International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[AWilder]

@Cole train seems you guys have some newly designed drones thanks to Ukraine.

Aussies was making cardboard drones with payloads similar to this.

 

[Rational Poster]

Yeah. Israelis always do what the Americans demand of them? They could simply say no. Sorry! We need those missiles for our own defense.
Why would the US even go through Israel to send Patriot batteries to Ukraine? Why not send them directly like we have been doing in the past?
I'm sure whatever Israel gives away it will be replaced.
These are the same Israelis that stole American nuclear weapon know how (against US wishes) and Uranium-235 from US nuclear reactor facilities in the 1960s.

I literally just told you, these were US stockpiles. Not Israeli. Lmao

 

[Strychnine]

No, they are not.
Let us document this war the way it is really going.
Ukraine’s Armor Challenged: Nearly 40 Leopard Tanks Destroyed! - Ukraine’s armored forces are facing mounting losses as the conflict with Russia continues. Of the 192 Leopard tanks supplied to Ukraine, nearly 40—about 20%—have been destroyed, damaged, or abandoned, according to open-source site Oryx. These include advanced models like the Leopard 2A6, once seen as key to Ukraine’s counteroffensives.

Better start converting those Rubles now bro. I have a feeling this might be as good as they get.

 

[Strychnine]

Russia handcuffing soldiers together to prevent desertion.

Clown army.

 

[Cid]

Well our chief military drone researcher literally last week said tb 2 is not doing anything and that our military made right choice not buying them so i would rather take his word lol

Business insider did article about this 2 years ago in 23 how they have been made ineffective

Bayraktar TB2 drones were hailed as Ukraine's savior and the future of warfare. A year later, they've practically disappeared.

Ukraine's killer TB2 drones initially caused havoc on the battlefield but are now largely reduced to reconnaissance duties, an expert said.

www.businessinsider.com

So you're saying Ukraines most high tech, expensive drone from Turkey has been replaced by substantially lower tech cheaper Ukrainian made alternatives built around cost effectively meeting battlefield requirements?

Tb2 was designed to bomb kurdistan worker party and YPG in Iraq and Syria. You seem to think other people thought it was great and it's not therefore it's now shit. It's a drone designed to bomb poor people from Turkey is what I'm saying it is. Not more not less.

Never told you guys to buy Tb2. Why would you buy an expensive drone from Turkey designed to bomb poor people?


Saying hey this cheap drone from Ukraine designed to kill Russians isn't going to get adopted in any way because Turkey's drone built to kill Arabs wasn't great at cost efficiently killing Russians is a bizarre argument.

Ukraine is at the forefront of cheaply killing Russians with cheap cost efficient drones. There is literally no better country on earth for you to consider designs from in the cheap efficient and nasty drone category than Ukraine.

 

[Cole train]

So you're saying Ukraines most high tech, expensive drone from Turkey has been replaced by substantially lower tech cheaper Ukrainian made alternatives built around cost effectively meeting battlefield requirements?

Tb2 was designed to bomb kurdistan worker party and YPG in Iraq and Syria. You seem to think other people thought it was great and it's not therefore it's now shit. It's a drone designed to bomb poor people from Turkey is what I'm saying it is. Not more not less.

Never told you guys to buy Tb2. Why would you buy an expensive drone from Turkey designed to bomb poor people?


Saying hey this cheap drone from Ukraine designed to kill Russians isn't going to get adopted in any way because Turkey's drone built to kill Arabs wasn't great at cost efficiently killing Russians is a bizarre argument.

Ukraine is at the forefront of cheaply killing Russians with cheap cost efficient drones. There is literally no better country on earth for you to consider designs from in the cheap efficient and nasty drone category than Ukraine.

Well yea they got replaced since they all got shot down and ukraine got better at building drones?

Im not using tb 2 as an argument to not consider ukraine drone models

Im saying (as does our military) dont modernize too early, tb 2 is a good example of this. Back in 2022 early months of war everyone was like woah its next big thing, by start of 23 it was gone.Rendered ineffective


All drone models you see in this war at moment now will be useless in about 3 years most likely so no point buying anything currently

Thats the point.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

@Ruthless Ryan The beatings continue.

We disagreed on our opinion of what Trump would do in UKR but you must admit it seems like the gloves are off now for UKR, at this pace Russian oil will be wiped out in months.

 

[Strychnine]

We disagreed on our opinion of what Trump would do in UKR but you must admit it seems like the gloves are off now for UKR, at this pace Russian oil will be wiped out in months.

I agree.

I'm no fan of Trump, but I'll give credit where it's due and I'm fully supporting him supporting Ukraine. Like I posted up the thread, if he keeps the pressure on and Russia folds?

He'll be the "Hero of Ukraine", and they'll throw a parade in Kyiv in his honor.

And I would watch, because when freedom is won? We all win.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Russia handcuffing soldiers together to prevent desertion.

Clown army.

Hopefully this continues, hard to believe they have been doing meat wave assaults for 3 years and yet they still line up one after another to absorb bullets even after seeing the many roads of death. I think they have come to a point even the dumbest Russians have to know even with their big signing bonus's they will never receive it or die anyhow. Word one way or another has to get back to the motherland of what's really happening....not sure their is another country on earth that can have this happen to their people on the scale it is happening in Russia.

 

[San Marino]

I literally just told you, these were US stockpiles. Not Israeli. Lmao

Lmao. Where were the stockpiles located? Israel. Why was Israel even mentioned on the video?

 

[Rational Poster]

Lmao. Where were the stockpiles located? Israel. Why was Israel even mentioned on the video?

Are you slow or something?

Israel gave them to us, and we moved them to Poland ourselves to transfer to Ukraine.

US sending Patriot missiles from Israel to Ukraine, Axios reports​

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-sending-patriot-missiles-israel-ukraine-axios-reports-2025-01-28/

A spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office confirmed to Axios that a Patriot system had been returned to the U.S., adding "it is not known to us whether it was delivered to Ukraine."

 

[San Marino]

Better start converting those Rubles now bro. I have a feeling this might be as good as they get.

So, is that a yes on Russia destroying the 40 Leopard tanks? Not sure what the Ruble has to do with a German tank.

 

[San Marino]

I'm no fan of Trump, but I'll give credit where it's due and I'm fully supporting him supporting Ukraine. Like I posted up the thread, if he keeps the pressure on and Russia folds?

Trump is supporting Ukraine?
He hasn't stopped supporting Russia and Putin is still his friend.
Do you really think Trump would side with Ukraine as opposed to Russia?
Vice-president J. D. Vance once said that he doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine. We will soon find out whether the American people share his indifference.

Trump Is Facing a Catastrophic Defeat in Ukraine

If Ukraine falls, it will be hard to spin as anything but a debacle for the United States, and for its president.

www.theatlantic.com

What Trump 2.0 Means for Ukraine and the World

The President’s various foreign-policy “personas” vacillate between a desire for domination and withdrawal.

www.newyorker.com

 

[San Marino]

Israel gave them to us, and we moved them to Poland ourselves to transfer to Ukraine.

The Patriots were decommissioned by Israel. That is when the Ukrainian request came through US channels. Otherwise, the Patriots would have remained in Israel. Netanyahu was worried this deal would provoke the Russians and Iran. The Israelis 'gave' them back to the US? For free? Doubtful. Israel has to make a profit on this and all transactions. They most likely sold the Patriots back to the US. Remember that time Israel mentioned the holocaust to the Germans and managed to get 1 out of 3 nuclear German submarines for free? Plus, the stolen Uranium-235 from US nuclear reactors.

 

[Rational Poster]

The Patriots were decommissioned by Israel. That is when the Ukrainian request came through US channels. Otherwise, the Patriots would have remained in Israel. Netanyahu was worried this deal would provoke the Russians and Iran. The Israelis 'gave' them back to the US? For free? Doubtful. Israel has to make a profit on this and all transactions. They most likely sold the Patriots back to the US. Remember that time Israel mentioned the holocaust to the Germans and managed to get 1 out of 3 nuclear German submarines for free? Plus, the stolen Uranium-235 from US nuclear reactors.

Can't you just say "oh yeah, you're right my bad" and move on? You don't even have to type it out.

Instead you have to write this bullshit fan fiction. lmao

 

[GhostZ06]

The Congressional Research Service has asked whether Ukraine lessons have been incorporated into the US Army’s XM-30 Mechanized Infantry Combat Vehicle program.


The XM-30 is intended to replace the four-decade-old M-2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicle, starting in 2029.


American Rheinmetall and General Dynamics Land Systems are vying for the potentially $45-billion program to replace approximately 2,400 M-2s.


In its latest report, the government agency referred to reports of “significant” damage anti-tank guided missiles and unmanned aerial systems have inflicted upon infantry fighting vehicles in Ukraine.


“What are some of the lessons learned about armored fighting vehicle vulnerability to these systems? Does the Army have plans to incorporate Ukraine lessons learned into XM-30 design?” the report asked.


It further asked whether the vehicle’s proposed active protection system, which has been touted as a solution for drones, addresses the full range of threats that could emerge in a situation like in Ukraine.


Additionally, the report asked whether the planned change in the army’s force structure would have an impact on the future vehicle’s acquisition.

Bradley Replacement​

Formerly known as the Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle, the XM-30 is the US Army’s sixth attempt to replace the storied M2.


Two of the most recent attempts — the Future Combat System Program and the Ground Combat Vehicle Program — were cancelled for programmatic and cost reasons.


Following numerous upgrades, the Bradley is considered to have reached its technological limit to incorporate new electronics, armor, and defensive systems.


Like the M2, the XM-30 will be used to ferry troops and provide fire support to dismounted troops and feature greater firepower, mobility, and protection.


Additional features include the ability to conduct remotely controlled operations while the crew is not in the vehicle.

so getting rid of Bradly's isnt that big of a deal. We should send them fuck tones more and save money for the Bradly replacement

Congressional Research Service Urges Ukraine Lessons for Future Combat Vehicle

The Congressional Research Service has asked if Ukraine lessons have been incorporated into the US Army’s XM-30 Mechanized Infantry Combat Vehicle program.

thedefensepost.com

 

[DEVILsSON]

Can't you just say "oh yeah, you're right my bad" and move on? You don't even have to type it out.

Instead you have to write this bullshit fan fiction. lmao

Look it's not the same unless you can imply Israelis 'jewed them down' in your post....

On a separate note Israelis are well aware Russians were directly helping its enemies. This is a small payback.

 

[SandisLL]

Look it's not the same unless you can imply Israelis 'jewed them down' in your post....

On a separate note Israelis are well aware Russians were directly helping its enemies. This is a small payback.

You can't discuss with paid Lavrov's office troll farm troll. Troll farms are using chatbots to generate texts etc, employee just checks stuff and sometimes is doing something too.

Iran is Russia's strategic partner.
It is suspected that Russia most likely had supported HAMAS.
It well known that Russia had supported Assad.
Nice combo.
North Korea and Belarus does have mutual defense pacts with Russia.
North Korea is suspected that their missiles might have connection with housithes and Iran...

Spinmarino isn't properly taught module
... they will improve module, the more we will diacuss with bot, the better they will be able to " teach " module.

 

[SandisLL]

So you're saying Ukraines most high tech, expensive drone from Turkey has been replaced by substantially lower tech cheaper Ukrainian made alternatives built around cost effectively meeting battlefield requirements?

Tb2 was designed to bomb kurdistan worker party and YPG in Iraq and Syria. You seem to think other people thought it was great and it's not therefore it's now shit. It's a drone designed to bomb poor people from Turkey is what I'm saying it is. Not more not less.

Never told you guys to buy Tb2. Why would you buy an expensive drone from Turkey designed to bomb poor people?


Saying hey this cheap drone from Ukraine designed to kill Russians isn't going to get adopted in any way because Turkey's drone built to kill Arabs wasn't great at cost efficiently killing Russians is a bizarre argument.

Ukraine is at the forefront of cheaply killing Russians with cheap cost efficient drones. There is literally no better country on earth for you to consider designs from in the cheap efficient and nasty drone category than Ukraine.

Ininitially it was designed for recon/ survillance, later appeared that was usable to bomb poor rural partisans....

Looks that Ukr had used this in max slow flighf speed in order not to trigger SAM systems radars operators.

Relatively common is that in order to filter out cluster ....is switched not to pop alert if target does have low speed ....lower than helicopters usually does have and relatively low radar effective cross refl ....

Baykatar does have lower eff signature than for example Mi 2 helicopter...and might had been used when flying slow.... not even so fast as helicopters usually ....

Then Ukr looks that were able to use this from 300-3000 m altitude and do job....
Like with poor rural partisans.

When russia had changed some small simples things, Baykatar appeared vulnerable even for old soviet era SAM systems .. not alone something more modern.

 

[PEB]

Aussies was making cardboard drones with payloads similar to this.