International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[calavera2]

You're right they've been explicit in their aims from the beginning - keeping NATO out of Ukraine. They said there were red lines, USA crossed them. They said there were 'brightest red lines', USA crossed them too. Putin still tried to dodge conflict with the Minsk accords, they didn't work (Fra/Ger leaders now openly said they were 'just an excuse to buy time').

The easiest way for you to get it might be that shortly after the invasion, Putin again offered a peace treaty (amongst other things, which would keep Donbass in Ukraine). The Ukranians were ready to accept the treaty.
But the Americans blocked it. If America wanted peace, why would they block a peace treaty that the Ukrainians were willing to accept? - because they wanted the war. It really is that simple. What other reason?

Now it's clear they can't destabilise/cause regime change in Russia via this route any more, Nudelman has resigned and USA is going to throw Ukraine away. Expect an increase in anti-China articles to start taking its place.

Tortured logic with little base in reality. Ukraine and its people have agency over their own desire to either be a Russian vassal or another successful country allied with the west. They made their choice and Russia invaded. This scenario has been repeated since the fall of the soviet union several times. At each instance these post soviet allies and countries choose the west...the reasons need not be explained as it is obvious.

The easiest way for you to understand this is to look at what has transpired vs what has been said. Ukraine chose to move west and Russia invaded instead of losing another country to the west. You fail to understand that NATO is not moving east but former Russian satellites are running west.

You can't idiotically claim the US wanted war when it was the Russians that invaded....even at their own insistence they would not...its just asinine to make this claim

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

There has been no visual confirmation of losses in the past 2 weeks other than Ukrainian claims. Also Telegram channels did not report reduction in intensity of bombings despite claims of shot downs.

Yes there has, do you still stand by your claim of UKR being liquidated from Krynky?

 

[Orgasmo]

Yes there has, do you still stand by your claim of UKR being liquidated from Krynky?

Show it then. I stand by my claim that Ukraine is getting its ass handed to them in Krynki in a pointless beachhead.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Show it then. I stand by my claim that Ukraine is getting its ass handed to them in Krynki in a pointless beachhead.

They have not been any claims they have been forced out form Krynki aside from you, Russians are running down the road of death and killing themselves like they always have. It's a turkey shoot for UKR that's why they keep it. And the Jet losses are coming from both sides not going to bother showing you crap you wont believe anyhow. Do you believe they lost another ship today?

 

[Orgasmo]

They have not been any claims they have been forced out form Krynki aside from you, Russians are running down the road of death and killing themselves like they always have. It's a turkey shoot for UKR that's why they keep it. And the Jet losses are coming from both sides not going to bother showing you crap you wont believe anyhow. Do you believe they lost another ship today?

There is a clear video of the corvette being sunk while none available of the supposed Su-34 shot downs. Certainly you're not able to produce any as of now.

As far as Krynki is concerned, I was premature after reading a claim on a Telegram channel. Ukrainians continue to reinforce a beachhead they cannot expand where they are outgunned as they continue their mythical counteroffensive. See? I don't double down on info that turned out to be false. One day you'll learn to the do the same.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

There is a clear video of the corvette being sunk while none available of the supposed Su-34 shot downs. Certainly you're not able to produce any as of now.

As far as Krynki is concerned, I was premature after reading a claim on a Telegram channel. Ukrainians continue to reinforce a beachhead they cannot expand where they are outgunned as they continue their mythical counteroffensive. See? I don't double down on info that turned out to be false. One day you'll learn to the do the same.

The Russian Jet losses arnt even a debate as both sides admit as much, although none in last 2 days as Russian pilots have stood down. I dont get my info from Shogui like you do. It's not hard to find out about Russian aviation loses unless you dont want to.

 

[Orgasmo]

The Russian Jet losses arnt even a debate as both sides admit as much, although none in last 2 days as Russian pilots have stood down. I dont get my info from Shogui like you do. It's not hard to find out about Russian aviation loses unless you dont want to.

If you have proof, present it and it will be settled. That's 12 to 14 Su-34 Ukraine claimed to have shot down in the past 2 weeks. Surely there is some photographic or video evidence for it.

Right now you're doing the War Room equivalent of "my girlfriend goes to another school".

 

[SandisLL]

Tortured logic with little base in reality. Ukraine and its people have agency over their own desire to either be a Russian vassal or another successful country allied with the west. They made their choice and Russia invaded. This scenario has been repeated since the fall of the soviet union several times. At each instance these post soviet allies and countries choose the west...the reasons need not be explained as it is obvious.

The easiest way for you to understand this is to look at what has transpired vs what has been said. Ukraine chose to move west and Russia invaded instead of losing another country to the west. You fail to understand that NATO is not moving east but former Russian satellites are running west.

You can't idiotically claim the US wanted war when it was the Russians that invaded....even at their own insistence they would not...its just asinine to make this claim

Don't waste time with him.
Putin had told that Hitler was forced to start World War 2! Imagine? So such logic does have Putin!!! Excuses....

 

[SandisLL]

One example from real world not Kremlin's propaganda world ....why Moldova now wants to be in EU.

In 1992 th living standards in Moldova were higher than in Romania, unemployment % lesser, households debts lower etc...
While Romania runned around the world in begging for loans in order to save country from default...

Romania choosed west and now their economic situation is better than in Moldova, pensions are higher, unemployment lower and now ppl from Moldova are lurking how to get job or business or both... .in Romania.
Investors prefer to invest money in Romania not in Moldova....even investors from Moldova!

Ofc a lot of ppl in Moldovs wants to change their situation therefore idea about EU membership....while they does had nicely created by KGB friends Transistria region....and now trolls find superdeadly biolabs in Moldova, oppressed separatists in Moldova and other casual bullshit....
Prepare for action is brainwashing and neutrality doesn't help in relationships with Russia at all.
History had multiple times proved this reality......

 

[Limbo Pete]

Tortured logic with little base in reality. Ukraine and its people have agency over their own desire to either be a Russian vassal or another successful country allied with the west. They made their choice and Russia invaded. This scenario has been repeated since the fall of the soviet union several times. At each instance these post soviet allies and countries choose the west...the reasons need not be explained as it is obvious.

The easiest way for you to understand this is to look at what has transpired vs what has been said. Ukraine chose to move west and Russia invaded instead of losing another country to the west. You fail to understand that NATO is not moving east but former Russian satellites are running west.

You can't idiotically claim the US wanted war when it was the Russians that invaded....even at their own insistence they would not...its just asinine to make this claim

Not to mention Russia already shares plenty of border with NATO. Their entire tortured reasoning is backwards as fuck; being in NATO doesn't exist as some sort of provocation or excuse for Russia to invade, it actually keeps Russia OUT.

 

[SandisLL]

Common thing for propaganda is that EU subsidies and grants are reason for improvement while are clueless that these are burden not benefit because all these are coming if you too invest something and follow EU standards for agriculture etc, also waste handling and management etc and there it is very expensive.

Best benefit from EU membership is that they does have common laws to protect investors legal rights therefore investors are more willing to invest....
Also to do businesses with EU companies, to be a student etc in EU is easier if you are from EU country ....
This is what it is....
Also to find job or purchase mortgage or establish company, to become a student in other EU country is easier if you are from other EU member country : for short term staying in other EU country you don't need visa../ permit so you have lesser bireucracy burden and expenses...and might travel and lurk where you want to stay, purchase property or open business or your company branch in other country...
Also it is easier to travel around to find college or uni where you want to be a student...
You might easier to travel for business deals or lurking for job offers cos for short term you don't need relatively bireucratic visa process etc...

 

[SandisLL]

I'm living in EU and a bit curious why ukr Farmers might dream that if Ukr will be in EU then golden age with Santa Claus donating money for nothing will be in Ukraine.

For example a lot of co funding programms required your co investments.
As a Farmer you need to follow EU normatives about waste and manure handling and managment, pesticides and herbicides usage etc etc....

One example: one Farmer had cow farm and enough skills and additional funding and he had build manure handling facility...had invested a bit of his own savings, borrowed money from bank and then get this " Grant " from EU ...
Another Farmer had too low profit from his cow farm and after consultations decided to sent his cows to slaughtery.
I know both these cos I had sold them construction materials...

 

[SandisLL]

Putin will press as max possible regardless from KIAs , ships and airplanes till elections.
It is pride question...
He knows that he will be elected but he wants high % of voters attending elections....therefore this max possible pressing on Ukr.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[SandisLL]

I will tell awful thing for Ukraine IF these rumors are true and by logic it most likely is reality
Putin is continuing to build fortifications in occupied areas and is using for this task experienced tradesmans not mobiks....
Donbas is huge mining industry and separatists does have tunnels digging machines and experienced professional tradesmans in this field.

If Ukraine was stupid not to destroy at least tunnels digging machinery in Soledar then things for Ukraine are even worse....
By simple logic Putin really might order to dig a lot of tunnels and does have all tools for this: skilled pros and technique....

 

[nhbfan8080]

They're up to a couple hundred now.

The first Himars was destroyed by an Iskander missile, it was out in the open too long.
Three Abrams tanks also probably have been recently destroyed/disabled recently. Ukraine is really having a bad time without enough shells from the US.

 

[SandisLL]

I will explain pros and cons in EU.
You are Lucky that you might get education for free and if are very good then also stipends and additionally grants on top to student monthly stipend.
Even till PhD you might learn for free if are good enough. Then 0 student loan debts on neck.
Even better : if you aren't enough good for funded place, you might opt to PAY money....
While not in all programms.
Sometimes it is bad choice to opt pay full price and demand to be accepted as student in self financed place cos they does knows students dropout rate in highly demanding programms....
Also depends from area and degree type.
Some employers really are interested had you paid or NO.
For example in some country maybe are huge opportunities to get M.D for free...I you are local...and after M.D you need residency and sorry....hospitals more likely will accept foreigner who had paid cos he is foreigner rather than local who had to pay for studies.
Best chances to get residency contract then is for these Who even were enough good to get stipend on the top. For these is easier to get contract in good hospital.
While foreigners are paying they still might get some grants and if references and Marks are good might get job etc...while then one needs to know local language...
Some foreigners M.D had did in english while PhD in local language ....with thesis in local language and def of thesis in public....and are working in Unis etc and teaching locals.

 

[SandisLL]

The first Himars was destroyed by an Iskander missile, it was out in the open too long.
Three Abrams tanks also probably have been recently destroyed/disabled recently. Ukraine is really having a bad time without enough shells from the US.

This isn't confirmed. Ukraine had ordered a lot of fake HIMARS dummies...hundreds....one dummy cost 30-40 k EUR....

What is confirmed is that 2 HIMARS had been damaged but crews are fine. One was cos mine, another from counter battery fire from shrapnels...

However Ukr confirmed that they needs more missiles for HIMARS....and this is really bad thing ......worse than if some HIMARS aren't usable....

 

[SandisLL]

There are also a lot of bloggers and commentators and even journalists who doesn't have any real thing about air defense.
They might post that S-300 or S-400 or IRIS T or NASAMS battery is one launcher...one truck ...
Guys lurking had to see mil expo videos and are thinking that in combat order battery is bunch with launchers, KP, CP, TuAp and radars deployed in small area like for exibitions....

While in combat order battery elements might have long distance between these. This not only prevents to destroy all battery elements with one strike , this also is MANDATORY for effective missiles usage!
This btw had been taught also for soviet aird defense officers...

 

[MT7]

Tortured logic with little base in reality. Ukraine and its people have agency over their own desire to either be a Russian vassal or another successful country allied with the west. They made their choice and Russia invaded. This scenario has been repeated since the fall of the soviet union several times. At each instance these post soviet allies and countries choose the west...the reasons need not be explained as it is obvious.

The easiest way for you to understand this is to look at what has transpired vs what has been said. Ukraine chose to move west and Russia invaded instead of losing another country to the west. You fail to understand that NATO is not moving east but former Russian satellites are running west.

You can't idiotically claim the US wanted war when it was the Russians that invaded....even at their own insistence they would not...its just asinine to make this claim

Damn straight. The biggest haters of Russia are the ones who used to be occupied by them during Soviet Times. They tasted that Russian life, and didn't like it. I lived there at one time, it's pretty meh. Sure, not as bad as Zimbabwe or Afghanistan, but it doesn't hold a candle to the West. That's why everyone wants that Western life. Heck, even Russians do. Everything associated with the West was considered elite and luxurious when I lived there, and most of their crap was copied from the West including shows, fashion, words and mannerism, food, etc. Migration patterns also confirm this.