International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[GhostZ06]

Whatever side of this you're on, however you feel about the US giving Ukraine aid, obviously the US government sees a strategic benefit to helping Ukraine, whatever that is.

Meow don't cry about Ukraine aid if you support aid to Israel and have no issues with them cucking our government.

A weak threat in Europe means we can dedicate our military might in the pacific/China and while also pushing NATO allies be stronger.


our main threat is china, an always has been. I'd be nice if the russians thought the same way. They use to .

 

[PEB]

It's funny watching Lindsey Graham morph from Trump loving butt kisser to thanking Biden again an again. It's like you have seen this movie a few times already. Graham spine must be more flexible then a Cirque du Solei performer one.

 

[calavera2]

It's funny watching Lindsey Graham morph from Trump loving butt kisser to thanking Biden again an again. It's like you have seen this movie a few times already. Graham spine must be more flexible then a Cirque du Solei performer one.

what spine...that guy is a cartoon character of a politician come to life...just amazing to watch...but then we live in the Trump political era and nothing is quite so outrageous anymore.

 

[SandisLL]

A weak threat in Europe means we can dedicate our military might in the pacific/China and while also pushing NATO allies be stronger.


our main threat is china, an always has been. I'd be nice if the russians thought the same way. They use to .

China's vassal is Russia, supported by North Korea, Iran and Belarus...Russia de facto is China's main strategic partner....and vassal with Tzar in Putin.

 

[SandisLL]

Belarus obviously most likely due to pressure from China ....had relocated chinesse missiles used by Polonez launchers from Poland/ Lithuanian borders to Ukr borders with Belarus....Xi not likely today will allow Lukashenko to use chinesse missiles against EU countries ....
Therefore better is to threat Ukraine with these Polonez launchers equipped with Chinesse missiles....

 

[Nameless King]

It makes me wonder how Putin response will determine Trump actions if he gets in power. Trump himself said that he will force a peace very quickly. Clearly Putin don't want to talk with Ukr anymore and Trump already said that if Russia won't talk to Ukr then he will arm Ukr to the teeth.

Will see.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Well... yes plenty of Ukrainians have already been sent to fight against their will. And more and more will.

It's a undeniable reality

We are talking about conscription though which isn’t the same thing. I’ll bet almost none of those conscripts voted to surrender to Russia and allow them to occupy their home and cities. Since they don’t want to surrender, I don’t see it as being against their will but rather a consequence of their nation’s choices as a whole.

My point being no one really wants to go to war and fight to the death. Those volunteers just saw it as their duty. It’s also all these other people’s duty to defend their country.

The people that liked your post ( @aerius an @ColemanwastheGOAT ) are always trying to use conscription as proof that Ukraine does not want to defend itself; then twist it as if the US arming them is forcing the country to continue fighting. That’s a lie.

 

[SandisLL]

Trump thinking that he will for long term be able to deal with Putin who does have at least 3 modes: 1. World total hegemony.
2. Empire called Eurasian Empire from Lisbon till Vladivostok.
In worst case version No3 with tanks in East Germany and Berlin. Warshaw block No2 in full extent.

Westerners according to russians are weak idiots. Cope with reality and for idiots I will post reality debiloids never will admit cos they are born in this world to live and die as idiots. ..
Thank you for lend lease from idiots friends was . ...demands to cede recently ceded by buddy gyps* Georigian West Berlin. Since this in Russia westerners are called as weaklings and dumb idiots deserved to die....nothing had changed.

Stalin initially attempted to seize west Berlin but when get that there will be full scale war ...decided to attempt starve out allies located in west Berlin....allies launched air corridor to supply west Berlin and NATO had been founded....

In revenge buddy Stalin had used China and North Korea in order to do first large scale proxy war.
Westerners rightfully are called as weak cocky idiots living in dreams by....russians. weak traitors, historically proven liars and cocky pupps.

 

[Badr Hari]

Ukr forces more than a week in looks like have no intentiona of retreating back to their border. Rybar's map shows today even more attempts by them to go even depeer. Here is Rybar's last post:

In the border area of the Kursk region, Ukrainian troops continue to try to advance northward towards Kurchatov. Ukrainian formations are using aviation to strike the border area - it is noted that they used JDAM-ER guided bombs on a local grain storage facility in Tetkino.

In the Korenevsky district, Russian troops are repelling attacks on the approaches to the settlements of Kauchuk and Alekseevsky, surrounded on several sides by forest belts and a reservoir. Footage of an attack on an abandoned enemy armored vehicle on the highway north of Kauchuk with a Lancet loitering munition has also appeared online. Tanks were similarly hit a few days ago in Novoivanovka, and before that in Zeleny Shlyakh.

In the Sudzhansky district, Russian troops hit the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Oleshny, Mykhailivka and Sudzha. According to preliminary data, in Sumy, a strike was carried out on the Sumy Cardiology Center and the hospital for war veterans, where members of the Ukrainian formations are being treated. In order to reduce the "leaks" of information about the movements of Ukrainian equipment and the results of fire damage, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine imposed restrictions on the movement of civilians in the 20-kilometer zone of the Sumy region: now only local citizens registered at their place of residence can be there.

At the same time, the configuration of the front in Plekhovo, southeast of Sudzha, was clarified: footage of drone strikes on enemy armored vehicles at the exit from the village was published. This confirms that the settlement was previously lost to the Russian Armed Forces.

Voluntary evacuation of the population has begun in Bolshesoldatsky District, authorities are collecting lists of citizens wishing to leave the region.

In Belovsky District, Russian troops are clearing the area adjacent to the settlement of Ozerki. Most likely, it was from here that Ukrainian formations carried out an unsuccessful raid on Giri yesterday.

 

[Badr Hari]

Dmitry Medvedev promised "the most diverse consequences" for the Ukrainian leadership for the attack on the Kursk region.

"This punishment implies the most diverse consequences for those who did it, including the leadership of the Kyiv regime," said the deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

Medvedev also emphasized that United Russia must do everything to help the affected residents of the Kursk region.

 

[irish_thug]

Great movie with a cameo by the late, great, B.B. King.

"Would you gentlemen care for a Pepsi?!?"

I saw BB in concert back in the early 90's. God level.

 

[SandisLL]

Orban and Fico does wants EU to end any military assistance and deliveries in order to make nice peace deal. I think they in reality does want to have ground border with their friends in Matushka.

France will continue to supply lethal aid in 2024 th regardless from EC/ EP opinion and lethal aid will be delivered as had been planned. Macron.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[filthybliss]

Poots seems to be deepthroating Islamic Regimes for more military support now.

Russia to receive hundreds of ballistic missiles from Iran in near future, Reuters reports

Russia will receive hundreds of Fath-360 and other ballistic missiles from Iran in the near future following an agreement signed in December 2023 between Moscow and Tehran, intelligence sources revealed to Reuters on Aug. 9.

kyivindependent.com

 

[Badr Hari]

The enemy does not reduce its efforts to expand the control zone, acting in mobile groups on armored fighting vehicles. The enemy considers the territory marked in yellow to be the territory where it has relatively firmly established itself. The gray zone is the area of its raiding operations, including for demonstration purposes.

It is clear that by allowing its bloggers to publish such schemes in the public domain, the enemy is also pursuing propaganda goals. At the same time, combat footage of enemy armored fighting vehicles preliminarily confirms the work of the Ukrainian Armed Forces east of the village of Kauchuk. In addition, data is now coming in about the enemy's entry into the settlement of Spalnoye.

Thus, burning its armored fighting vehicles near Martynovka for the last three days against our defenses, the enemy is trying to break into villages with raiding operations and, if possible, hold them. In addition, the enemy's aspirations to operate in the Kromskie Byki - Lyubimovka direction in order to find opportunities to reach Kurchatov bypassing the main nodes of our defense remain.

(two majors rus telegram)

 

[curryjunkie]

some youtube channel "inside russia" reckons Gerasimov is gone

 

[Cole train]

some youtube channel "inside russia" reckons Gerasimov is gone

Defence ministry is going through a "cleansing" right now

3 generals charged with corruption and still investigations going so more heads likely will fall

 

[Anewt]

We are talking about conscription though which isn’t the same thing. I’ll bet almost none of those conscripts voted to surrender to Russia and allow them to occupy their home and cities. Since they don’t want to surrender, I don’t see it as being against their will but rather a consequence of their nation’s choices as a whole.

I'll bet plenty of Ukrainians don't wish the war to continue mate. There's far to many with Russian family and friends. It's a undeniable reality that men have been sent to fight against their will. .

If Im not willing to fight. Whateve reason. Cowardice. Russian family. Responsibilities you consider more valuable. ( family ) pacificism. Political etc etc . And you force me to go to war. You can't spin that to well its not against my will because it's the nation's choice. That's now how a man's will works for me

There's never been a vote heh .

Slight differences ln our pov on this as I put more focus on the individual as per usual

My point being no one really wants to go to war and fight to the death. Those volunteers just saw it as their duty. It’s also all these other people’s duty to defend their country.

Not disputing that.

The people that liked your post ( @aerius an @ColemanwastheGOAT ) are always trying to use conscription as proof that Ukraine does not want to defend itself; then twist it as if the US arming them is forcing the country to continue fighting. That’s a lie.

Well I'm not arguing that.



Here's the most recent polling I could find from a Ukrainian source.



An opinion poll released by the Zerkalo Tizhnya news outlet in mid-July showed that 44 percent of Ukrainians are ready for peace talks – the highest such number since the full-scale Russian invasion began in February 2022.

Only 23 percent of Ukrainians wanted such talks in May 2023, according to a similar poll, when Ukraine was jubilant about Russia’s retreat from several key areas in late 2022 and overwhelmingly believed in the success of an upcoming counteroffensive.

The July 15 survey showed, however, that 35 percent of Ukrainians were opposed to talks of any kind.

Two-thirds of those polled said they still believed in Kyiv’s military triumph over Moscow, and 51 percent said the return of all occupied areas – including the Crimean Peninsula, annexed in 2014 – was a condition for any peace deal.

almost half are ready for peace talks and half are accepting of conceding territory...

there's unwilling men being sent to fight and die. More than ever before actually...You can add the caveats like they voted to not surrender. And it's a consequence of their nation’s choices...

If its all willing you don't have to lower the draft age. Increase minimum jail time and removes the workers protections and draft people off the street.

Not add more ways to force unwilling conscripts.


In fairness though. It is far more justified than Russian conscription

 

[SandisLL]

Regardless from decisions made in EC/ EP and it's " allies " and despite any threats Netherlands will continue to deliver lethal aid in 2014 th. Admiral Bauer.
Admiral had stated that ( weaklings )
immediately should rack up supplies in order to maintain friendly and peaceful scene in europe....

 

[Blayt7hh]

I'll bet plenty of Ukrainians don't wish the war to continue mate. There's far to many with Russian family and friends. It's a undeniable reality that men have been sent to fight against their will. .

If Im not willing to fight. Whateve reason. Cowardice. Russian family. Responsibilities you consider more valuable. ( family ) pacificism. Political etc etc . And you force me to go to war. You can't spin that to well its not against my will because it's the nation's choice. That's now how a man's will works for me

There's never been a vote heh .

Slight differences ln our pov on this as I put more focus on the individual as per usual



Not disputing that.


Well I'm not arguing that.



Here's the most recent polling I could find from a Ukrainian source.



An opinion poll released by the Zerkalo Tizhnya news outlet in mid-July showed that 44 percent of Ukrainians are ready for peace talks – the highest such number since the full-scale Russian invasion began in February 2022.

Only 23 percent of Ukrainians wanted such talks in May 2023, according to a similar poll, when Ukraine was jubilant about Russia’s retreat from several key areas in late 2022 and overwhelmingly believed in the success of an upcoming counteroffensive.

The July 15 survey showed, however, that 35 percent of Ukrainians were opposed to talks of any kind.

Two-thirds of those polled said they still believed in Kyiv’s military triumph over Moscow, and 51 percent said the return of all occupied areas – including the Crimean Peninsula, annexed in 2014 – was a condition for any peace deal.

almost half are ready for peace talks and half are accepting of conceding territory...

there's unwilling men being sent to fight and die. More than ever before actually...You can add the caveats like they voted to not surrender. And it's a consequence of their nation’s choices...

If its all willing you don't have to lower the draft age. Increase minimum jail time and removes the workers protections and draft people off the street.

Not add more ways to force unwilling conscripts.


In fairness though. It is far more justified than Russian conscription

You’re trying to shotgun a lot here. It’s not that I don’t value the individual. What you’re suggesting is not practical. Like I already said, outside of some weirdos no one actually wants to go fight a war, so relying on volunteers to man your defense is really just taking advantage of the less selfish segment of society. Yeah I am not cool with that.

I don’t know what vote you’re getting at here. They voted for their representatives and they voted on their laws that were in place before the war began. Even by the polling data you shared, as of 2023 a strong majority wanted to keep fighting.

I don’t want to dig too much into this poll but all I have to go on is what you shared. I would point to the fact that all it says is “are ready for peace talks”. That is obviously vague and does not mean they are willing to make peace on any terms Russia finds acceptable.

If the populace was truly opposed to Kyiv continuing to defend itself, I feel like we would see a lot of big protests. To my knowledge the only protesting I’ve seen was against the draft itself. You wanna guess what my opinion is of the people that want to wage war but not be sent out to fight it is?