International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

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[PEB]

 

[PEB]

Russian mothers, wife's and children of soldiers deployed are mad that their family members have been deployed over the 1 year contract but refuse to condemn the war that Pultler started. When it comes to complaining about Putin's war any Russian citizen looks like this soon after slamming Putin military great freedom in a fascism state. This is what Putin does what Trump wants for the US and North Korea and Iran already do.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Russian mothers, wife's and children of soldiers deployed are mad that their family members have been deployed over the 1 year contract but refuse to condemn the war that Pultler started. When it comes to complaining about Putin's war any Russian citizen looks like this soon after slamming Putin military great freedom in a fascism state. This is what Putin does what Trump wants for the US and North Korea and Iran already do.

It's a sad story really. When a woman get's 7 years in jail for putting anti war stickers on items in a grocery store. There has been lots of videos of unhappy soldiers and wives about what's going on but it's small potatoes in the grans scheme of things. Just shut up and soldier on or else....Anti war protests will also be at a minimum as they will likely end up in jail. No easy way out of this mess for anybody.

 

[PEB]

It's a sad story really. When a woman get's 7 years in jail for putting anti war stickers on items in a grocery store. There has been lots of videos of unhappy soldiers and wives about what's going on but it's small potatoes in the grans scheme of things. Just shut up and soldier on or else....Anti war protests will also be at a minimum as they will likely end up in jail. No easy way out of this mess for anybody.

In Western part of Russia people had started to complain and Putin sent his goons the "FSB" KGB replacement to there to get them in line with threats and potential of jail time or send their family member to war.

 

[Cid]

You're really a proper dumb cunt aren't you?

War is won on logistics. Ukraine is entirely dependent on NATO support to keep going. Whatever monetary and material support it receives can and will fluctuate based on political will in the West. There is a reason why Zelensky has do to his speech tours every chance he gets . NATO members have not delivered the weapons and ammo they promised in both numbers and time schedule. As a result, Ukraine is at a severe disadvantage in attritional warfare in a transparent battlefield. Now add a growing manpower shortage to its burgeoning list of problems.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/19/europe/ukraine-difficulties-in-military-recruitment-intl/index.html

Ukraine’s Manpower Requirements Reaching a Critical Threshold

Following Ukraine’s successful Kherson counteroffensive in the fall of 2022, the war in Ukraine has moved into the Materialschlacht, or war of attrition phase, which is rapidly depleting critical resources. Typically, when discussing resources in this sense, Ukraine is most often referring to...

jamestown.org

'A perfect storm is brewing for Ukraine and its allies. Negative developments everywhere are converging'

COLUMN. Ukraine and its allies have entered a difficult military, diplomatic and economic phase. Russia is taking advantage of this, writes Le Monde columnist Sylvie Kauffmann.

www.lemonde.fr

Ukraine official says it can't properly use its Western kit because it has so few soldiers left, report says

Ukraine's army is in such dire need of manpower that it is preventing it using some Western equipment, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Time magazine.

www.businessinsider.com

Ukraine war: Putin avoids further mobilisation while Kyiv suffers manpower shortage

It is Kyiv, not Moscow, that is feeling the pressure as the war drags on with no end in sight.

theconversation.com

Proper dumb cunt requires a colossal display of stupidity.

Like when you backed up my statement about battlefield transparency thinking you were rebutting it.

That was a proper dumb cunt display.

Going to have to settle for regular dumb cunt myself. But I do feel if we continue these conversations your expertise in this area may begin to rub off on me.




Anyways nice goal post shift. You've finally managed to bring up some points of legitimate concern for Ukraines war effort. Of course you've also included arguments that are fucking retarded but it's an improvement from all your points being retarded.


Wars are won on logistics, Ukraine is reliant on help and only a handful of the countries providing that help are willing to depart with more than 1% of their GDP to help. America is sending less than .25% I believe.

The type of war also plays into Russian hands. Western forces (with the exception of SK) are not artillery heavy forces. We're SEAD forces followed by dropping bombs with impunity and rolling over the wreckage with ground forces.

So there are some areas that need to scale up. Particularly artillery production. This isn't that difficult. Being shit in an area doesn't mean it's hard to scale. Scaling 100k shells to 300k shells is substantially easier than scaling 1M shells to 2M shells. Scaling 300k shells to 1M is substantially easier than scaling 2M to 4M.

Then there's a whole bunch of areas where we don't have to scale at all.

The stuff we retire will more than fill any requirements Ukraine may need in a slew of different categories. Air frames are the obvious example. F-16 is the most prevalent fighter in the world.

Russia on the other hand has to scale everything.

On the other hand, Russia is in a much better position today than compared to last year. Its army doubled in size with only 1 round of limited mobilization last year. Unlike Ukraine, it has a thriving defense industry that has recovered from the initial shock of Western sanctions by sourcing parts from China.

Russia’s Military Has Improved — The West Should Take Note

Putin appears determined to stay in this fight for the long haul, having shifted the Russian economy to a wartime footing.

cepa.org

Russia ramps up output of some military hardware by more than tenfold - state company

Russia has ramped up the production of some military hardware by more than tenfold to supply its army in Ukraine, significantly increasing the output of missiles, drones, combat vehicles and artillery, Russia's biggest weapons producer said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Russian military boosted by 335K new troops, defence minister says - National | Globalnews.ca

While Ukraine was able to win back territory last year from Russia in attacks which humiliated the Russian armed forces, this year has been different.

globalnews.ca

The writing is on the wall. Keep your head in your ass all you want.

This is hilarious.

You're talking about the importance of logistics and material and then you're saying Russia is stronger nearly 2 years into a war after losing over 13,000 vehicles?

After 10M+ shells fired?
Half the artillery pieces removed from storage....

Russia was firing up to 50k shells a day with a production rate of about a million year.
I know you're retarded but you can figure out firing at that rate burns through a million shells in 20 days right?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

In Western part of Russia people had started to complain and Putin sent his goons the "FSB" KGB replacement to there to get them in line with threats and potential of jail time or send their family member to war.

Yep, and that's the big prob in Russia...say anything anti Putin or war and you either die or go to jail. That's why big money is spent on State Media TV and propaganda news outlets. Not to mention paid bloggers and even low level shill like grimballer getting their roubles for saying his same 3 propaganda lines over and over.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

I Watch the Russian dude's you tube update's and he has been pro UKR as he had to leave Russia due to the war and other factors. He does a good job and even makes fun of Russian propaganda and how pathetic is. However on today's episode he almost did a 180 and spelled gloom and doom over UKR in every little way, it's almost like the KGB got to him or something.

 

[AWilder]

I Watch the Russian dude's you tube update's and he has been pro UKR as he had to leave Russia due to the war and other factors. He does a good job and even makes fun of Russian propaganda and how pathetic is. However on today's episode he almost did a 180 and spelled gloom and doom over UKR in every little way, it's almost like the KGB got to him or something.

Which one?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Which one?

He’s called “The Russian dude” kinda a goofy guy but he’s informative and a tad entertaining

 

[Rholk]

 

[giusti825]

The Ukrainians Have Blown Up So Many Russian Vehicles Near Avdiivka That The Russians Are Now Attacking On Foot​

Artillery from the Ukrainian 53rd Mechanized Brigade. 53rd Mechanized Brigade photo

"Russia’s staggering losses were “likely due to a combination of relative effectiveness of Ukraine’s modern hand-held anti-armor weapons, mines, uncrewed aerial vehicle-dropped munitions and precision artillery systems,” the ministry added. Both sides in the Avdiivka battle have fired cluster shells at the other, but these munitions work best against an exposed force—and in and around Avdiivka, it’s the Russians who are exposed.

Even Russia with its vast reserves of aged Cold War vehicles can’t afford to keep losing these vehicles at a rate of hundreds per week across Ukraine. Perhaps noting the Ukrainians’ success with dismounted infantry assaults in Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk this summer, the Russians began holding back their surviving vehicles and, instead, sending the infantry out on foot.

“In contrast to the initial month of assaults, Russian forces are employing fewer vehicles in smaller numbers,” Ukrainian analysis group Frontelligence Insight noted. “There's a notable increase in the use of small tactical groups, consistently moving in the same areas despite prior losses.”

So far, it’s not working very well. “Ours advanced towards the coke plant [in northern Avdiivka], covering another hundred meters in the face of enemy fire,” one Russian observer reported. “Also, shock assault groups advanced from the right [southern] side of the village [of] Stepovoe on the northern side.”

“We managed to knock out the enemy with two landings. And here the progress amounted to several hundreds of meters, but achieved with considerable effort.”

“Considerable effort” in this case means potentially thousands of casualties on the bloody fields around Avdiivka. “It is plausible that Russia has suffered several thousand personnel casualties around the town since the start of October 2023,” the U.K. Defense Ministry stated.

To put that into perspective, 70,000 Ukrainian troops died in the first 18 months of Russia’s wider war on Ukraine, while 120,000 Russians died in the same period. This according to an August report by The New York Times. All that is to say, around 3,900 Ukrainians and 6,700 Russians die per month, on average."

MSN

www.msn.com

The meatwall continues.

It's lies and propaganda like this in the MSM that gets people believing that Ukraine is winning the war.

These numbers are completely inaccurate. Ukraine has lost far more soldiers than Russia, which is rare for a defending army.

Russia also has way more reserves and a way larger population of fighting age males to draw from.

Ukraine has lost 20% of it's land and the average age of their soldiers is now over 40.

Ukraine is not capable of winning this war. The longer this drags on, the weaker their negotiating position will be in peace talks.

Keep in mind MSN has no journalistic ethics. They should voluntarily disclose that they are sponsored by weapons companies. Companies that fund mainstream news organizations directly profit from sending more weapons to a war with no hope of victory.

Ukranian lives are literally being sold on the cheap for the coffers of Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Northrop Grummond and Boeing. It's so immoral it should be criminal.

 

[Rholk]

It's lies and propaganda like this in the MSM that gets people believing that Ukraine is winning the war.

These numbers are completely inaccurate. Ukraine has lost far more soldiers than Russia, which is rare for a defending army.

Russia also has way more reserves and a way larger population of fighting age males to draw from.

Ukraine has lost 20% of it's land and the average age of their soldiers is now over 40.

Ukraine is not capable of winning this war. The longer this drags on, the weaker their negotiating position will be in peace talks.

Keep in mind MSN has no journalistic ethics. They should voluntarily disclose that they are sponsored by weapons companies. Companies that fund mainstream news organizations directly profit from sending more weapons to a war with no hope of victory.

Ukranian lives are literally being sold on the cheap for the coffers of Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Northrop Grummond and Boeing. It's so immoral it should be criminal.

"Boohoo i don't like the numbers, they must be fake!"

Can't trust the big bad MSM ofcourse

Casually advocating the criminalisation of supporting Ukraine

Allround great comment man.

 

[PEB]

 

[Rholk]

You're usually well informed regarding defense stuff, what do you make of the SR72 stuff?

 

[Why did you]

Russian mothers, wife's and children of soldiers deployed are mad that their family members have been deployed over the 1 year contract but refuse to condemn the war that Pultler started. When it comes to complaining about Putin's war any Russian citizen looks like this soon after slamming Putin military great freedom in a fascism state. This is what Putin does what Trump wants for the US and North Korea and Iran already do.

if no one would want to fight , politicians would not go to war, so no wars in that case
but there is always enough people ready to lose their lives because their country president said so

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

It's lies and propaganda like this in the MSM that gets people believing that Ukraine is winning the war.

These numbers are completely inaccurate. Ukraine has lost far more soldiers than Russia, which is rare for a defending army.

Russia also has way more reserves and a way larger population of fighting age males to draw from.

Ukraine has lost 20% of it's land and the average age of their soldiers is now over 40.

Ukraine is not capable of winning this war. The longer this drags on, the weaker their negotiating position will be in peace talks.

Keep in mind MSN has no journalistic ethics. They should voluntarily disclose that they are sponsored by weapons companies. Companies that fund mainstream news organizations directly profit from sending more weapons to a war with no hope of victory.

Ukranian lives are literally being sold on the cheap for the coffers of Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Northrop Grummond and Boeing. It's so immoral it should be criminal.

You also said UKR wasnt crossing the Dniepo river and that was all western propaganda but then Shoigu came out and said over 13,000 UKR soldiers had been killed in the river crossing....totally believable. Basically what your saying is the only truth is Russian propaganda everything else is a lie.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

if no one would want to fight , politicians would not go to war, so no wars in that case
but there is always enough people ready to lose their lives because their country president said so

That's some serious information right der.

 

[Strychnine]

Ukraine's risky decision to stay and let Russia bash its forces against Bakhmut came with costs but was worth it​

Ukrainian soldiers fire artillery at Russian positions near Bakhmut, in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, on Nov. 20, 2022


"Kyiv dismissed skepticism at home and abroad and calls for it to rethink its approach to the city's defense, including calls from its Western allies to consider withdrawing and focus the effort elsewhere along the front lines.

The risky decision to stay there came with significant costs, and Moscow eventually captured the city in May. But war experts say that it paid off for Ukraine, both at the time and in the months that have followed.

The decision to fight for Bakhmut "had some pretty serious ramifications," George Barros, an analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, told Business Insider. Had Ukraine not stuck it out, Russia might never have experienced a number of important problems that degraded the country's war machine during and after the battle.

By staying and fighting in Bakhmut, Kyiv managed to stop Russia from moving deeper into eastern Ukraine, pin down large elements of the Russian military, including more elite units like Moscow's airborne forces, and hinder Russia's ability to maintain a large strategic reserve.

Mark Cancian, a retired US Marine Corps colonel and a senior advisor at the Center for Strategic International Studies, said Ukraine exhausted Russian forces during the battle for Bakhmut and denied Moscow the opportunity to make more significant territorial progress.

"The Russians bled themselves in trying to take Bakhmut," he told Business Insider."

MSN

Looks like Bakhmut wasn't a Ukrainian folly that the naysayers thought it was and now the Russians are doing the same to Andriivka, but this time they're facing cluster munitions.

 

[Strychnine]