International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

Plus additionally soviets had land border with NATO via East Berlin and West Berlin and via west germany and east germany ... with soviet troops stationed and east germany communists too had tanks etc...
Also Turkey vs USSR in Georgia.
Greece via vassal in Bulgaria with their communists...

 

[Limbo Pete]

Plus additionally soviets had land border with NATO via East Berlin and West Berlin and via west germany and east germany ... with soviet troops stationed and east germany communists too had tanks etc...
Also Turkey vs USSR in Georgia.
Greece via vassal in Bulgaria with their communists...

It's all nonsense lol
We all know the actual reason Russia is "threatened" by NATO; any country that joins NATO is off limits for what is happening right now in Ukraine.

 

[SandisLL]

It's all nonsense lol
We all know the actual reason Russia is "threatened" by NATO; any country that joins NATO is off limits for what is happening right now in Ukraine.

Russia is threatened by oppressing russians in africa .
Putin wants to establish naval bases in Togo and Benin.
PMCs are concerned that russian speakers are oppressed in Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, Mali..

 

[SandisLL]

National and other bla bla bla stuff is for mainstream public ....it is war about resources.
Plebs should be brainwashed and guided via propaganda.
"Tell them that they are superiour and they will listen your orders. " Hitler.
" we are the same nation and I will help reduce unemployment ( he did because needed workforce for military industrial complex and mining industry etc ) and inflation, I love greatest nation in world ". Hitler speech part in Austria. 1938.
I will protect german nation and their rights.
Hitler for Suddetenland.

" germans living outside Germany might apply for citizenship " Hitler. 1938.

" In armed forces only citizens are allowed".
" we do not have such restriction for Waffen SS ".
Hitler.

The same flowchart today is working.
" we have foreign volunteers for de naZification "
" here we have volunteers for Waffen SS ....we don't have requirement to be be party member and citizen here "...

btw where in tortured by unemployment in civilian sector in dumbass guy might get job for a living?
police or special operation, mainly this...

On ukr side approx like this too.

More distance from frontline, more jobs for civies in civilian sector...

 

[SandisLL]

I also a bit laugh about ukr debaccle with Taurus missiles.
Ukraine is russo american chinesse and oligarchates colonium ....will be...always...

Ofc mineral deals memorandum isn't enough to make somoene as colonium de facto and de iure.
However ukr had signed this after Trump had told that he will spend 0 cent on ykraine. He had kept his words real, even all approwed in 2024 th stuff isn't yet delivered.
U.S assigned 0 cent for ukr this year and for next year....
And portrayed new sales deals as assitance. LOL.

U.S had refused to sell or supply ukr a bit longer range cruise missiles despite ukr is their colonium and it is....because Ukr even this month is offering tenders for oil and gas fields in ukraine despite Trump doesn't support them.

And crying that germay doesn't want to supply their colonium with Taurus missiles?
Colonium owners are U.S, russia and China.

Europe even doesn't want to deal with this colonium and xx oligarchs. Better to have party and purchase ...
Colonium reconstruction should not be burden for EU taxpayers.
They ( their voters ) now had get that they too does have coal, salt, iron ore...etc....

 

[SandisLL]

Ukraine is like dog.
Master No1 is hitting dog with stick and dog is happy.
Master No2 is yelling on dog that dog is dumb but here dog might get water and some food.
Master No3 is hitting dog with stick and showing bat...

 

[SandisLL]

Ukr most likely will get from EBRD next loan portion, maybe 500. 000. 000 €. With clauses and ....
For heating season. However they doesn't trust ukr warranties, therefore ... will see.

They also will get some 1 500 000 000 € for crap weapons and 3 500 000 000 € for other needs.
Next portions.
Plus maybe next 130 000 000 $ loan from WB.
Maybe IMF will agree to gave next 500 000 000 $.
In September will be next hope session.

And nope, ukr isn't proxy. Despite ppl might dream.
It is resin.
Something will be given if will be sense that otherwise ukr will go 100% 404...always was such realpolitik.
Nothing more.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Russia is apparently on board with non - NATO style guarantees from US which is essentially NATO. US is NATO. Without US NATO is a toothless tiger. So in other words Russia is looking for any exit ramp while saving face...

U.S. offers Ukraine Article 5–style guarantees without NATO membership

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, European leaders, and U.S. President Donald Trump discussed potential security guarantees for Ukraine modeled on NATO’s Article 5 during their talks, CNN reported on Aug. 16, citing European officials.

english.nv.ua

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

My theory is that NATO restricts the extent of its aid to Ukraine because Russia can retaliate by aiding Iran more.

If Iran gets full assistance from Russia and USA+Israel are attacking it would be a very costly war.

Russia might even go a step further and help Iran obtain its first nuclear bomb like they did with China... this would be Iran's ultimate win condition and the Middle East would be changed forever.

That's why Russia helped Iran in its brief war with Israel ..oh wait they didn't because Russia has no capabilities left to intervene anywhere else in the world.

Russia likewise helplessly watched Syrian regime collapse.

Like Russia intervened to help Armenia vs Azerbaijan? Oh right they didn't either even though they had a military security agreement. Strange indeed. In fact Russia fucked over Armenia so bad they made a peace deal with Azerbaijan because they both hate Russia. Shooting down of an Azerbaijani civilian plane was also a bad move by Russia.

Iran is a non factor. Israel took it apart largely by itself. By the time US bombed Iran there was no air defense left. Israel could have crippled Iran far more and could have bombed civilians areas like Iran did in return.

Your interpretation of current world order is of someone who had just woken up from a coma and missed at least the last 8-9 months.

 

[SandisLL]

That's why Russia helped Iran in its brief war with Israel ..oh wait they didn't because Russia has no capabilities left to intervene anywhere else in the world.

Russia likewise helplessly watched Syrian regime collapse.

Like Russia intervened to help Armenia vs Azerbaijan? Oh right they didn't either even though they had a military security agreement. Strange indeed. In fact Russia fucked over Armenia so bad they made a peace deal with Azerbaijan because they both hate Russia. Shooting down of an Azerbaijani civilian plane was also a bad move by Russia.

Iran is a non factor. Israel took it apart largely by itself. By the time US bombed Iran there was no air defense left. Israel could have crippled Iran far more and could have bombed civilians areas whhlike Iran did in return.

Your interpretation of current world order is of someone who had just woken up from a coma and missed at least the last 8-9 months.

Interesting thing that Kremlin obiviously had promoted national hate between Armenians and Azerbaijani since Stalin era.

They had ceded part of Armenia to Azerbaijan and part of Azerbaijan to Armenia during Stalin era.
Later they while officially claimed internationalism often had offered flats in Erevan for azerbaijani and flats in Baku for armenians.
1992-2022 had sold weapons for both sides and so on.... literally taking tea and $ and popcorn to watch.

Armenia even had defense agreement with russia and russia does have bases in Armenia.

Then, when later shit had started, they had relocated largest part of troops from Armenia, maybe cos needed technique and pros for small special operation in dumbass ukraine...and took popcorn and watched cinema what will happen.
Ofc Armenia get that allies had threw them under bus...

 

[SandisLL]

Russia is apparently on board with non - NATO style guarantees from US which is essentially NATO. US is NATO. Without US NATO is a toothless tiger. So in other words Russia is looking for any exit ramp while saving face...

U.S. offers Ukraine Article 5–style guarantees without NATO membership

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, European leaders, and U.S. President Donald Trump discussed potential security guarantees for Ukraine modeled on NATO’s Article 5 during their talks, CNN reported on Aug. 16, citing European officials.

english.nv.ua

It isn't quite real that without U.S NATO is absolutely helpless ....

However I wonder why ryssia might agree with defense pact between U.S and Ukr for example? With Israel U.S does have strategic partnership agreement and cooperation agreement and look, assitance was quick and decent.

NATO still does have option for individual members to act ...however collective decision does take time...bireucracy.

Irsael case: order to relocate aircraft carrier group and install THAAD battery .. .in lesser than hour.
Etc.

Ofc individual agreements between countries 1 vs 1 are better than xx countries org with longer bireucracy process...

 

[AWilder]

Russia is apparently on board with non - NATO style guarantees from US which is essentially NATO. US is NATO. Without US NATO is a toothless tiger. So in other words Russia is looking for any exit ramp while saving face...

U.S. offers Ukraine Article 5–style guarantees without NATO membership

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, European leaders, and U.S. President Donald Trump discussed potential security guarantees for Ukraine modeled on NATO’s Article 5 during their talks, CNN reported on Aug. 16, citing European officials.

english.nv.ua

I wouldn't trust anything the trump administration says if I were Ukraine.

 

[TankAbbott]

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

MSNBC Host Says Karoline Leavitt Looked ‘Ashen’ After Putin Meeting

MSNBC host Antonia Hylton has suggested that President Donald Trump’s aides, particularly Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, may have been “frightened” by what they had witnessed during the president’s...

www.yahoo.com

 

[SandisLL]

I wouldn't trust anything the trump administration says if I were Ukraine.

Sure. More safety might be without any toillet paper with russia or us..
U.S had offered shit worth papers for South Vietnam in Paris Accords and later threw them under bus.
Outcome was that South Vietnam had lost vs North Vietnam backed by China and USSR.
U.S also had threw under the bus Kurds and democratic oriented afganis...

Now ....time for next repeat with Ukraine?
Maybe better then admit that ukraine is U.S - Russo - Chinesse colonium and oligarchate de facto what it is in real life and instead to waste time to ask install these and creditors to install occupation administration and creditrs administration....issuing orders.
I don't think that for ykrainians will be big changes : workforce will live in debts and dresms like in russia too anyway....

Country is entity created and existing in order to provide elite with income.

 

[SandisLL]

U.S not likely ever will offer warranties they. Had promised South Vietnam in Paris accords and later weasel out : started evacuations and didn't had provided aviation support.

Instead they will get papers like afgani gubbermint had get ...toilet...paper worth...etc..

Instead to ask papers ukr should had asked weapons and ammo delivered before any minerals deals promises etc.
However they are slaves by nature ( their politicians ), despite Trump promised to spend on them 0 cent , had signed minerals paper for mass media and after Trump is pushing them to surround even more than before this, they offer 2 tenders for oil and gas fields.... damn cinema.

Japan isn't NATO member, however does have license to produce Patriot missiles etc stuff.

Do want to work for public, talk about future maybe NATO etc..and consult with kurds, afgans and south vietnamesse about real life perspectives ...
Or act like Japan, South Korea and Israel did.

Otherwise asstance might be mineral memorandum paper peaces for colonium as air defense and dreams as empty dreams....

 

[SandisLL]

Zelonka administrstion is for ukraine?

They does needs additional financing and also ofc weapons and ammo asap, today.
Wasn't not enough to talk that there soon will be very big large scale war in europe and after this to ask them to deplete stockpiles? It is worse than mental clinic level.

Now they told that after war are excepting to get at least 520b € for reconstruction.
Jesus, they are talking about war like clear pre scheduled business plan.

I will not be surprised if EU will agree after this even maybe to sell them to zimbabwe or satan.

 

[SandisLL]

Now is even better for russia.
Zelensky had told that they this month will need additional material and financial support from EU and....told his opinions about EU possible maybe potential admission procedures processes for Moldova and Ukraine.

It is nail in coffin.
Imagine, someone maybe had asked you to donate 1 $, then might tell that he wants later to get 100 $ and after this will advise you how to breath and how to think?
Imagine what kind of reaction you had in such case in real life?

Zelonka is more effective than 10 russian tanks divisions ruled by Putin.
Unfortunately.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Of course it does. Less reaction time.
You are not very bright are you?

Is that what happened? I don't think so.
You don't seem to know shit.
The US was told by the Soviets to take their nuclear missiles out of Turkey and Italy. Kennedy did exactly that.

less reaction time , lmao , you think that would matter in WW3 ?

And how missiles did the US have left in Europe after that ?

What they removed was a drop in the bucket, it was for show .


You must be a masochist the way you get knocked around and battered and yet seam eager for more .

 

[curryjunkie]

i did look at him and wondered which one it was for a minute ..