International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

@Strychnine
Is this blatantly false propaganda also?

What it means​

Combining the estimates, with their caveats and shortcomings, analysts conclude that Russia loses slightly fewer than two soldiers to death and severe injury for every Ukrainian fighter who suffers the same fate.
This ratio has not allowed Ukraine to overcome Russia’s population and recruitment advantages. At current trends, Ukraine is losing a larger share of its smaller army.

There are currently more than 400,000 Russians facing about 250,000 Ukrainians on the front line, and the gap between the armies is growing, according to the military analyst familiar with Western assessments.
Russia has been able to rebuild and even expand its battered invasion force by tapping into a population that is four times larger than Ukraine’s, carrying out its first draft since World War II and enlisting felons and debtors. The government of Russia’s autocratic president, Vladimir V. Putin, is paying increasing bounties to new recruits, and recently began pressing people accused of crimes to enlist in exchange for dismissing charges.

These recruitment efforts brought Russia between 600 and 1,000 new fighters a day last year, according to Russian financial statistics. Kyiv matched this rate only briefly in that period.
North Korea also sent about 11,000 soldiers to aid Moscow’s forces in the Kursk region of southern Russia, where the Ukrainians captured territory last summer.

Mr. Zelensky’s need to contend with public opinion has led his government to delay an unpopular draft, and then left it struggling to enforce it. Some men have gone into hiding to evade conscription, or bribed draft officers to obtain an exemption. Ukraine’s tardy recruitment of convicts has produced a small fraction of fighters who had enlisted from Russian prisons.

The recruitment gap ultimately shapes the battlefield. Russia is losing more men. But every Ukrainian casualty edges the Kremlin closer to victory.
 
There's a heated debate on the internet about this video right now if this is a war crime or not

Obviously I cant post the video because its graphic

Basically a female russian soldier is seen by a Ukraine drone operator and she sees it and she starts begging for her life. Then the drone bombs her and loses half her body but she still alive trying to crawl away. Then the drone bombs her again and this time her head explodes and she's dead.

People are saying everything is fair in war that there's no such thing as a crime in war. Others are saying she didn't surrender and it's fair game.

What do you guys think? is this a war crime or business as usual?

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There's a heated debate on the internet about this video right now if this is a war crime or not

Obviously I cant post the video because its graphic

Basically a female russian soldier is seen by a Ukraine drone operator and she sees it and she starts begging for her life. Then the drone bombs her and loses half her body but she still alive trying to crawl away. Then the drone bombs her again and this time her head explodes and she's dead.

People are saying everything is fair in war that there's no such thing as a crime in war. Others are saying she didn't surrender and it's fair game.

What do you guys think? is this a war crime or business as usual?

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Whats there to debate...she's off invading another country...what did she expect
 
Drone warfare is nuts. But she’s a uniformed soldier, you can’t exactly surrender to a bomb drone.
 
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I'd say if she was captured, surrendered her weapon and then was killed I feel differently.

But the drone operator can't just let an enemy combatant, an invader no less, just go.

Maybe this will help convince people that war is not a game. It has real lives being loss. And it's "normal people", not those at the top in the ivory towers.
 
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Would she have had the same sympathy if the shoes were on the other foot? I think not, so negative, this is a casualty of war, not a war crime.

And to top it off, is Russia now forcing women to go to the front lines? Seems to me, this Woman wanted to be in that situation.
 
It's nasty but drones don't always have the ability to escort surrenderers to POW camps. She'd have had to defect and surrender proactively by whatever channel Ukraine set up or stayed home by going into hiding or breaking her own leg to be unfit for service

No war crime, Putin's just a POS for putting her there
 
I watched the video clip on Denys's telegram channel and maybe I missed it, but at what point did she raise her hands, wave a white flag, or do anything else consistent with surrender? It seemed like she was trying to wave it away or do something akin to "come on bro just let me be/leave me alone" which is not the same as surrendering.

You know what is a clear cut war crime? Six Ukrainians surrendered, Russians lined them up and then executed them point blank....


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"In the video, the occupiers recorded their own crime — shooting six Ukrainian soldiers who were captured in the back," he wrote in a social media post.

The video, which has spread across social media, could not be verified by AFP and there was no immediate comment from Moscow on the claims.

It appears to show Russian soldiers in a muddied frontline area ordering the Ukrainian troops to a clearing where they are then shot in the back one by one.

"I am once again sending information about this crime to the UN and the ICRC [International Committee of the Red Cross]. These facts must be recorded," Lubinets added.

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@Strychnine
Is this blatantly false propaganda also?

What it means​

Combining the estimates, with their caveats and shortcomings, analysts conclude that Russia loses slightly fewer than two soldiers to death and severe injury for every Ukrainian fighter who suffers the same fate.
This ratio has not allowed Ukraine to overcome Russia’s population and recruitment advantages. At current trends, Ukraine is losing a larger share of its smaller army.

There are currently more than 400,000 Russians facing about 250,000 Ukrainians on the front line, and the gap between the armies is growing, according to the military analyst familiar with Western assessments.
Russia has been able to rebuild and even expand its battered invasion force by tapping into a population that is four times larger than Ukraine’s, carrying out its first draft since World War II and enlisting felons and debtors. The government of Russia’s autocratic president, Vladimir V. Putin, is paying increasing bounties to new recruits, and recently began pressing people accused of crimes to enlist in exchange for dismissing charges.

These recruitment efforts brought Russia between 600 and 1,000 new fighters a day last year, according to Russian financial statistics. Kyiv matched this rate only briefly in that period.
North Korea also sent about 11,000 soldiers to aid Moscow’s forces in the Kursk region of southern Russia, where the Ukrainians captured territory last summer.

Mr. Zelensky’s need to contend with public opinion has led his government to delay an unpopular draft, and then left it struggling to enforce it. Some men have gone into hiding to evade conscription, or bribed draft officers to obtain an exemption. Ukraine’s tardy recruitment of convicts has produced a small fraction of fighters who had enlisted from Russian prisons.

The recruitment gap ultimately shapes the battlefield. Russia is losing more men. But every Ukrainian casualty edges the Kremlin closer to victory.

Is Ukraine still self-governing?

If it is, then Ukraine is winning.
 
Well it’s not fair. It didn’t have to happen

But what is or isn’t a war crime depends entirely on who wins the war…and if they won the war throughly enough to be in a position to dole out “justice” for “crimes” perpetrated by their opponent. Which is usually just them killing their opponent.

If Russia wins a decisive victory like taking Kiev. Then they will likely execute somebody for this particular “war crime” but for now it’s just Wars hell.

The reality is there aren’t crimes in war. The people who believe in the concept of war crimes tend to call everything a war crime. They tend to call every war an “illegal war” as well. Those types also believe The Hague is a big deal and that “international law” is binding.
 
retreating soldiers are off limits. this is a war crime, if the evidence is as you say it is.
 
War is hell. This is happening on both sides btw

The elites in charge of this war should be jailed when its all said and done - so much lost life.. and for what?? What the fuck are these people dying for??

It's all insane and unwarranted. Put the fucking leaders on the frontlines and see how long the war lasts.
 
I'd say if she was captured, surrendered her weapon and then was killed I feel differently.

But the probe operator can't just let an enemy combatant, an invader no less, just go.

Maybe this will help convince people that war is not a game. It has real lives being loss. And it's "normal people", not those at the top in the ivory towers.

So did everything American soldier who died in Iraq deserve it in your opinion? How about Americans who died in Afghanistan or Vietnam?
 
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