International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Cid]

 

[AWilder]

 

[Rholk]

Not sure we can cheer on this one just jet, Russia claiming it was carrying 65 Ukrainian POWs, although they provided no concrete evidence for their claims thus far, it shouldn't be too hard to prove.
Ukraine claimed it was carrying AA missiles

 

[AWilder]

Not sure we can cheer on this one just jet, Russia claiming it was carrying 65 Ukrainian POWs, although they provided no concrete evidence for their claims thus far, it shouldn't be too hard to prove.
Ukraine claimed it was carrying AA missiles

Why would Russia be flying POWs around? Seems more like a convenient lie from the country that literally cannot tell the truth.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Why would Russia be flying POWs around? Seems more like a convenient lie from the country that literally cannot tell the truth.

I thought that too, no way they would transport them in a plane. They would be stuffed in a train or dirty buses not wasting air time to do that. When Russia talks Russia lies....plain and simple.

 

[AWilder]

I thought that too, no way they would transport them in a plane. They would be stuffed in a train or dirty buses not wasting air time to do that. When Russia talks Russia lies....plain and simple.

it's more likely Russia already murdered these POWs and used this as an excuse.

 

[PEB]

it's more likely Russia already murdered these POWs and used this as an excuse.

That was the first thing I thought had happened.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Why would Russia be flying POWs around? Seems more like a convenient lie from the country that literally cannot tell the truth.

-- Putin is a big fan of the movie Con Air!

 

[Bagatur]

Why would Russia be flying POWs around? Seems more like a convenient lie from the country that literally cannot tell the truth.

Russian are also claiming there were a couple of pilots and a couple of crew members. no way a few soldiers are handling dozens of PoWs.

 

[Rholk]

Russias claim looking more unlikely:
They released a list of POWs on the plane.

turns out a substantial amount of them were already exchanged a while back

 

[AWilder]

Russias claim looking more unlikely:
They released a list of POWs on the plane.

turns out a substantial amount of them were already exchanged a while back

people had also said the plane was recently in Iran, lending support to the idea that it was carrying weapons

 

[AWilder]

 

[syct23]

Putins like, we will take back Alaska and you can have Sweden..

NATO: We will take both…

 

[Rholk]

don't think it's definitive but so far little convincing in Russian claims

 

[AWilder]

 

[AWilder]

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Britons 'face Army conscription if Russia attacks'

General Sir Patrick Sanders, Chief of the General Staff, will stress the need for ministers to 'mobilise the nation' in the event of a wider conflict against Russia amid its invasion of Ukraine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[mjfan23]

for those following this more closely: was the plane carrying POWs or weapons or not related/relevant to the war?

 

[SandisLL]

Not sure we can cheer on this one just jet, Russia claiming it was carrying 65 Ukrainian POWs, although they provided no concrete evidence for their claims thus far, it shouldn't be too hard to prove.
Ukraine claimed it was carrying AA missiles

Actually doesn't matter what is told for plebs.

We even don't know in reality why airplane get down....maybe cos excellent maintenance and beautiful upkeep or...friendly fire or...cos ukr.
Also we don't know had this plane any POVs or didn't had...

All we know is that plane really is down, this is all we know...

 

[Rholk]

for those following this more closely: was the plane carrying POWs or weapons or not related/relevant to the war?

Not 100% sure at this point imo.
So far there has been very little evidence for Russia's claim it was carrying POW's:

to summarize:

Things pointing to Russia telling the truth:
-Ukraine first proudly announced it had shot down a Russian aircraft, and after Russian claimed it was full of Ukrainians they withdrew their claims;
-UAF claim that it was carrying S300 missiles also seems unlikely, as that would likely mean a way bigger explosion on impact.

Things point to Russian lying:
-The ratio of Russian Crew/POW seems highly unlikely: 65x POW, 6 aircrew and 3 guards (!);
-The supposed route it took was Jan 23 > Russia to Iran, then Iran > Russia on the 24th, before it got shot down, making the transport of arms seem more likely than that of POW taking a holiday trip,
-Russia released a list of POW's that were killed, somehow it contained some 15 (?) POWs that were already released, making it seem like they are just making stuff up again (whats new),
-From the crash video it seems like the plane was headed away from Ukraine which would be weird if it was containing POW's heading for Ukraine although this could be explained by the plane manouvering after beeing hit;
-Footage from the crash site, from Pro-Russian sources, shows very little in terms of human casualties, which could pretty much be able to prove their claims without much doubt.

So i'd put my money on Russia lying (what's new).

And if we're talking about who is to blame for this then surely Russia. Even if it was holding POW's if i'm not mistaking you're supposed to mark / identify vehicles and camps holding POWs

minor edit: most of this is based on unverified stuff online, so it's a guessin game in that regard.