International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

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calavera2 said:
You mean Russian imperialism and hegemony in direct opposition to the west...to the tune of nuclear warfare threats...

Ukrainians are fighting against an invading horde of Russians who are hell bent on annihilating them...a Ukraine that wants to turn its country to the west like many former soviet colonies...its an objectively good thing for the west to fund this.
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And there have been benefits for us, besides for helping Ukraine out. The amount of information we've gathered on Russian military capability (or lack thereof), combined with the damage Russia's incurred, both to their own military and aspects of their economy, are significant.
 
calavera2 said:
It makes you look disingenuous to not assign the cause of Ukrainian deaths where they actually belong...at the firing of bullets, missiles, rockets, incendiary rounds, and chemical weapons launched from Russian arms...it just makes your argument have no redeeming persuasive value.
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If I shoot a gun at you and you you grab some other guy and use his head to catch the bullet. Who killed him?
 
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Ruthless Ryan said:
Not sure who these correspondents are but this special operation could not have gone any better. As long as they dont spread themselves too thin this is affecting Russia big time in many ways.
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Well I think the purpose is to make Russia kick them out. Russia knows that this is, a very obvious, feint. So Russia is not rotating troops off the most critical theaters, as I understand they've rotated like 10 battalions worth and none from the Donetsk theater. Russia is trying to commit as little as possible to kicking them out, but it's a balance, because if you don't commit enough, they'll stay longer.

They (the Ukrainians) will go until they meet meaningful resistance, at which point they'll retreat, but right now Russia is in that intricate position of trying to figure out what is the minimum commitment they need to put together a meaningful resistance, and Ukraine is just waiting to react to that.
 
Anewt said:
Well... yes plenty of Ukrainians have already been sent to fight against their will. And more and more will.

It's a undeniable reality

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Same for Russians…War sucks. I was just countering the notion that it’s the West’s fault that Russia invaded Ukraine.
 
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Conscription is state sanctioned slavery and murder. And for what? Poor and working class people killing each other for no apparent reason other than to fatten the pockets of the elites on both sides. Should be resisted at all costs. Worry about yourself and your family and fuck all of these psychopathic politicians and the elites who own them.
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
If I shoot a gun at you and you you grab some other guy and use his head to catch the bullet. Who killed him?
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this is analogy does not add up at all, it is almost as mindless as your take that Ukraine has their version of a KKK so Russia has the right to conquer them.
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It must be so nice living in a world so black and white, where there are so clearly good guys and bad guys and everything the good guys do is for good and everything the bad guys do is for bad. Thankfully the real world is just like your superhero movies!
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I know you are being smug but Putin is unironically the closest thing to a cartoon villain besides Xi Jinping.
 
filthybliss said:
this is analogy does not add up at all, it is almost as mindless as your take that Ukraine has their version of a KKK so Russia has the right to conquer them.
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I've never said that. I've said that history has shown us that arming and training extremists always blows up in our face. It happened with the jihadis and it will happen the azov nazis.
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
I've never said that. I've said that history has shown us that arming and training extremists always blows up in our face. It happened with the jihadis and it will happen the azov nazis.
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Ukrainians are the terrorists here when Russia killing and raping them to expand Putin’s empire?
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
Do you not see how obvious and pathetic your weak straw-manning is? Do you honestly think anyone is buying it?
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Why don’t you answer the question instead of projecting? It’s pretty straight forward…Ukraine’s leader is literally Jewish too so your weird take that “we are funding the nazis” is indeed retarded.
 
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CorninginChristianburg said:
Well I think the purpose is to make Russia kick them out. Russia knows that this is, a very obvious, feint. So Russia is not rotating troops off the most critical theaters, as I understand they've rotated like 10 battalions worth and none from the Donetsk theater. Russia is trying to commit as little as possible to kicking them out, but it's a balance, because if you don't commit enough, they'll stay longer.

They (the Ukrainians) will go until they meet meaningful resistance, at which point they'll retreat, but right now Russia is in that intricate position of trying to figure out what is the minimum commitment they need to put together a meaningful resistance, and Ukraine is just waiting to react to that.
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It's a feint, and I agree with your point, but the message to Russia is clear: they've got a lot of border that they need to start defending, and if they're pretending that's not going to affect man power, they're lying to themselves.

Which, to be fair, isn't unusual.

But they can't be complacent about their own border any longer.
 
Kursk Front:
- The lines seem to be stabilizing. Ukraine isn't making any new gains, but they're starting to entrench against Russian counterattacks.
- In total, Ukraine captured 28 towns and villages, and effectively control about 700km of Russian territory.
- Reportedly up to 6 Ukrainian brigades were involved, along with RDK
- Putin put his former bodyguard, Aleksey Dyumin, in charge of defense of Kursk. He is rumored to be one of the potential successors to Putin.

Donetsk Front:
- Russia is pressing on with its offensive and continues to push Ukraine back, which means the reinforcements heading to the front aren't being pulled from Donbass.
- There was a Russian breakthrough in south of Niu York, which threatens to encircle some Ukrainian defenders.

Kherson Front:
- Ukrainian special forces performed a landing at Kinburn Spit and planted their flag on Russian controlled Kherson in a raid, but it seems like they took about a dozen casualties doing so.
 
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Lindsey Graham wouldn’t know the truth about Ukraine if it fell out of a hypersonic missile, landed in an a.k. 47 and fired itself directly into Putin’s ass.


Nothing makes me more sure about the U.S. moral position in Ukraine than seeing that Lindsey Graham doesn’t have a clue what it is.
 
CorninginChristianburg said:
Well I think the purpose is to make Russia kick them out. Russia knows that this is, a very obvious, feint. So Russia is not rotating troops off the most critical theaters, as I understand they've rotated like 10 battalions worth and none from the Donetsk theater. Russia is trying to commit as little as possible to kicking them out, but it's a balance, because if you don't commit enough, they'll stay longer.

They (the Ukrainians) will go until they meet meaningful resistance, at which point they'll retreat, but right now Russia is in that intricate position of trying to figure out what is the minimum commitment they need to put together a meaningful resistance, and Ukraine is just waiting to react to that.
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It all depends on what the resistance is, I've said earlier we all know Russia's simple gameplan which is to use bombs, missiles and artillery to destroy everything before sending mindless meatwaves in which after huge loses does eventually gain them some ground. Are they going to be able to fight that way in Russia? I doubt it, At this point UKR might have the better equipment and technology if they were bold enough to do this. As long as they dont get stretched to thin I think they should go as far as they can assuming risk of loses of course.
 
I think what a lot of people aren't accounting for in the incursion is that Ukraine has pretty clearly demonstrated through out this war that they are substantially better at maneuver warfare.

The rules of attackers facing large attrition go out the window when you're going up against unfortified positions while being backed up by a substantial localized fire advantage and are better at maneuver warfare.

The convoy strike alone likely resulted in as many dead Russians as the Ukranian incursion if not more.

That's my armchair analysis.
 
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