International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

I mean what they occupied... maybe not the full oblasts?
Maybe withdraw in some places while Ukraine cedes another places so a buffer zone can be established.
Truth is, Ukraine doesnt have much bargaining power. Their manpower are really overextended at this point and Russia has been hitting their infrastructure hard the last months. I have no idea about timeline, but if the defenses start o collapse it'll become lawn mower. Plus even if there's a blank check by EU/USA to provide weapons, the western war industry production is lacking in a full scale war. USA stocks ran low a couple of months ago, they spent a full month bombing Houthis and had to divert weapons from ukraine to Israel. They're late on many weapons deals around the world.
And that's why Putin doesnt want Zelensky in the meeting, he'll probably give up some phony shit to Trump without an Ukrainian there to pushback, Trump will get his pace maker headline and if Ukraine doesnt accept it the onus will be put on them. I'm not talking about fairness here, but what I'll see happening.
Remember that USA still is on a comercial war with China and they're witholding some of that rare earth magnets needed to the industry.
And like I said, I'll think it'll not be a permanent deal... a buffer deal that'll needed to be addressed by different people down the line.
Obviously these are conjectures by me here, but that's the read I getting in this situation.

Defenses collapse etc is 1200 days in row.
Sure.

However with ukraine everything is clear: it will be russia. Yes.
Big uncles allowed long ago.

Ofc initially will be part of ukraine as russia.
Another part will be russo- chinesse-american vassal living in debts and dreams, stuff will be nice PR about bright future and nice campaigns. Casuals with time will not care will be this area russia or ukr.

Country is entity created and maintained in order to provide elite with income.
Carl Marx.
It is reality and always will be.
If elite is too stupid, they might lost their cash cow called country.


Russians are imperialistic chauvinists and proven to live in debts and dreams, they will be more happy with lesser savings and lesser food on the table if will see elite telling them how great they are.
This is specific mentality, you need to provide some food, vodka and cigs, mandatory huge propaganda dosage and they will be happy.

It is population thinking that westerners are dumb loosers and their enemies, idiots living in countries where soon everything will collapse....
Ofc elite might talk polite talks if they need, however Kremlin more than 100 years had taught population that westerners are their enemies, peace of shit and stupid etc...

 

[SandisLL]

Ukraine and Israel.
Ukr should know that in Israel and Switzerland they in reality are assumed as russia or vassal of Russia. It always was 70 plus years in row and never will change.
Both these countries protects russia and damn a lot. Israel also had get more help than ukr...
Ukr as abit a bit something..sometimes.

They are determined to loss and be russia or vassal till complete incorporation in Russia.
They maybe now have time to prepare...
Maybe some % will relocate from 404 when some " peace deal " will be made.
Future chances for casuals imho will be worse than today in ukr...
Inflation, again rich oligarchates, high taxes, austerity measures and damn a lot of nice promises and fairy tales..about bright future.

Why ykraine years in row telling europe that they soon will have big war..after this might hope that they will deplete stockpiles?
You soon will have large scale wars, please send us weapons from your stockpiles?

Ofc outcome is paychecks not ...ofc...
Yes.

I really don't know more stupid gubbermint....than they does have.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia had managed to get approx +5.55 sq km² in Pokrovsk area.
It is more important than rubble of former logistic hub in Pokrovsk.
This is because now they are more close to coal mines ... these are coal mines with highest return of investment in all ukraine..
It is just business and nothing personal...
All other excuses are for plebs.

Then later they might take next coal mines and next lithium deposits areas too.

 

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[Devil's_Advocate]

Not crazy about it but better than nothing.

I think a deal of Russia keeps Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea and Ukraine keeps all the rest and joins NATO is the only reasonable deal to be had. Perhaps there should be DMZ area on both Russian and Ukrainian border of X miles/kilometers.

Polish news outlet publishes Trump's proposal to Putin to end war

The Polish news outlet Onet has reported having learned the details of a "favourable" American proposal regarding Ukraine that was presented to Russian ruler Vladimir Putin during talks with Steve Witkoff, US President Donald Trump’s Special Envoy, in Moscow.

www.pravda.com.ua

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Polish news outlet publishes Trump's proposal to Putin to end war​

Ulyana Krychkovska, STANISLAV POHORILOV — Thursday, 7 August 2025, 14:48

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Trump and Putin. Photo: Anadolu

The Polish news outlet Onet has reported having learned the details of a "favourable" American proposal regarding Ukraine that was presented to Russian ruler Vladimir Putin during talks with Steve Witkoff, US President Donald Trump’s Special Envoy, in Moscow.

Source: European Pravda, citing Onet on 7 August

Details: Although Onet does not name its sources, it says the proposal was coordinated with European states. "We have learned that Moscow received a very favourable offer from the Trump administration," the outlet reported.

According to Onet, the US proposal includes:

• A ceasefire in Ukraine, though not a full peace agreement.
• De facto recognition of the territories occupied by Russia through deferral of the issue for either 49 or 99 years.
• The lifting of most of the sanctions imposed on Russia and, in the long term, a return to energy cooperation – namely imports of Russian gas and oil.

However, the proposal reportedly includes no guarantees against NATO expansion – one of Moscow’s consistent demands.

Nor did Russia receive any promises that military support for Ukraine would cease. However, according to Onet, this last point is said to be acceptable to the Russians.

Background:

• Following the meeting between Witkoff and Putin, Trump had a phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and several European leaders.
• Trump reportedly then told European leaders he intended to meet with Putin "as early as next week", followed by a trilateral meeting including President Zelenskyy.
• Later, the Kremlin confirmed that Russia and the US have agreed that Putin and Trump will meet in the coming days.
• Zelenskyy also stated that potential formats for high-level meetings were discussed during yesterday’s phone conversation with Trump and the European leaders."

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

I mean what they occupied... maybe not the full oblasts?
Maybe withdraw in some places while Ukraine cedes another places so a buffer zone can be established.
Truth is, Ukraine doesnt have much bargaining power. Their manpower are really overextended at this point and Russia has been hitting their infrastructure hard the last months. I have no idea about timeline, but if the defenses start o collapse it'll become lawn mower. Plus even if there's a blank check by EU/USA to provide weapons, the western war industry production is lacking in a full scale war. USA stocks ran low a couple of months ago, they spent a full month bombing Houthis and had to divert weapons from ukraine to Israel. They're late on many weapons deals around the world.
And that's why Putin doesnt want Zelensky in the meeting, he'll probably give up some phony shit to Trump without an Ukrainian there to pushback, Trump will get his pace maker headline and if Ukraine doesnt accept it the onus will be put on them. I'm not talking about fairness here, but what I'll see happening.
Remember that USA still is on a comercial war with China and they're witholding some of that rare earth magnets needed to the industry.
And like I said, I'll think it'll not be a permanent deal... a buffer deal that'll needed to be addressed by different people down the line.
Obviously these are conjectures by me here, but that's the read I getting in this situation.

you might be reading a bit much of Russian propaganda from our chief Russian propagandist Spin Marino who has said UKR was out of troops years ago but yet Russia still holds less land then they did 3 years ago. Russia has been slowly grinding away but taking huge loses for every km of destroyed land they manage to get.
You say Russia has been hitting key UKR infrastructure but it's UKR hitting the oil depots, Railroads and other important targets. putler targets woman and children in civilian targets every night.
When the war started UKR hands were tied as they wernt allowed to use weapons inside Russia, now they are and the results have been terrific.
russia is in deep financial trouble and its only getting worse, printing money can only last for so long when your main industry is being targeted.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Not crazy about it but better than nothing.

I think a deal of Russia keeps Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea and Ukraine keeps all the rest and joins NATO is the only reasonable deal to be had. Perhaps there should be DMZ area on both Russian and Ukrainian border of X miles/kilometers.

Polish news outlet publishes Trump's proposal to Putin to end war

The Polish news outlet Onet has reported having learned the details of a "favourable" American proposal regarding Ukraine that was presented to Russian ruler Vladimir Putin during talks with Steve Witkoff, US President Donald Trump’s Special Envoy, in Moscow.

www.pravda.com.ua

Ya, kinda agree, there is no easy way out of this not even sure both sides can agree on this. UKR hitting Crimea hard lately .

 

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[TheMoa]

you might be reading a bit much of Russian propaganda from our chief Russian propagandist Spin Marino who has said UKR was out of troops years ago but yet Russia still holds less land then they did 3 years ago. Russia has been slowly grinding away but taking huge loses for every km of destroyed land they manage to get.
You say Russia has been hitting key UKR infrastructure but it's UKR hitting the oil depots, Railroads and other important targets. putler targets woman and children in civilian targets every night.
When the war started UKR hands were tied as they wernt allowed to use weapons inside Russia, now they are and the results have been terrific.
russia is in deep financial trouble and its only getting worse, printing money can only last for so long when your main industry is being targeted.

I was not keeping up with the war at the start of it, just reading it passing by.

My take about the troops problems came actually seeing pro UKR channels changing the tone a bit. If they didnt had problems with troops they wouldnt be recruiting 60+ years old. Couple of weeks ago there was a riot in a recruitment center (source kyiv independent). Ukranian parliment member complaining about the huge number of desertions.
A CNN report about a commander complainning lack of rotation for his troops in the front for 8 plus months, lack of transparency to the HQ and from the goverment. Those are reports I would expect from Russian oriented media, but they came from the western side.
Media on my country is very pro ukraine and multiple reports started to pop up about guys saying they were recruited to operate drones but were thrusted in the frontlines as infantary without proper trainning, no payment, families complaining about no corpse transfer as promissed by contract.

My understanding is that the UKR drones were a huge problem for Russia, since it was cheap and could take out russian armored vehicles and soldiers like nothing. Took time, but Russia catched up with the drone tech and actually has better drones at the moment (Rubicon). In 2025 its losses are way down from the start of the war because they're actually sending drones before going out in very small groups to the meat grinder.

And yes, Russian economy will be in trouble... but Putin has no come back from this war and if someone complains too much, there's that fall from the window flu going around over there. Plus China and India didnt flinch to Trump's threats and EAU was just there to buy more crude oil (not affected by burn refineries). Trump is barking but he's buying more from Russia (proportionally) than Biden did last year.
If I was buying the Russian propaganda I would be talking about the 1,8 mil dead ukrainians (that's an absurd, but a real example of russian propaganda doing its rounds these last couple of weeks).

The infrastructure part I took from this video here, the guy is pro ukraine giving an analyzes to drone operations from Russia:

 

[San Marino]

Not crazy about it but better than nothing.

I think a deal of Russia keeps Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea and Ukraine keeps all the rest and joins NATO is the only reasonable deal to be had. Perhaps there should be DMZ area on both Russian and Ukrainian border of X miles/kilometers.

You can't be serious.
No, that is not a reasonable deal to Russia. Why do you think Ukraine was invaded? Russia will never allow any part of Ukraine to be part of NATO.

A DMZ in Ukraine? I don't think so. Part of the U.S. Army is stationed in South Korea. The 2nd Infantry Division in particular. They have been there for years. The U.S. is not going to station soldiers in western Ukraine. Russia will not allow that. What is left of Ukraine, if anything, will have to arm itself to the teeth after this conflict is over. Ukraine has to be careful. Any major western military influence in western Ukraine, after the conflict, will only cause Russia to start a second invasion of the country. I don't see Putin agreeing to anything Trump has to offer. This is all propaganda for both sides to benefit from. Smoke and mirrors. I think Ukrainians have to live with the fact that Russia will have a big influence in their government in the future. Either that or continue the fight till Ukraine runs out of soldiers.

 

[San Marino]

@TheMoa, check this out.

Thousands of South American soldiers head to Ukraine front line looking for better pay​

MSN

www.msn.com

Better pay? They are going to fight another country's war for money? These people have no idea what they are getting into. Most will die in Ukraine at the hands of the Russians. Nice psychological warfare on the part of Ukraine -- and these idiots are eating it up.

 

[TheMoa]

@TheMoa, check this out.

Thousands of South American soldiers head to Ukraine front line looking for better pay​

MSN

www.msn.com

Better pay? They are going to fight another country's war for money? These people have no idea what they are getting into. Most will die in Ukraine at the hands of the Russians. Nice psychological warfare on the part of Ukraine -- and these idiots are eating it up.

Most are probably from Colombia because Colombia is a mercenary making machine. When the FARCs had to "disarm" a lot of dudes went jobless.
But yes, a bunch of channels recruiting here in Brazil almost like it's an easy peasy russian hunting game with payment in a month of what a dude would make in a year. Bunch of kids who grew up playing CoD thinking war is fun and games

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

@TheMoa, check this out.

Thousands of South American soldiers head to Ukraine front line looking for better pay​

MSN

www.msn.com

Better pay? They are going to fight another country's war for money? These people have no idea what they are getting into. Most will die in Ukraine at the hands of the Russians. Nice psychological warfare on the part of Ukraine -- and these idiots are eating it up.

They will fare far better in the Ukrainian army than in the Russian. At least they will not be used in meatwave tactics on frontal assaults to the last man.

Interestingly you mock these mercenaries when they head to fight for Ukraine but not for Russia.....why is that?

Take the mask off....what part of St. Petersburg you from?

 

[San Marino]

They will fare far better in the Ukrainian army than in the Russian. At least they will not be used in meatwave tactics on frontal assaults to the last man.

They will all be dead 6 months from joining. They don't even speak the language. If Ukrainian soldiers with 3 years of experience are being killed, do you really think these guys have a chance? You did not address my post to you. Why is that?

 

[SandisLL]

Yes, interestingly, propagandists even are living in their own bubble.
Despite it is widely known even from hardcore pro Kremlin oriented sources that russia is hiring mercenaries.
Now even Putin had admitted this reality.
Now foreign citizens are allowed also in rus military, not only in these private military companies.
Mr.Putin till december 2024 th even had granted russian citizenship for 12500 foreigners for participation in small special operation....

Russia not only recruits immigrants in russia, they also are recruiting mercenaries in xx countries... yes, foreigners...

When russiais doing this, it is good, if ukr, then it is bad....
Russia also is recruiting prisoners... now they doesn't need wagner etc for this...prisoners are allowed in rus military.
Foreigners with criminal records too are allowed....

 

[TheMoa]

Yes, interestingly, propagandists even are living in their own bubble.
Despite it is widely known even from hardcore pro Kremlin oriented sources that russia is hiring mercenaries.
Now even Putin had admitted this reality.
Now foreign citizens are allowed also in rus military, not only in these private military companies.
Mr.Putin till december 2024 th even had granted russian citizenship for 12500 foreigners for participation in small special operation....

Russia not only recruits immigrants in russia, they also are recruiting mercenaries in xx countries... yes, foreigners...

When russiais doing this, it is good, if ukr, then it is bad....
Russia also is recruiting prisoners... now they doesn't need wagner etc for this...prisoners are allowed in rus military.
Foreigners with criminal records too are allowed....

There's also Russia recruitment with citizenship offers here, but way less common since the population associate Russia with communism ahhaha
They also offer "possibly piece of land" if the contract is properly finished

 

[ShinkanPo]

Yes, interestingly, propagandists even are living in their own bubble.
Despite it is widely known even from hardcore pro Kremlin oriented sources that russia is hiring mercenaries.
Now even Putin had admitted this reality.
Now foreign citizens are allowed also in rus military, not only in these private military companies.
Mr.Putin till december 2024 th even had granted russian citizenship for 12500 foreigners for participation in small special operation....

Russia not only recruits immigrants in russia, they also are recruiting mercenaries in xx countries... yes, foreigners...

When russiais doing this, it is good, if ukr, then it is bad....
Russia also is recruiting prisoners... now they doesn't need wagner etc for this...prisoners are allowed in rus military.
Foreigners with criminal records too are allowed....

I wonder what happened to the rest of Wagner of after Pigroshin got turned into feces

 

[PEB]