International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

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SandisLL said:
Please describe for us what stuff according to you is Patriot system and how you are defining pharse " all system destroyed " etc alike. The same btw about S-300 system.
Describe elements and distance between these in battle conditions not in parade or military expo videos...

I'm interested how you determine phrase " battery destroyed "?
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Radar and 2 launchers are confirmed destroyed, and judging from the blast the personnel too. That particular battery is no longer combat effective.

 
Orgasmo said:
Radar and 2 launchers are confirmed destroyed, and judging from the blast the personnel too. That particular battery is no longer combat effective.

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This video looks like simulation game....battery isn't relocated in such manner with dense order in narrow column during wartime.

While yeah, Ukr had been forced to admit that 2 S-300 radars had been smashed and 1 launcher too, so this battery definitely will not be usable until radars will be replaced.
About Patriot: Ukr might replace launchers even easier than S-300 launchers and they are cheap and easy to produce quickly....
Missiles ofc are more problem: expensive and not easy to produce quickly...
 
If about IRIS-T ukr had admitted that 2 radars had been gone and Germany had delivered replacements for these.

As for Patriot: 1 launcher, generator set, some bunch with communication cables... these are replaced.
 
If about critique regards to Obama and Sarkozi I don't agree completely. They at least had balls when Medvedv ( LOL) was in office.
Obama instead of remowing navy from Black Sea had installed addional frigate and Nicola told : we too do have nukes...
With this then occupation of all Georgia had been prevented. . Otherwise.....damn.
 
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Allegedly sending troops forward with knives?!?! A Russian soldier's phone found with texts like "If you go to war, then you should try human flesh. If you don't then why go to war in the first place?"

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ferrisjso said:
War crimes are war crimes and I do not support them. Number 2 would be understandable if and only if the POW was a Nazi. But if not I condemm that one too and write it off as the consequences of digging into the most violent depths of the prison system for soldiers. And thats my first thought upon reading that.
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That’s very telling coming from a guy who openly supports a fashist, authoritarian system just because they are against “evil west”.

Total clown.
 
Wetarmpits said:
That’s very telling coming from a guy who openly supports a fashist, authoritarian system just because they are against “evil west”.

Total clown.
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You do not know what words mean. I'm not doing this BS. Take a shower.
 
ferrisjso said:
You do not know what words mean. I'm not doing this BS. Take a shower.
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Fact: Putin kills or jails his opposition. The Russian public are not allowed to speak out against his rule without fear of prison at the very least. The ruling class lives off the public largess, with the caveat that if they speak out, they go out the window. This is what you support. Not democracy, which we've already established you hate because you're upset it hasn't worked out well enough for you, but rather an authoritarian that rules with an iron fist and subjugates his people. I'm curious... what do you think life would have been like for you if you had been born there instead of here? Eh? Ehhhh?
 
ferrisjso said:
You do not know what words mean. I'm not doing this BS. Take a shower.
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You are a mentally teenager trying to be edgy in here because of highly questionable, self-centred reasons. Your whole “socialist bravado” (sic) is only serving your poor ego.

Clown.

And I’m being very generous in calling you just that.
 
Limbo Pete said:
Fact: Putin kills or jails his opposition. The Russian public are not allowed to speak out against his rule without fear of prison at the very least. The ruling class lives off the public largess, with the caveat that if they speak out, they go out the window. This is what you support. Not democracy, which we've already established you hate because you're upset it hasn't worked out well enough for you, but rather an authoritarian that rules with an iron fist and subjugates his people. I'm curious... what do you think life would have been like for you if you had been born there instead of here? Eh? Ehhhh?
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Oh fuck off capitalist swine who considers human rights to be entitlement.

Do you even respond to this thread when I'm not posting?
 
ferrisjso said:
Oh fuck off capitalist swine who considers human rights to be entitlement.

Do you even respond to this thread when I'm not posting?
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You do realize that in Russia human rights actually are a for-profit commodity run by gangsters lmao
The brain worms have completely divorced you from reality
 
Tearing apart a Russian made car that was financed with UAE? So much being friends with Arab countries lol. 400,000 US.

 

Ukraine rejects pope’s call to ‘raise the white flag’ to end Russia’s war​

The Catholic leader, 87, told a Swiss broadcaster that Ukraine should negotiate with Russia and raised the idea of surrender.

Ukraine has rejected Pope Francis’s call to hold negotiations with Russia more than two years into its invasion, saying that Kyiv will “never” surrender.

“Our flag is a yellow and blue one. This is the flag by which we live, die, and prevail. We shall never raise any other flags,” Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said on social media Sunday, a day after the pope said Kyiv should “have the courage to raise the white flag”.

The 87-year-old Catholic leader said in an interview with Swiss broadcaster RTS that Ukraine should negotiate with Russia, which has seized large swathes of Ukrainian territory since it launched its full-scale invasion in February 2022.

In part of the interview released on Saturday, the Catholic leader raised the prospect of surrender.

“I believe that the strongest are those who see the situation, think about the people, and have the courage to raise the white flag and negotiate,” Pope Francis said in an interview that the Vatican said was conducted in early February.

Kuleba called on the pope to stand “on the side of good” and not put the opposing sides “on the same footing and call it ‘negotiations'”.

Kuleba also appeared to reference some Catholic church collaboration with Nazi forces during World War II when he said the following: “At the same time, when it comes to the white flag, we know this Vatican strategy from the first half of the 20th century.”

“I urge to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past and to support Ukraine and its people in their just struggle for their lives,” Kuleba added.


He also thanked Pope Francis for his “constant prayers for peace” and said Kyiv hoped he would visit Ukraine.

“We continue to hope that after two years of devastating war in the heart of Europe, the Pontiff will find an opportunity to pay an Apostolic visit to Ukraine to support over a million Ukrainian Catholics, over five million Greek-Catholics and all Ukrainians,” Kuleba said.

The foreign minister of Poland, a vocal ally of Kyiv, also condemned the pope’s remarks.

“How about, for balance, encouraging Putin to have the courage to withdraw his army from Ukraine? Peace would immediately ensue without the need for negotiations,” Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said in a post on X.

In a separate post, Sikorski made parallels between those calling for negotiations while “denying [Ukraine] the means to defend itself” and European leaders’ “appeasement” of Adolf Hitler before World War II.


Andrii Yurash, Ukraine’s ambassador to the Holy See, compared the pope’s comments to calls for “talking with Hitler” while raising “a white flag to satisfy him”.

Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, the head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, also said Sunday that surrender is not on the minds of Ukrainians.

“Ukraine is wounded, but unconquered! Ukraine is exhausted, but it stands and will endure. Believe me, it never crosses anyone’s mind to surrender. Even where there is fighting today: listen to our people in Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Odesa, Kharkiv, Sumy,” he said.

Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni later clarified that the pope supported “a stop to hostilities [and] a truce achieved with the courage of negotiations”, rather than an outright Ukrainian surrender.

While Pope Francis has tried to maintain the Vatican’s traditional diplomatic neutrality, he has also expressed some sympathy with the Russian rationale for invading Ukraine, such as when he noted that NATO was “barking at Russia’s door” with its eastward expansion.

Ukraine has remained steadfast on not engaging directly with Russia on peace talks, with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy saying multiple times that peace negotiations must come from the country that has been invaded.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...ct-popes-call-to-raise-white-flag-with-russia
 


All I could hear is blah blah blah blah whatever I was looking at something else but it turns out she points out US based companies still being sold in Russia.
 
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Putin isnt any kind of "defender of socialism", he's the outgrowth of the shift to nationalist capitalism post USSR who the west gradually lost control of.

His whole power base was built on working with the various Oligachs.
 
 
Lockheed Martin going to rapidly expand production capacity in Europe thanks to Putin and Trump. They will not say Trump's name but they understand how serious the situation is and they know the damage Trump could represent to freedom not business.


Comment from Lockheed:
"For more than 70 years we have been a trusted partner to NATO and our European allies. Today’s security situation requires technology and programs that allow allies to work as one force and stay ahead of growing threats." Trump butt lickers will say they are doing this to expand war no they doing to stop Putin expansion trolls. Those jobs could have been in the US if the chances of a Trump presidency will forever damage these NATO relationships.

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