International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[San Marino]

I think the U.S. is dependable.

But Trump sure as heck isn't.

...and Uncle Joe was? Please!
Trump is as dependable as they come. Look at all he has done domestically and internationally in roughly 3 weeks. Biden could not even come close in 3 years.

 

[Cid]

Can't fight an insurgency if they don't have weapons. Europe needs to provide the weapons.

It's honestly quite pathetic. The GDP of all the European nations absolutely dwarfs Russia. If they really wanted to, they could out-manufacture weapons easily.

But can they out-manufacture donkeys that's the real question

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Vance did not lose any respect. The Europeans have been lazy in building their own Army and paying their dues in NATO. The United States is not the world's 'sugar-daddy.' At least not under Trump. Rare Earth Elements are found in other parts of the world. Ukraine does not hold the market on them. China, Vietnam, Brazil, and Australia have REEs available to the US.

Ukraine and Europe out of the US/Russia talks in Saudi Arabia.
Man, things have just gone from bad to worse for Zelensky.

Things have been bad for UKR for years now. They have no troops left , aid has dried up but yet they are still fighting...can you explain how this is even possible given your previous predictions...?

 

[San Marino]

The US isn't widely regarded as dependable, they fucked over the Vietnamese, the Iraqis, and the afghans.

How exactly did the US fuck over the Vietnamese, Iraqis, and Afghans? Maybe the US should have stayed out of these 3 wars.

 

[San Marino]

GDP is a poor measure of industrial potential. Europe's GDP comes mostly from banking, finance, consumer spending, and service industries, that shit ain't gonna build tanks or other modern weapons in industrial quantities.

Priceless!
The statement makes too much sense for this thread.

 

[Cid]

 

[San Marino]

It would not cost trillions first of all. And Russia can barely manufacture anything either. As evidenced by having to get artillery from North Korea.

Russia is manufacturing all sorts of military equipment under the military-industrial complex.

Inside Russia’s 2024 military-industrial complex

With the understanding that the Russo-Ukrainian War has transitioned into a protracted phase and that the Russian army's command has adopted a war of attrition strategy, the capabilities of the Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC) have become one of the central issues among others that...

euro-sd.com

 

[San Marino]

Things have been bad for UKR for years now. They have no troops left , aid has dried up but yet they are still fighting...can you explain how this is even possible given your previous predictions...?

Yes.
The Ukrainian Army will simply drop to such a low number that they will be combat ineffective.
Similar to what happened to the German Army in WWII.
Do you still think that Ukraine is winning this conflict?
How is it that Russia is winning more battles and has an ample supply of men to fill its ranks?
It has nothing to do with North Korea or mules in the battlefield. Again, the U.S. Army was using horses in Afghanistan. Mules can climb and get through places that a tank cannot.

 

[SandisLL]

It would not cost trillions first of all. And Russia can barely manufacture anything either. As evidenced by having to get artillery from North Korea.

Funny that westerners forget that Russia isn't Soviet Union....they are thinking that Russia is USSR or at least Kremlin somewhat does have some rights and potential Soviet Union had.


In 1949-1966 Soviet Union had supplied arty and ammo for North Korea....now Russia is importing ammo and missiles from North Korea.

Soviet Union and later Russia under Boris 1949- 1999 had exported nails (!), shovels and tractors, bulldozers to CHINA!
Since some 2000 ies China started to export nails, screws, bulldozers and tractors, shovels and even barbed wire to ....Russia.....

They even are importing pencils and pens from China....meat grinding machines ( Soviets btw had produced good and durable meat grinding machines ...in Soviet era ).

 

[SandisLL]

Buhankas and UAZ jeeps are durable cars. Yes, crude and not comfortable but they does serve. Some UAZ jeeps and buhankas manufactured in 1980 ies still are usable. Ofc if had good handling and were maintained well with some real investments.

These are more like ....Jeep Willis from World War II. Such philosophy. Doesn't looks that Americans will agree if I will start to post that il Willis was/ is bad jeep....ofc will not agree.

 

[SandisLL]

BTW russia still does have money enough to purchase jeeps and trucks from China. Especially easy if they are civilian jeeps and trucks.

Maybe Putin had ordered to use donkeys and mules additionally......if Kremlin had ordered, donkeys had been sent.

 

[lsa]

When the war stops or freezes, Russia will be able to free up significant military resources and thus increase its military ability to pose a direct threat to NATO. In that case, FE estimates that Russia will be able to:
• fight a local war in a country bordering Russia in about 6 months.
• pose a credible threat to one or more NATO countries in about 2 years and thus be ready for a regional war against several countries in the Baltic Sea region.
• be ready for a large-scale war on the European continent in about 5 years, where the United States does not get involved. The time horizons given assume that NATO does not simultaneously rearm at the same pace.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Vance did not lose any respect. The Europeans have been lazy in building their own Army and paying their dues in NATO. The United States is not the world's 'sugar-daddy.' At least not under Trump. Rare Earth Elements are found in other parts of the world. Ukraine does not hold the market on them. China, Vietnam, Brazil, and Australia have REEs available to the US.

Ukraine and Europe out of the US/Russia talks in Saudi Arabia.
Man, things have just gone from bad to worse for Zelensky.

Vance never had any respect to be lost in the first place lol

 

[SandisLL]

The main stuff today Kremlin does wants to get is that conversations will be done between Pump mortgage expert and Hitler without Ukr and Europe ( Americans are living in dreams that these are Kurds No2 despite their real life not virtual life dreams ).
Russia is demanding Zaporozia and Kherson, Luhansk, Donetsk oblatjs and Crimea plus main reason that they does want to get U.S to end supplies any or sell weapons for Ukr.
This maybe most likely is under the table like Ribentropp secret protocols etc.

So cease fire, we will do what we do want to do and you will not supply or sell for cavemans in Ukraine.
Like this realpolitik.

Pumpists looks that offered ukr Budapesht memorandum level empty idiotic papers with 0 real warrant, just demands....nice casual business deal ofc.
They most likely are thinking that Ukr are some Africans 400 years ago. This level.

What stuff U.S might had get if huelensky had signed such paper? Impeachment cos looks that paper Budapesht 2 type toilet paper plus even worse.

Huelensky most likely maybe might sign everything but such papers needs approwal from Supreme Lawmaker and if there is " we want 50% from mining industry and you will get 0 warrant and we don't care will be you Russia or no " . It is worse than Germany reparations after 1945 th plus without any certain even expressed promises.
Worse than Germany reparations after world War II. Kissinger was correct that to have U.S as enemy is bad for country future but to have them as friends is FATAL. Kissinger was correct.
BTW soon europe will open mouth how overpriced and overrated are weapons U.S are selling in order to get profits. Ofc Ukr is place to experiment stuff and test stuff, also to avoid decommissioning expenses for old stuff.
Hegemon Putin: they are dumb and dangerous idiots we will protect our Rodina Matushka from evil Americans and bad bankrupt europe.Satan will be defeated and we are serving Matushka and God.
West will be deterred and on knees sooner or later.
Putin for russians.

 

[SandisLL]

When the war stops or freezes, Russia will be able to free up significant military resources and thus increase its military ability to pose a direct threat to NATO. In that case, FE estimates that Russia will be able to:
• fight a local war in a country bordering Russia in about 6 months.
• pose a credible threat to one or more NATO countries in about 2 years and thus be ready for a regional war against several countries in the Baltic Sea region.
• be ready for a large-scale war on the European continent in about 5 years, where the United States does not get involved. The time horizons given assume that NATO does not simultaneously rearm at the same pace.

Europe will have large scale war ofc. It isn't avoidable real fiture. Even for Germany. Baltic countries are assumed as dumb idiots. Their military is mainly pros working for paychecks and with 0 trust about any paper signed. Money on the table today after this we might talk further. Latvian rifleman reality.
So there war is job and after this you will get real life in Berlin again.

 

[Cid]

 

[SandisLL]

When the war stops or freezes, Russia will be able to free up significant military resources and thus increase its military ability to pose a direct threat to NATO. In that case, FE estimates that Russia will be able to:
• fight a local war in a country bordering Russia in about 6 months.
• pose a credible threat to one or more NATO countries in about 2 years and thus be ready for a regional war against several countries in the Baltic Sea region.
• be ready for a large-scale war on the European continent in about 5 years, where the United States does not get involved. The time horizons given assume that NATO does not simultaneously rearm at the same pace.

This is nothing new. Assessment from late autumn 2008 th. After German and and anglo saxonians friends get into mad mode.
BTW it was most likely assumed that German elite will rush to relocate to bomb shelters in France and call their comrades in Kremlin ... nothing new. 2008 th autumn opinions.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

FOX reporting a 3 stage agreement.

1: ceasefire
2: hold elections
3: new president will be apart of final negotiations

US, Russian officials propose peace plan, lay 'groundwork for cooperation' in Riyadh

Russian officials say Ukrainian membership in NATO is a red line in peace talks as they met with U.S. officials in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

FOX reporting a 3 stage agreement.

1: ceasefire
2: hold elections
3: new president will be apart of final negotiations

US, Russian officials propose peace plan, lay 'groundwork for cooperation' in Riyadh

Russian officials say Ukrainian membership in NATO is a red line in peace talks as they met with U.S. officials in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday.

www.foxnews.com

Why is the US so worried about elections? Because Putler prob told Trump that is a major part of the “peace” plan so Putler can fuck with the elections put in his puppet government and take over the country in an easier way.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Why is the US so worried about elections? Because Putler prob told Trump that is a major part of the “peace” plan so Putler can fuck with the elections put in his puppet government and take over the country in an easier way.

Sure, yea, I guess