International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[aerius]

After this happens, how much of Ukraine do you think Russia is truly after? The current 5 oblats or an additional 4 oblast to form 'Novorossiya,' or New Russia? Odessa, Mykolaiv, Dnipropetrovsk, and Kharkiv. I don't think Putin has western Ukraine in mind. Folks have a hard time coming to the realization that the Ukrainian Army is in collapse. Ukraine must win because they were invaded. Where have we heard that before? Oh yeah, Vietnam. McNamara, Westmoreland, and Johnson. All 3 lying to the American public and saying the US had the war won. Well, the United States lost the Vietnam war after many years of fighting. We won most of the battles but lost the war. Zelensky is preaching from the same playbook. No mention of Ukrainian casualties or the size of the Ukrainian Army, but it is sure as shit winning this war and it will win this war as long as it takes. Russia unfortunately will come out on top.

No one knows how much Russia really wants and anyone who claims they know is lying, the best we can do is make some guesses based on what their foreign ministry & military leaders say. The Russian negotiating team said it would be 8 Oblasts on the next peace offer instead of 5, and their military launching new offensives into Sumy and Dnipropetrovsk would be consistent with this. The problem is neutralizing Ukraine as a threat will likely require taking a lot more land than the Russians really want.

As for casualties, the usual retarded Ukrainian supporters can try to rationalize this all they want, but the kill ratio is decidedly in favor of the Russians. Ukraine ain't winning a war like this, the ratios need to go the other way if they're to have a chance.

 

[Rational Poster]

No one knows how much Russia really wants and anyone who claims they know is lying, the best we can do is make some guesses based on what their foreign ministry & military leaders say. The Russian negotiating team said it would be 8 Oblasts on the next peace offer instead of 5, and their military launching new offensives into Sumy and Dnipropetrovsk would be consistent with this. The problem is neutralizing Ukraine as a threat will likely require taking a lot more land than the Russians really want.

As for casualties, the usual retarded Ukrainian supporters can try to rationalize this all they want, but the kill ratio is decidedly in favor of the Russians. Ukraine ain't winning a war like this, the ratios need to go the other way if they're to have a chance.

I mean it is pretty easy to rationalize this if you think for a second. You can only exchange bodies that are actually recovered.

It's also a source less info dump without any context.

 

[AWilder]

No one knows how much Russia really wants and anyone who claims they know is lying, the best we can do is make some guesses based on what their foreign ministry & military leaders say. The Russian negotiating team said it would be 8 Oblasts on the next peace offer instead of 5, and their military launching new offensives into Sumy and Dnipropetrovsk would be consistent with this. The problem is neutralizing Ukraine as a threat will likely require taking a lot more land than the Russians really want.

As for casualties, the usual retarded Ukrainian supporters can try to rationalize this all they want, but the kill ratio is decidedly in favor of the Russians. Ukraine ain't winning a war like this, the ratios need to go the other way if they're to have a chance.

Lmao, using propaganda as facts.

 

[SandisLL]

No one knows how much Russia really wants and anyone who claims they know is lying, the best we can do is make some guesses based on what their foreign ministry & military leaders say. The Russian negotiating team said it would be 8 Oblasts on the next peace offer instead of 5, and their military launching new offensives into Sumy and Dnipropetrovsk would be consistent with this. The problem is neutralizing Ukraine as a threat will likely require taking a lot more land than the Russians really want.

As for casualties, the usual retarded Ukrainian supporters can try to rationalize this all they want, but the kill ratio is decidedly in favor of the Russians. Ukraine ain't winning a war like this, the ratios need to go the other way if they're to have a chance.

Moldova too is threat and Transistria should be liberated from oppression done by Moldova and Ukraine. Moldova does have bad government and is threat for Russia....
Such opinions does have a lot of rus lawmakers. Also ofc a lot of guys are thinking that Ukraine is Russia and will be...this realpolitik.

Guys like you might count some bodies and prophet here that Ukr should surround etc.
I don't gave a f*** about number of supposed bodies ukr or russia is reporting.

It doesn't make sense. World is large, if $ on the table meat will be always.

Russia for example is hiring from african countries etc...
Ukr is claiming that they does have 40 cubans bodies in fridges and POVs from different countries.

Ukr too might hire meat like this.

Ofc comrade, I do know that you do want to see ukraine incorporated in Russia 100%.

BTW west are pussies, money and comfort hungry traitors....so maybe for ukr future this might be best solution....also to destroy matushka from inside slowly....

 

[SandisLL]

If about Sumy oblastj : they now does control approx 201.8 sq km².
Mainly looks that cos lack of proper mining and rus advantage in drones number and radioelectronic warfare in this area.
Low losses for russia, nothing special for ukr too btw.

However it is what it is: they really for example might dig in and build bunkers and tunnels, trenches and keep this area for xxx years.

 

[SandisLL]

Russians are easy to brainwash and a lot of them are chauvinists and imperialistic.

They will take vodka and watch propaganda TV channel and have fun for example about Luhansk oblastj. With pride and happiness. Poor or no, imperialism never will disappear.

So what they will do with Luhansk oblastj?
Infrastructure reconstruction from proud russian taxpayers pockets done by companies owned by oligarchs and their friends..
Mining industry and factories remainings will get oligarchs and workers will be as always just workforce units..cheaper = better etc. Like before 2022 th...

Local rulers will get posts and $ and tell how cool is Putin.

Checnya No2...

 

[Strychnine]

Poland isn't going to put up with any BS.

 

[SandisLL]

Poland is slowly rebuilding their tank forces but they have a lot to do...in order to replace tanks they had supplied Ukraine.
Poland had supplied 360 main battle tanks, from these on paper in working condition were 352 tanks.

After this Poland had get till today 133 K-2 from south korea ( purchases delivered and paid for ) and these 116 M1A1FEP as replacement package due to deal with U.S and also does have 47 M1A2SEPv3 ( these are delivered and they had paid for these ).

Poland now also does have 6 F-35 operational ( this is part of larger sales deal delivered ).

They should get next batches : 203 M1A2SEPv3, if tanks will be delivered, they will pay...ofc.

Lithuania will order a bit tanks too...however they does wants new one, L2A8 ...


Interestingly that poles doesn't claim that Abrams are bad etc..
Despite they loves to overload tanks : to add extra protection etc...
Ukr some cases had complained about Abrams...

 

[SandisLL]

BTW I don't know why Lithuania wants L2A8.

If they want to get tanks delivered quickly then only options are South Korea with their K2 or to ask Trump sell M1A2SEPv3 ...because they might deliver relatively quickly.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia is winning so much that they couldn't do anything after Spiderweb 1&2 other than the same thing they were doing of just bombing a few civilian areas.

Be real, neither country is at risk of running out of men. Russian economy however is close to a collapse.

Russia has effectively run out of tanks.

You can spin Russian death spiral all you want but even if Comrade Krasnov stops all US support for Ukraine, it will continue the status quo. Ukraine doesn't have to 'win', it just must not lose.

With one caution: about tanks we don't know.
They doesn't use any significant tanks goups, maybe due to anti tank mines risk and drones....

They mainly are using drones, a lot of different drones, arty, MRLS, gliding bombs, RE warfare and small infantry groups.

Russia this moment had reduced Soltsepljek type thermobaric MRLS usage...because it is rumoured that they had lost 22 apparatus ....

These apparatus are very devastating and effective but very vulnerable if loaded with " rockets " and get hit....
drones, arty, MRLS or mortar ..and if get hit, this apparatus is like big crematorium....

 

[Strychnine]

1,000,000 Russian casualties. This is what happens when you don't care about your personnel.

 

[SandisLL]

Luhansk oblastj. 1204 th day of war ...russia controls approx 98% of it's area in administrative borders. Small special operation to liberate Luhansk oblastj from satanic evil will be continued bla bla.

Russia had some suspicous explosions in Tambov oblastj, rumoured that in area are special warehouses.... russians are angry and rushed to catch possible diversants, saboteurs and to spot potential informants.

 

[Nameless King]

No one knows how much Russia really wants and anyone who claims they know is lying, the best we can do is make some guesses based on what their foreign ministry & military leaders say. The Russian negotiating team said it would be 8 Oblasts on the next peace offer instead of 5, and their military launching new offensives into Sumy and Dnipropetrovsk would be consistent with this. The problem is neutralizing Ukraine as a threat will likely require taking a lot more land than the Russians really want.

As for casualties, the usual retarded Ukrainian supporters can try to rationalize this all they want, but the kill ratio is decidedly in favor of the Russians. Ukraine ain't winning a war like this, the ratios need to go the other way if they're to have a chance.

From all the videos I see russian troops are being turned into paste by drones, so how can they exchange anything?

 

[aerius]

1,000,000 Russian casualties. This is what happens when you don't care about your personnel.

And Ukraine has over 1.5 million casualties.

Ukraine’s battlefield position is deteriorating fast

Should Kyiv collapse, the Russian army will surge forward, pushing the line of contact deeper into Ukraine and peace terms will get worse

responsiblestatecraft.org

Ukraine’s total losses are hard to assess. The Jamestown Foundation estimated that Ukraine had mobilized 2 million men back in July 2023, and the number should be approaching 3 million by now. Most estimates place the Ukrainian fielded army at about 1 million men, while Zelenskyy claimed to be fielding 880,000. The official Ukrainian losses of 43,000 are unrealistic in the light of previous numbers. For a more realistic estimate, the “Antiseptic” Telegram channel has one of the few databases that compare current and prewar satellite photos of select Ukrainian cemeteries. The limited nature of cemeteries may result in undercounting; for example, the city of Kharkiv has multiple cemeteries, but only cemetery #18 was surveyed. Soldiers buried in other city cemeteries are not counted. The chart below averages out the percent of prewar population lost by locality and then compares it to the total population of Ukraine. The final estimate is about 769,000 dead, and based on historical data, likely another 769,000 wounded who will never recover enough to go back to the front.

This matches the Jamestown Foundation’s estimate. Some 1.5 million are permanent losses, another 400,000-600,000 wounded recovering in hospitals, leaving 1 million to 800,000 still in the field.

Ukraine can't even claim a favourable loss ratio at this point and it's only going to get worse for them.

From all the videos I see russian troops are being turned into paste by drones, so how can they exchange anything?

I can show you just as many videos of Ukrainians getting pulverized by drones, artillery, bombs, and thermobaric rockets. I choose not to post them here because I don't feel it brings anything to the discussion, it's just senseless war porn and glorification of killing.

 

[San Marino]

Russia is winning so much that they couldn't do anything after Spiderweb 1&2 other than the same thing they were doing of just bombing a few civilian areas.

A few civilian areas? They bombed cities all over Ukraine. Kharkiv is the second largest city in Ukraine. It was attacked in two separate dates.
Yeah, what did Operation Spider Web 1 and 2 accomplish? The destruction of 10 Russian bombers and a few rail cars. That will definitely win Ukraine this war. In the meantime, Russian soldiers are killing Ukrainian soldiers and taking territory.

Be real, neither country is at risk of running out of men. Russian economy however is close to a collapse.

I am being real. Ukraine is running low on soldiers. The numbers are going down by the month. Russia is adding two Divisions of men a month to this conflict. How many soldiers is Ukraine adding to the conflict a month? The Russian economy is nowhere near collapse. If any economy will be collapsing, it will be Ukraine's. They have a whole country to rebuild.

Russia has effectively run out of tanks.

No, they have not.

Ukraine doesn't have to 'win', it just must not lose.

Well, Ukraine is currently losing.
When you realize this, it will be like that day when you realized that Santa Claus does not exist.

 

[SandisLL]

Ukr is mainly on backfoot and doesn't have any more serious advances.
Therefore they for sure can't collect bodies comfortably.

One line where rissians, another line where ukr. .between them grey zone with nice drones and beautiful mines.

Ofc ukr doesn't rush there under fire in order to collect bodies....
Literally cos grey zones I don't trust nor ukr nor rus reports about number of killed ...
Who cares in general.
Ofc if russia takes some area where are these bodies, they might collect....also no one had told how long these bodies are in " fridges " ..maybe some batches are in storage months in row. dunno.

Also ofc for financial reasons both sides will have to pay more compensations IF bodies will get returned....financially not advisable.....
If missing in action, looks that compensarions are lower?
Also if they are placed in suspects list as potential possibly deserteurs?
Then maybe for someone better is to let wildife to process remainings rather than collect bodies ....

 

[SandisLL]

Plus is question how these bodybags had been stored.
Ofc one thing is if bodies are handled in morgue ....

Another variant is to use refridgerator ( fridge ) for meat storage/ transport.
Then is possible simply load bodybags in " fridge " and adjust for example -18C° temperature regime.

Imagine condition etc after such storage?

 

[San Marino]

From all the videos I see russian troops are being turned into paste by drones, so how can they exchange anything?

Well, we first need to define 'body' in this exchange. Is it a whole complete body or are they counting an arm and a leg as a 'body'? You'll get everything on the battlefield. Dead soldiers in one piece and pieces of one soldier. Identification will be impossible at times. Why isn't each side recovering their dead? Damage from missiles and artillery will be much worse than what drones and grenades are doing.

 

[SandisLL]

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And Ukraine has over 1.5 million casualties.

Ukraine’s battlefield position is deteriorating fast

Should Kyiv collapse, the Russian army will surge forward, pushing the line of contact deeper into Ukraine and peace terms will get worse

responsiblestatecraft.org

Ukraine’s total losses are hard to assess. The Jamestown Foundation estimated that Ukraine had mobilized 2 million men back in July 2023, and the number should be approaching 3 million by now. Most estimates place the Ukrainian fielded army at about 1 million men, while Zelenskyy claimed to be fielding 880,000. The official Ukrainian losses of 43,000 are unrealistic in the light of previous numbers. For a more realistic estimate, the “Antiseptic” Telegram channel has one of the few databases that compare current and prewar satellite photos of select Ukrainian cemeteries. The limited nature of cemeteries may result in undercounting; for example, the city of Kharkiv has multiple cemeteries, but only cemetery #18 was surveyed. Soldiers buried in other city cemeteries are not counted. The chart below averages out the percent of prewar population lost by locality and then compares it to the total population of Ukraine. The final estimate is about 769,000 dead, and based on historical data, likely another 769,000 wounded who will never recover enough to go back to the front.

This matches the Jamestown Foundation’s estimate. Some 1.5 million are permanent losses, another 400,000-600,000 wounded recovering in hospitals, leaving 1 million to 800,000 still in the field.

Ukraine can't even claim a favourable loss ratio at this point and it's only going to get worse for them.



I can show you just as many videos of Ukrainians getting pulverized by drones, artillery, bombs, and thermobaric rockets. I choose not to post them here because I don't feel it brings anything to the discussion, it's just senseless war porn and glorification of killing.

Interestingly that you claim that are ethical bt still so surprisingly interested about ukr casualities ¿ strange....



If about pulverization videos : xxxxx bloggers in xxx different media in xxxxxx channels are posting pulverization videos etc ....like there are xxx millions KIA ....also destroyed more HIMARs and Patriot than ever had been produced...

Ppl just needs attention and $.....channels etx.bloggers.

 

[Badr Hari]

And Ukraine has over 1.5 million casualties.

Ukraine’s battlefield position is deteriorating fast

Should Kyiv collapse, the Russian army will surge forward, pushing the line of contact deeper into Ukraine and peace terms will get worse

responsiblestatecraft.org

Ukraine’s total losses are hard to assess. The Jamestown Foundation estimated that Ukraine had mobilized 2 million men back in July 2023, and the number should be approaching 3 million by now. Most estimates place the Ukrainian fielded army at about 1 million men, while Zelenskyy claimed to be fielding 880,000. The official Ukrainian losses of 43,000 are unrealistic in the light of previous numbers. For a more realistic estimate, the “Antiseptic” Telegram channel has one of the few databases that compare current and prewar satellite photos of select Ukrainian cemeteries. The limited nature of cemeteries may result in undercounting; for example, the city of Kharkiv has multiple cemeteries, but only cemetery #18 was surveyed. Soldiers buried in other city cemeteries are not counted. The chart below averages out the percent of prewar population lost by locality and then compares it to the total population of Ukraine. The final estimate is about 769,000 dead, and based on historical data, likely another 769,000 wounded who will never recover enough to go back to the front.

This matches the Jamestown Foundation’s estimate. Some 1.5 million are permanent losses, another 400,000-600,000 wounded recovering in hospitals, leaving 1 million to 800,000 still in the field.

Ukraine can't even claim a favourable loss ratio at this point and it's only going to get worse for them.



I can show you just as many videos of Ukrainians getting pulverized by drones, artillery, bombs, and thermobaric rockets. I choose not to post them here because I don't feel it brings anything to the discussion, it's just senseless war porn and glorification of killing.

Those numbers are horse shit. Real numbers are around:

Ukr 100k killed + 600k wounded
Rus 200k killed + 800k wounded

Close to 70% of wounded on both camps return to combat within weeks/months