International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[mjfan23]

Its not a good point its a retarded one.

"These people are being murdered, lets not help them in anyway so they are forced to surrender"

Weapons don't use themselves otherwise there would still be an Afghan government instead of the Taliban, which managed to defeat the NATO equipped Afghan army with Toyota trucks.

So the question is Ukraine will fight until they don't want to fight anymore, even if the US sent them F-22s, if the Ukrainian people lose the will to fight they will surrender.

You must be one of those bleeding heart cucks that blame the victims when they defend themselves rather than the criminals who are attacking them.

Trump broke the conservative mind and showed they are nothing but a bunch of bootlicking cucks.

We should set limits to how much murder we will allow. When that threshold is reached we either support this war differently (could be more aggressive) or mediate a solution.

You can’t blindly expect to fund this massacre there have to be control limits.

 

[mjfan23]

Ukrainians are killing themselves now?

No but if not for foreign cheer leaders giving them false hope from the safety of our homes they would have reached a solution much earlier. Instead of prolonged punishment

 

[Anewt]

Lukashenko is going into half crazy mode.
Also: I think that U.S and Russia had forget that France is nuclear power and doesn't needs advice from White House or Russia.
President Macron.

france need uranium more than any nation on earth.

In 2022, France five largest uranium suppliers
Natural uranium imported into France
Kazakhstan (23,822 t)
Niger (17,615 t)
Uzbekistan (16,792 t)
Australia (12,349 t)
Namibia (12,303 t)


Niger and Namibia were extremely discounted for the French. ( French multinational companies owning the mines ) cfa. Etc.



They have / are losing that region and monopoly they've held for nearly a century.

Having four of its top five uranium producers more pro Russian has to be terrifying for a nation that is 65% nuclear power.

They were going for a bigger deal with Mongolia but that's been halted .


They still are buying enriched uranium from Moscow.

Can the EU and US end their dependence on Russia’s nuclear energy industry? - Energy Post

Can the EU and US end their dependence on […]

energypost.eu

Really good read.

 

[Rod1]

We should set limits to how much murder we will allow.

The fuck are you talking about? Russia is invading Ukraine.

When that threshold is reached we either support this war differently (could be more aggressive) or mediate a solution.

It could be more aggressive if MAGAcucks didn't had such an iron grip on the house.

You can’t blindly expect to fund this massacre there have to be control limits.

Again, the massacre is not being funded by the US, its being funded by Russia.

 

[Rod1]

No but if not for foreign cheer leaders giving them false hope from the safety of our homes they would have reached a solution much earlier. Instead of prolonged punishment

What solution is there to being invaded?

You are basically saying that Ukraine is responsible for getting killed because if they just surrendered their country to Russia there would be less deaths.

 

[mjfan23]

What solution is there to being invaded?

You are basically saying that Ukraine is responsible for getting killed because if they just surrendered their country to Russia there would be less deaths.

They are being invaded yes. But that “special operation” to “kill the nazis” Putin started didn’t have all of Ukraine in its scope only a select few regions that were inclined towards Russia. His scam of an operation was limited in scope.

foreigners giving Ukraine false hope about a sustained resistance and victory and pouring 100s of billions of dollars into counter offensives etc expanded that scope.


There is a reason half the nation no longer supports this level of commitment to Ukraine. You can call it MAGA craziness or Trump being a Russian agent or whatever but a growing number of Americans are sick of cheerleading Ukrainians to their death. It’s time to reach out to Russia and get a deal about the future I am sure Russians aren’t enjoying the sanctions and economic damage either

 

[syct23]

They are being invaded yes. But that “special operation” to “kill the nazis” Putin started didn’t have all of Ukraine in its scope only a select few regions that were inclined towards Russia. His scam of an operation was limited in scope.

foreigners giving Ukraine false hope about a sustained resistance and victory and pouring 100s of billions of dollars into counter offensives etc expanded that scope.


There is a reason half the nation no longer supports this level of commitment to Ukraine. You can call it MAGA craziness or Trump being a Russian agent or whatever but a growing number of Americans are sick of cheerleading Ukrainians to their death. It’s time to reach out to Russia and get a deal about the future I am sure Russians aren’t enjoying the sanctions and economic damage either

Ukrainian Lands invaded and occupied with thousands dying as we speak..

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“Russians aren’t enjoying the sanctions and economic damage either”

So Ukraine should look at negotiating a peace because they are being forced by the west to kill themselves…?

 

[curryjunkie]

New planks in town I see...

 

[mjfan23]

Ukrainian Lands invaded and occupied with thousands dying as we speak..

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“Russians aren’t enjoying the sanctions and economic damage either”

So Ukraine should look at negotiating a peace because they are being forced by the west to kill themselves…?

How many thousands exactly?

Yeah Ukraine should negotiate. It’s in their best interest! There is a reason there is a huge resistance locally to us further funding this proxy war. It might not be an opinion you agree with, but it is a growing and prevalent opinion that is being discussed in house hold and by our elected reps.

 

[syct23]

How many thousands exactly?

Yeah Ukraine should negotiate. It’s in their best interest! There is a reason there is a huge resistance locally to us further funding this proxy war. It might not be an opinion you agree with, but it is a growing and prevalent opinion that is being discussed in house hold and by our elected reps.

Explain why it would be a good reason for Ukraine to negotiate an end to the War now.

Knowing that Russia will invade Ukraine again in say 5-10 years. After Russias military has time to recover.

And when Russia invades Ukraine again, does Ukraine come to the table and negotiate that land to Russia as well?

 

[Rholk]

They are being invaded yes. But that “special operation” to “kill the nazis” Putin started didn’t have all of Ukraine in its scope only a select few regions that were inclined towards Russia. His scam of an operation was limited in scope.

foreigners giving Ukraine false hope about a sustained resistance and victory and pouring 100s of billions of dollars into counter offensives etc expanded that scope.


There is a reason half the nation no longer supports this level of commitment to Ukraine. You can call it MAGA craziness or Trump being a Russian agent or whatever but a growing number of Americans are sick of cheerleading Ukrainians to their death. It’s time to reach out to Russia and get a deal about the future I am sure Russians aren’t enjoying the sanctions and economic damage either

What an uncoherent rambling of idiotic conclusions if i may summarize

 

[mjfan23]

Explain why it would be a good reason for Ukraine to negotiate an end to the War now.

Knowing that Russia will invade Ukraine again in say 5-10 years. After Russias military has time to recover.

And when Russia invades Ukraine again, does Ukraine come to the table and negotiate that land to Russia as well?

A good reason to negotiate an end for Ukraine? Stop the dying and life in a warzone!!!

Russia will do it again in 5-10 years? Like there’s nothing that can be done to prevent it e.g. granting NATO membership, giving them better air defences etc.

Also you still didn’t answer how many thousands are regularly dying in this invasion?

We shouldn’t fund this war without a proper exit strategy. It’s gonna end up being like Afghanistan where after two decades and trillions of dollars we ran away handing the country to who we went to wipe out: the Taliban!

 

[PEB]

france need uranium more than any nation on earth.

In 2022, France five largest uranium suppliers
Natural uranium imported into France
Kazakhstan (23,822 t)
Niger (17,615 t)
Uzbekistan (16,792 t)
Australia (12,349 t)
Namibia (12,303 t)


Niger and Namibia were extremely discounted for the French. ( French multinational companies owning the mines ) cfa. Etc.



They have / are losing that region and monopoly they've held for nearly a century.

Having four of its top five uranium producers more pro Russian has to be terrifying for a nation that is 65% nuclear power.

They were going for a bigger deal with Mongolia but that's been halted .


They still are buying enriched uranium from Moscow.

Can the EU and US end their dependence on Russia’s nuclear energy industry? - Energy Post

Can the EU and US end their dependence on […]

energypost.eu

Really good read.

They will figure it out the world has a way to devest themselves from these problems.

The Ukraine accounts for 0.43% of global production, with the largest producers being Kazakhstan, Canada, Namibia and Australia.

I bet Ukraine has a lot more then anyone is talking about and Russia knows it.

 

[mjfan23]

What an uncoherent rambling of idiotic conclusions if i may summarize

cool summary bro. Keep it handy cause more and more of us are tired of the shit show in Ukraine and very soon a sizeable majority will be against funding it.

 

[syct23]

A good reason to negotiate an end for Ukraine? Stop the dying and life in a warzone!!!

Russia will do it again in 5-10 years? Like there’s nothing that can be done to prevent it e.g. granting NATO membership, giving them better air defences etc.

Also you still didn’t answer how many thousands are regularly dying in this invasion?

We shouldn’t fund this war without a proper exit strategy. It’s gonna end up being like Afghanistan where after two decades and trillions of dollars we ran away handing the country to who we went to wipe out: the Taliban!

I don’t think anyone of us civilians has a true number of how many thousands have died so far, they are keeping that pretty close to the vest.

But what are the true numbers that you know of?

 

[Cid]

Ukraine claiming to have destroyed 6 fighter jets and damaged another 8 in Morozovsk airbase attack that reportedly saw up to 60 drone strikes land in a single attack.

 

[PEB]

@mjfan23 they know what is at stake and it is still much older then the US.
"
Arsenal footballer Oleksandr Zinchenko says he would leave the UK to fight in Ukraine if he was called up.

The 27-year-old told BBC Newsnight he has donated about £1m to help people in his home country since Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022.

He said Ukraine has become a "shield" for Europe and called for more support.

On Wednesday, the country's president signed into law a bill lowering the military mobilisation age from 27 to 25.

This would allow the country to call up more people to replenish its reserves and comes after President Volodymyr Zelensky said in December that the country would need 500,000 more soldiers to be mobilised."

 

[mjfan23]

I don’t think anyone of us civilians has a true number of how many thousands have died so far, they are keeping that pretty close to the vest.

But what are the true numbers that you know of?

I don’t. And I think the numbers are likely a lot lower then that we saw in other invasions or wars of late

 

[Anewt]

Explain why it would be a good reason for Ukraine to negotiate an end to the War now.

Knowing that Russia will invade Ukraine again in say 5-10 years. After Russias military has time to recover.

And when Russia invades Ukraine again, does Ukraine come to the table and negotiate that land to Russia as well?

Make arrangements to allow Ukraine to join nato.. or put nato is obligated to defend Ukrainian soil. Same shit with the other nato nations on Russia's borders, provides a good prevention.


Or you build defences for 5 10 years. Rebuild what you can . Make the country more stable . Allow freedom. Be democratic.

Apparently sanctions are crippling Russia according to this thread. 5 - 10 years they're even weaker.... if you believe they're being crippled.

Crimea and donbas aren't getting back into Ukrainian hands anytime soon sadly.

 

[Anewt]

They will figure it out the world has a way to devest themselves from these problems.

The Ukraine accounts for 0.43% of global production, with the largest producers being Kazakhstan, Canada, Namibia and Australia.

I bet Ukraine has a lot more then anyone is talking about and Russia knows it.

Huh? I don't really know what point you're making there