technicality issue that will soon be resolved one way or another. The really difficult part comes after the 'deal' (which is a huge piece of nothing imo) is signed: Ukraine will ask for a steady flow of weapons from the US again and our new partner Putin I'm not sure would happy to hear that, so we'll see more drama unfold in the coming months.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

It has? I was not aware of it. Was it during Vietnam or Iraq? Hiding in Canada, yes. Street abductions in broad daylight, no.
Canadian men actually crossed the border into the US to go fight in Vietnam.

Quoted what? Remove what? What are you talking about?
Oh, that is right. You are the low IQ guy -- the imbecile. That explains it. You can't keep track of what you write.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/russia-ukraine-megathread-v15.4319848/post-174837097

Produce the post where I said it or shut the fuck up. You are among the dumbest people in this thread. Your trolling isn't even funny.

I reported this post so feel free to post a link.....

 

[Strychnine]

Looks like Ukraine isn't giving a frag if the U.S. pauses aid or not.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Look.. the Russian government pays me to post these alternative facts. It's a living. It's either posting these pro Russian posts or starting an OnlyFans and no one wants to see that.

I can respect that. Thanks for confirming.

 

[Strychnine]

Britian is tossing around the idea of a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

 

[Badr Hari]

The fall of Ukraine would have zero (0) effect on Europe. Apples and oranges.
Russia does not have a ground Army strong enough to take over Europe. They didn't have it before 2022 and they sure as shit don't have it now in 2025. Where does this idea of Russia taking over Europe come from? France, Germany, and Great Britain are not Ukraine.

You mean that Ukraine had in 2022. The 2025 Ukrainian Army is a shadow of its former self. Ukraine has lost roughly 500,000 soldiers killed in this conflict. Add another 500,000 wounded on top of that. That is 1,000,000 bodies no longer fighting for Ukraine.

- oh there is no way it's zero effect. I mean me and you can lie to ourselves all we want if that makes us happy. I know being optimistic is healthy, but sometimes we have to be in touch with reality

- the fact that it's a stalemate it tell you that while going on this war didn't weaken neither army, you know what weakens armies and it sounds very bad, peace, when "modern" nato armies play stupid seminars and "joint exercises". Both Ukr and Rus army are now larger and more deadly. Russia has over 1 million, 600k of them inside ukraine. And ukraine has around 900k active. Btw russia has 7 times more tanks than ALL of europe combined

- france and great britain would never be touched. France they'll try to take it from within, french politicians in the past have loved flirting with russia. You say Germany is not Ukraine? Yeah buddy, germans look like those aid volunteers during natural disasters compared to the AFU. We can say we strong all we want, but cats in appartments and bmw's parked in front doesn't make us tigers. Someone else has been in the jungle for three years.

 

[SandisLL]

There will be big chances for Putin with next elections in municipalities and parliaments in some NATO countries, EU member countries. Unfortunately some from these are eurozone countries.....

Despite fun about possible wars, silent methods are cheaper and 0 risks to get any sanctions.

For example in one from these countries 3 terms as parliament member was pro Kremlin oriented politician, later had been elected in EU parliament as member...damn, best dream to have voice and vote in EP....5 years .... without any war or corruption cos this person loved old good times with tanks in Berlin and Wall in Berlin...


Then these natationalists. For average vatniks they are portrayed as evil, bla bla bla. Some from them likes Putin ...in real life, propaganda is for random plancton...to manipulate with. Cos if politician does support russian fertilizers import and transit and is telling that better to purchase electricity from Belarus and construction materials import from Russia and Belarus should be re started... this is stuff guy told in economy comitee hiring and discussions sessions. While for crowd he told that NATO is cool and EU is voters hope and happiness, national values should be protected etc.

Despite stuff he had reccomended for cabinet of ministers in real life.
Next example.
Prime Minister, likely pro west oriented etc..Advised not to implement sanctions on Belarus... if will be elected again...the same will repeat...and he does have good connections in U.S, western education...
Next example: pro western oriented centrist, if except that loved all import from Russia and especially Gazprom! Loved russian fertilizers terminals....
Another example: was mayor of city, parliament member and later EU parliament member... likely centrist, well educated, Okey, doesn't advocate russian world but....supports more trade with Russia and reccomended to allow russian banks open branches in EU and especially loves Gazprom and Rosneftj...
Yes, war is bad...they should stop war in order that we might start to cooperate with russian businesses like in 2006 th.

Etc a lot of such examples.
Putin is waiting elections in EU countries...also is watching who will run boards in large companies ...this too is important....

Politician: we should support Ukraine because otherwise we will have more refugees....if no refugees, then for him war in Ukraine makes 0 sense.

Really brutal cynic.

 

[Boxiana]

US has suspended military aid to Ukraine

 

[Cid]

 

[pugilistico]

The question of who's winning the war gets debated around here but I would say neither side is winning based on their objectives. Who wins a war is based on whether or not you achieve your political objectives by military means.
The Russian objective was to make Ukraine capitulate (originally in 3 days) entirely but they're nowhere near close to that.
The Ukrainian objective is to drive Russia out entirely out of what they consider to be Ukrainian territory and that will not happen.
Both sides are dying for small territorial gains at operational levels not getting much closer to their goals.

But on the grander political strategic level, it seems Russia is winning. It's actually in fact a genius play by Russia to be able to influence American politics to such a scale that they got an American president to get them to do what they want. They were playing the long game and now they got an American president to seize both Ukrainian aid and sanctions against Russia, which were arguably the two biggest obstacles they faced. This is Sun Tzu art of war shit.

Let's see how the war on the ground plays out now but this probably won't bold well for Ukraine. Ukraine has to hold out for 4 more years until the next US president and that is a tall order. If Europe doesn't want Russian forces along its border as well as millions more Ukrainian refugees, it'll need to beef up their involvement.

The biggest winner in all of this is China since US lead global world order is weakened and their biggest neighbor Russia is also weakened. This will embolden China. I wouldn't all that surprised if China makes bigger moves around Asia at some point and maybe even territorial claims in Russia.

FYI, Zelensky isn't a dictator anymore lol

 

[pugilistico]

I wonder Ukraine will get desperate and conduct more attacks deep within Russian territory. Things could get even uglier.
Can you imagine a situation where Ukraine uses western made long range weapons to attack even deeper into Russia to make the Russian populace feel the war? And then the Trump admin intervenes militarily against Ukraine to stop that? Sounds crazy but at this point I feel like anything can happen.

 

[Limbo Pete]

The question of who's winning the war gets debated around here but I would say neither side is winning based on their objectives. Who wins a war is based on whether or not you achieve your political objectives by military means.
The Russian objective was to make Ukraine capitulate (originally in 3 days) entirely but they're nowhere near close to that.
The Ukrainian objective is to drive Russia out entirely out of what they consider to be Ukrainian territory and that will not happen.
Both sides are dying for small territorial gains at operational levels not getting much closer to their goals.

But on the grander political strategic level, it seems Russia is winning. It's actually in fact a genius play by Russia to be able to influence American politics to such a scale that they got an American president to get them to do what they want. They were playing the long game and now they got an American president to seize both Ukrainian aid and sanctions against Russia, which were arguably the two biggest obstacles they faced. This is Sun Tzu art of war shit.

Let's see how the war on the ground plays out now but this probably won't bold well for Ukraine. Ukraine has to hold out for 4 more years until the next US president and that is a tall order. If Europe doesn't want Russian forces along its border as well as millions more Ukrainian refugees, it'll need to beef up their involvement.

The biggest winner in all of this is China since US lead global world order is weakened and their biggest neighbor Russia is also weakened. This will embolden China. I wouldn't all that surprised if China makes bigger moves around Asia at some point and maybe even territorial claims in Russia.

FYI, Zelensky isn't a dictator anymore lol

Well the primary goal of Ukraine is to just keep existing, since the goal of Russia is total conquest. It's an existential fight for whether or not there will continue to be a Ukraine.

 

[SandisLL]

I remember one from EU countries 24.02.2022 had told that invasion in Ukraine is bad, let's ask Mr Putin to stop invasion, let's discuss. Later they had delayed to implement any sanctions till 08.03.2022 th, and told that might sent some a bit humanitarian aid.
10.03.2022th: ohh, yes, we might sign some bill for some money transfer.
April 2022 th...
Jesus, we have refugees! What to do?
Only then they decided to send ammunition.

 

[Cole train]

I wonder Ukraine will get desperate and conduct more attacks deep within Russian territory. Things could get even uglier.
Can you imagine a situation where Ukraine uses western made long range weapons to attack even deeper into Russia to make the Russian populace feel the war? And then the Trump admin intervenes militarily against Ukraine to stop that? Sounds crazy but at this point I feel like anything can happen.

They have already attacked saint petersburg and moscow, no reaction from people

I asked guy i know who was in saint pete as a tourist when they hit military factory in city how does it feel to be in a warzone lol

 

[PEB]

Big F you US defense manufacturers good luck Southern State that means you Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona and many others could cost 10's of thousands of jobs but industrial complex lol.

 

[pugilistico]

Big F you US defense manufacturers good luck Southern State that means you Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona and many others could cost 10's of thousands of jobs but industrial complex lol.

I am wondering what these developments will do to the US military industrial complex. Will our conventional allies buy less American made weapons? Will the defense sector see less profits? Will we see America sell F-35s to Russia, China or North Korea?

 

[curryjunkie]

I am wondering what these developments will do to the US military industrial complex. Will our conventional allies buy less American made weapons? Will the defense sector see less profits? Will we see America sell F-35s to Russia, China or North Korea?

US defense company shares are down 30% since last week, perun has a good breakdown of what it means long term on his YouTube channel

 

[pugilistico]

US defense company shares are down 30% since last week, pwrun has a good breakdown of what it means long term on his YouTube channel

Yeah I saw that too and thought damn I should've bought Rheinmetal and Saab stock.