International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[ChosenOne]

Well, let us see. Putin came to power in 2000.
Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia joined NATO in 2004.
Why didn't Russia (Putin) take over those countries prior to them joining NATO?

You really have a child like view of things.

Putin came to power in 2000 and took over a very different Russia which was coming out of phases of reform and a turn to the West following Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

Your child like thinking seems to make you think Putin can just step in and start wars without taking time to remove the elements of his gov't he does not like and get in place the people he does. You also seem to think invasion was always step one and automatic when it was not.

For instance, to educate you, had Putin been able to keep his puppet gov't in place in Ukraine and his Oligarchs raping the resources he still would not invaded until today. It was his loss of all control there, both economic and political and success Ukraine was in the early stages of enjoying that made Putin feel he had to act.

 

[San Marino]

You really have a child like view of things.

Putin came to power in 2000 and took over a very different Russia which was coming out of phases of reform and a turn to the West following Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

Your child like thinking seems to make you think Putin can just step in and start wars without taking time to remove the elements of his gov't he does not like and get in place the people he does. You also seem to think invasion was always step one and automatic when it was not.

For instance, to educate you, had Putin been able to keep his puppet gov't in place in Ukraine and his Oligarchs raping the resources he still would not invaded until today. It was his loss of all control there, both economic and political and success Ukraine was in the early stages of enjoying that made Putin feel he had to act.

Yeah, okay.
You are changing the subject and still has not answered my question:

Just exactly how many countries has Russia invaded and taken over?

Do you want me to answer it for you?

 

[ChosenOne]

Yeah, okay.
You are changing the subject and still has not answered my question:

Because your question is stupid and obvious.

what you are doing is called the 'begging the question' fallacy. You are trying to assume some conclusion with a truth in it but are presenting a flawed premise.

You are trying so say Putin not acting in the first few years of his coming to power proves something when it DOES NOT.

Stop presenting your dumb assumptions and this won't happen.

Do you want me to answer it for you?

Answer it for yourself. I have just explained why i do not address your fallacious leading questions the way you are trying to direct and that is because the questions are stupid and obvious.

 

[Cid]

 

[pugilistico]

This makes me wonder, is Russian even a military threat to the west anymore in the conventional sense? Are they really struggling so much that they have to resort to donkeys? Or are they holding back some stockpiles of military vehicles just in case?
A conventional force invading Europe looks like a pipe dream now. NATO forces would crush them.

 

[Crazy Source]

 

[SandisLL]

This makes me wonder, is Russian even a military threat to the west anymore in the conventional sense? Are they really struggling so much that they have to resort to donkeys? Or are they holding back some stockpiles of military vehicles just in case?
A conventional force invading Europe looks like a pipe dream now. NATO forces would crush them.

It is. Ofc initially with all these hackers, chatbots and troll farms, psy ops, helping Iran and North Korea.

Also ofc support for pro Kremlin oriented politicians in west. We do have in U.S, also nice Orban and Fico, maybe will have Calic ( if he will win elections he will be even more nasty vs Ukraine than Putin....ofc slowly etc.... ).

Donkeys IMHO someone told Putin that are good idea and Putin ordered.

Remember that Putin had delivered in Donbas T-62 tanks....they were actual when he was young.
Unlike T 55 they are considerably lesser usable for indirect fire support role.
Ofc T-55 with rifled 100 mm high pressure long barrel guns obviously were really usable to some extent as field guns....
Especially if to bear in mind that they does have also anti infantry ammo.

Like if west had supplied old M60A3 105 mm stuff...and a lot of Leopard 1.
Ofc they doesn't have so high barrel elevation degree like howitzers....however if to place front of tank in higher elevation than rear then ofc elevation angle increases vs avg ground line.

Also ofc very usable against stuff like BMPs, BTR stuff....

Putin does have money and impact to get for example 3000 jeeps for small operation...today and might pay today. Even if weekend day. Immediately.
If he decided to allow use donkeys, most likely someone had told him that donkeys are good solution for special operation.

 

[Badr Hari]

This makes me wonder, is Russian even a military threat to the west anymore in the conventional sense? Are they really struggling so much that they have to resort to donkeys? Or are they holding back some stockpiles of military vehicles just in case?
A conventional force invading Europe looks like a pipe dream now. NATO forces would crush them.

Head to head it isn't but when the military is compounded with the political, it can become a real threat. Don't forget many NATO countries have leaders who openly flirt with Putin. 40 to 50 percent of population in the majority of european countries (only UK excluded) is pro-Kremlin as crazy it sounds. And donkeys aren't being used because they lack vehicles, they have calculated they are somehow usable, I suppose has something to do with the weather conditions in Russia in February.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Your so limit Russia Russia Russia or Hitler Hitler Hitler... i'm asking you if you had any pragmatic and grown up vision or sense of rational thought, by your way of thinking why didn't America push back the red Army from deep grip in Europe? According to your goofy idealism they should had done it.. since it a regime quite worse than today's Russia..

If you lived in Truman's time you would complain how it took a knee to appease the red army and refuse to fight and liberate the eastern europeans who were under the regime of Stalin... of course wouldn't matter the cost of it.. because reasons.

You are incapable of seeing the big picture and seeing what it's the pragmatic solution in this or that problem. Nothing new since you're a libtard.

Is this what you would have backed?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

You want to think the cost of pushing the red army wouldn't matter neither in man power and lives, or with money for the sake of doing the "right thing", that's fine by me, no argument is going to take you down of you higher moral pedestal.

We had atomic bombs. If our leaders were like any of the people you're describing we would have taken over the world. Russia and China would have been obliterated in short order with just a few bombs.

 

[b-hop]

We had atomic bombs. If our leaders were like any of the people you're describing we would have taken over the world. Russia and China would have been obliterated in short order with just a few bombs.

That's true also, i agree.

 

[Strychnine]

CRAZY FPV drone attacks!




"Badaboom Jaga-Jaga Muddafrugga!"

 

[SandisLL]

That's true also, i agree.

Where you might agree together with Pump and his Master In Kremlin that today China is World Hegemony No1?
It will be also other BIC countries and that U.S weapons are overpriced and delivered with delays. Soon U.S will lost world trade hegemony and slowly will die peace by peace. In this peace Russia is just one from vassals nothing more.
U.S hegemony maybe had died if they will not correct according to reality. Death for $ and U.S. End of game today. Slow death.

 

[Strychnine]

More human waves to the meat-grinder.

 

[Anewt]

We had atomic bombs. If our leaders were like any of the people you're describing we would have taken over the world. Russia and China would have been obliterated in short order with just a few bombs.

Why would yas want to lose that much money? When you own the lions share you basically have taken over the world.... or a 3rd of it

According to recent data, the United States is significantly wealthier than the rest of the world, holding around 30% of global wealth,

You have 4% of the global population.

You have basically taken over the world already. Why blow it up?

 

[San Marino]

Because your question is stupid and obvious.

It is? Then why don't you answer it? You don't know.
The answer is zero (0). Russia has not taken over a single country since 1991.

what you are doing is called the 'begging the question' fallacy. You are trying to assume some conclusion with a truth in it but are presenting a flawed premise.

...and you are just pulling shit out of your ass as usual.

Answer it for yourself. I have just explained why i do not address your fallacious leading questions the way you are trying to direct and that is because the questions are stupid and obvious.

So, this statement has just proven how you avoid answering simple questions. The answer goes against the propaganda that people have created of Russia. It has not invaded and taken over any country like Nazi Germany did. You lost this round.

 

[San Marino]

 

[SandisLL]

For example why anglo saxonians might be too cocky with their overrated and overpriced weapons...cos cocky bullies selling old crap mainly ? Kremlin puppets since 1940 ies and lying ...
Brits and U.S are responsible for filling EU with more than 6 000 000 refugees due to their Famous empty Budapesht used toilet paper worth shit ....lesser usable than used toilet paper. To attempt sell overpriced garbage worth shit for huge price and yell like cocky teens. Laughable shit.
OK, Patriot peace of shit. 0 ability to use vertical launch mode. It is museum exposition if compare with S 300 it is ancient garbage sold for huge price and it is laughable idiotism. While missiles are normal and if they were not delivered with delays... maybe might be better. Otherwise this stuff is overpriced shit.
S-300 level stuff in best case.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[pugilistico]

Head to head it isn't but when the military is compounded with the political, it can become a real threat. Don't forget many NATO countries have leaders who openly flirt with Putin. 40 to 50 percent of population in the majority of european countries (only UK excluded) is pro-Kremlin as crazy it sounds. And donkeys aren't being used because they lack vehicles, they have calculated they are somehow usable, I suppose has something to do with the weather conditions in Russia in February.

I don't think using donkeys being in itself is a crazy idea, but they way they're using it does look crazy. They've been at this war for more than 3 years now and so this isn't the first time they've gone through this weather. Why pull out the donkeys now?