International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[Cid]

That's horseshit.

The only reason Ukraine has a transparent view of the battlefield is NATO intelligence support (satellite, AEW, drones, ELINT, HUMINT).

This explanation backs my assertion.

Explaining how this transparency is achieved isn't a counter argument to my assertion you dullard.

To rebut a statement you provide evidence that contradicts the assertion, explaining how the assertion is achieved re-enforces my statement.

It's like you have some kind of intellectual disability.

It is Ukraine that cannot afford positional warfare with high attrition due to its demographics. Already Ukraine is suffering from a shortage of men. I'd give Ukraine 8 months before it concedes territories currently occupied by Russia.

Read between the lines:

‘If Not Me, Who?’: As Ukraine Seeks Troops, Women Prepare for the Call (Published 2023)

With so much in the war against Russia hinging on refilling the ranks of soldiers, efforts are underway to draw more Ukrainian women into the army.

www.nytimes.com

Next week there will be a comprehensive mobilization plan, - Zelensky​

На следующей неделе будет комплексный план по мобилизации, - Зеленский

В частности, граждане Украины должны знать весь план действий по мобилизации и демобилизации, сказал президент.

www-unian-net.translate.goog

Ukraines 20-30M demographics are horrible.
Ukraines 30-40M demographic is not horrible.
Ukraines 35-40M demographic is their largest male demographic.

Maybe you should read the lines before trying to read between them.
Prime fighting age males are in short supply. Fighting age males aren't.

 

[AWilder]

It's the West and NATO who backed the coup in 2014. It's the West that is constantly trying to expand NATO closer to the Russian border. It's quite literally the West's fault.

Go tell Yugoslavia and Libya that NATO is a defensive alliance.

NATO was designed to be a counterbalance against the USSR, not Russia. The USSR has been gone for decades, NATO should have dissolved long ago as it is now unnecessary.

NATO wasn't supposed to expand "one inch" east of Germany. It has expanded to over a dozen countries easy of Germany.

Historically, Russia has been invaded 5 times via routes through Ukraine. Having Ukraine become a member of a hostile military alliance was an unacceptable existential risk for Russia.

Lmao the west backed the coup, yet it was Russian troops on the ground in donbass and crimea. Jesus Christ you Russian shills are some dumb fucks.

 

[AWilder]

Start keeping a tally of who is getting things right vs who is getting things wrong and you will see a lot more substack and Rumble consumers among those who are actually well-informed vs mainstream media consumers.

<45>
hilarious.

 

[giusti825]

Look at this goober trying to tell NATO what they should or should not be doing cause Russia said so....eat shit.

The outcome was obvious from the outset. I didn't want them to learn the hard way, but apparently they're to stupid for their own good.

 

[giusti825]

We're headed into year 3 of Russias 3 day special military operation dipshit please tell us more about your special media consumption operation that grants you special predictive powers... better yet you should share with your comrades as they could use the insight

Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, Kim Iversen, Richard Medhurst, Ryan Christian, Max Blumenthal, Russell Brand, Colonel Douglas McGregor, Ron Paul, John Mersheimer, Scott Ritter and Aaron Mate ALL predicted how this war would go.

NATO leadership is either downright incompetent or funding this war was all just a giveaway to the arms industry with no intention of victory, at the expense off hundreds of thousands off ukranian lives. In either case, NATO needs to go.

The Internet exists folks. Go back and read the threads. Go to YouTube or rumble and watch the videos. Who got things right and who got them wrong?

Did the mainstream media retract their mistakes?

Independent media never needed to.

The mainstream media repeated whatever propaganda they were told without evidence, no matter how ridiculous. They reported that Russia blew up their own pipeline, ffs.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, Kim Iversen, Richard Medhurst, Ryan Christian, Max Blumenthal, Russell Brand, Colonel Douglas McGregor, Ron Paul, John Mersheimer, Scott Ritter and Aaron Mate ALL predicted how this war would go.

NATO leadership is either downright incompetent or funding this war was all just a giveaway to the arms industry with no intention of victory. In either case, NATO needs to go.

The Internet exists folks. Go back and read the threads. Go to YouTube or rumble and watch the videos. Who got things right and who got them wrong?

Did the mainstream media retract their mistakes?

Independent media never needed to.

The mainstream media repeated whatever propaganda they were told without evidence, no matter how ridiculous. They reported that Russia blew up their own pipeline, ffs.

So what would you do if you were UKR? Just surrender and give Putler what ever land he wants? And of course what ever "peace" agreement Putin signed would be honored right? He surely would never invade again would he? You talk about how hard the war has been for UKR but what about the shit kicking and loses Russia has taken?? No matter what happens Russia will never be the same after this is done and things will be worse for them not better even if they manage to steal some land.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Lmao the west backed the coup, yet it was Russian troops on the ground in donbass and crimea. Jesus Christ you Russian shills are some dumb fucks.

Notice the shills have the exact same handful of bumper sticker statements they use every time.?

 

[giusti825]

So what would you do if you were UKR? Just surrender and give Putler what ever land he wants? And of course what ever "peace" agreement Putin signed would be honored right? He surely would never invade again would he? You talk about how hard the war has been for UKR but what about the shit kicking and loses Russia has taken?? No matter what happens Russia will never be the same after this is done and things will be worse for them not better even if they manage to steal some land.

No. If I were Ukraine, I wouldn't have provoked the invasion in the first place. I would've adhered to the Minsk accords.

Secondly, if I were Ukraine, I would've taken the peace deal offered a month after the invasion while I was in a better negotiating position instead of listening to Boris Johnson and backing out of the deal. In that instance, I would've only lost Donesk and Lugansk and had security guarantees. Zaparozhia and Kherson would still be mine and hundreds of thousands of my soldiers would still be alive.

Since Ukraine failed to honor the Minsk accords and then backed out of the peace deal their diplomats agreed to in Turkey, the rest of the war was easily predictable. Short of NATO troops entering the war, Ukraine never stood a chance.

I've said numerous times in this thread that Ukraine's negotiating position would only get worse and worse if they backed out of the agreement made in Turkey; now they've lost 20% of their country and the average age of a military member is over 40.

They would've been better off keeping their agreements.

 

[giusti825]

Notice the shills have the exact same handful of bumper sticker statements they use every time.?

Were you one of the people comically asserting that Ukraine was winning the war?

Notice the MSM watchers trying to deflect instead of just admitting that they were wrong and the independent media consumers were correct.

They should take this as an opportunity to become better informed, but I think they'd rather keep their heads buried in the sand.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Were you one of the people comically asserting that Ukraine was winning the war?

Notice the MSM watchers trying to deflect instead of just admitting that they were wrong and the independent media consumers were correct.

They should take this as an opportunity to become better informed, but I think they'd rather keep their heads buried in the sand.

Never said UKR was winning but unless you listen to Shoigu you must know Russian loses dwarf what UKR has lost and the 3 day special military operation has become an epic failure which will be Russias demise at some point.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

No. If I were Ukraine, I wouldn't have provoked the invasion in the first place. I would've adhered to the Minsk accords.

Secondly, if I were Ukraine, I would've taken the peace deal offered a month after the invasion while I was in a better negotiating position instead of listening to Boris Johnson and backing out of the deal. In that instance, I would've only lost Donesk and Lugansk and had security guarantees. Zaparozhia and Kherson would still be mine and hundreds of thousands of my soldiers would still be alive.

Since Ukraine failed to honor the Minsk accords and then backed out of the peace deal their diplomats agreed to in Turkey, the rest of the war was easily predictable. Short of NATO troops entering the war, Ukraine never stood a chance.

I've said numerous times in this thread that Ukraine's negotiating position would only get worse and worse if they backed out of the agreement made in Turkey; now they've lost 20% of their country and the average age of a military member is over 40.

They would've been better off keeping their agreements.

Russia doesnt keep to their agreements even if the "peace" deal was true.
Grimballer...is this you?

 

[curryjunkie]

No. If I were Ukraine, I wouldn't have provoked the invasion in the first place. I would've adhered to the Minsk accords.

Secondly, if I were Ukraine, I would've taken the peace deal offered a month after the invasion while I was in a better negotiating position instead of listening to Boris Johnson and backing out of the deal. In that instance, I would've only lost Donesk and Lugansk and had security guarantees. Zaparozhia and Kherson would still be mine and hundreds of thousands of my soldiers would still be alive.

Since Ukraine failed to honor the Minsk accords and then backed out of the peace deal their diplomats agreed to in Turkey, the rest of the war was easily predictable. Short of NATO troops entering the war, Ukraine never stood a chance.

I've said numerous times in this thread that Ukraine's negotiating position would only get worse and worse if they backed out of the agreement made in Turkey; now they've lost 20% of their country and the average age of a military member is over 40.

They would've been better off keeping their agreements.

plankety plank..

 

[Orgasmo]

This explanation backs my assertion.

Explaining how this transparency is achieved isn't a counter argument to my assertion you dullard.

To rebut a statement you provide evidence that contradicts the assertion, explaining how the assertion is achieved re-enforces my statement.

It's like you have some kind of intellectual disability.


Ukraines 20-30M demographics are horrible.
Ukraines 30-40M demographic is not horrible.
Ukraines 35-40M demographic is their largest male demographic.

Maybe you should read the lines before trying to read between them.
Prime fighting age males are in short supply. Fighting age males aren't.

You're really a proper dumb cunt aren't you?

War is won on logistics. Ukraine is entirely dependent on NATO support to keep going. Whatever monetary and material support it receives can and will fluctuate based on political will in the West. There is a reason why Zelensky has do to his speech tours every chance he gets . NATO members have not delivered the weapons and ammo they promised in both numbers and time schedule. As a result, Ukraine is at a severe disadvantage in attritional warfare in a transparent battlefield. Now add a growing manpower shortage to its burgeoning list of problems.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/19/europe/ukraine-difficulties-in-military-recruitment-intl/index.html

Ukraine’s Manpower Requirements Reaching a Critical Threshold

Following Ukraine’s successful Kherson counteroffensive in the fall of 2022, the war in Ukraine has moved into the Materialschlacht, or war of attrition phase, which is rapidly depleting critical resources. Typically, when discussing resources in this sense, Ukraine is most often referring to...

jamestown.org

'A perfect storm is brewing for Ukraine and its allies. Negative developments everywhere are converging'

COLUMN. Ukraine and its allies have entered a difficult military, diplomatic and economic phase. Russia is taking advantage of this, writes Le Monde columnist Sylvie Kauffmann.

www.lemonde.fr

Ukraine official says it can't properly use its Western kit because it has so few soldiers left, report says

Ukraine's army is in such dire need of manpower that it is preventing it using some Western equipment, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Time magazine.

www.businessinsider.com

Ukraine war: Putin avoids further mobilisation while Kyiv suffers manpower shortage

It is Kyiv, not Moscow, that is feeling the pressure as the war drags on with no end in sight.

theconversation.com

On the other hand, Russia is in a much better position today than compared to last year. Its army doubled in size with only 1 round of limited mobilization last year. Unlike Ukraine, it has a thriving defense industry that has recovered from the initial shock of Western sanctions by sourcing parts from China.

Russia’s Military Has Improved — The West Should Take Note

Putin appears determined to stay in this fight for the long haul, having shifted the Russian economy to a wartime footing.

cepa.org

Russia ramps up output of some military hardware by more than tenfold - state company

Russia has ramped up the production of some military hardware by more than tenfold to supply its army in Ukraine, significantly increasing the output of missiles, drones, combat vehicles and artillery, Russia's biggest weapons producer said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Russian military boosted by 335K new troops, defence minister says - National | Globalnews.ca

While Ukraine was able to win back territory last year from Russia in attacks which humiliated the Russian armed forces, this year has been different.

globalnews.ca

The writing is on the wall. Keep your head in your ass all you want.

 

[AWilder]

Notice the shills have the exact same handful of bumper sticker statements they use every time.?

And they all ignore the complete embarrassment of the Russian black sea fleet.

 

[AWilder]

Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, Kim Iversen, Richard Medhurst, Ryan Christian, Max Blumenthal, Russell Brand, Colonel Douglas McGregor, Ron Paul, John Mersheimer, Scott Ritter and Aaron Mate ALL predicted how this war would go.

What a group! <45>

 

[calavera2]

Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, Kim Iversen, Richard Medhurst, Ryan Christian, Max Blumenthal, Russell Brand, Colonel Douglas McGregor, Ron Paul, John Mersheimer, Scott Ritter and Aaron Mate ALL predicted how this war would go.

NATO leadership is either downright incompetent or funding this war was all just a giveaway to the arms industry with no intention of victory, at the expense off hundreds of thousands off ukranian lives. In either case, NATO needs to go.

The Internet exists folks. Go back and read the threads. Go to YouTube or rumble and watch the videos. Who got things right and who got them wrong?

Did the mainstream media retract their mistakes?

Independent media never needed to.

The mainstream media repeated whatever propaganda they were told without evidence, no matter how ridiculous. They reported that Russia blew up their own pipeline, ffs.

This explains quite a bit and why you have brain rot. "NATO needs to go" just can it you goober.

The Internet does indeed exist do you recall how Russia was never going to invade (IMmiNeNT), the bioweapons labs, the nazis, and on and on.

You think you have a point because Ukraine is fighting and dying for their country but you don't know shit. You listen to your Russian ass kissers and you think you know something.

Your twitter blowhards don't know shit but sucking Russian prick. The mainstream media blows it's propaganda to garner support and your Russian media does what Russian media always does...spew bullshit

 

[calavera2]

You're really a proper dumb cunt aren't you?

War is won on logistics. Ukraine is entirely dependent on NATO support to keep going. Whatever monetary and material support it receives can and will fluctuate based on political will in the West. There is a reason why Zelensky has do to his speech tours every chance he gets . NATO members have not delivered the weapons and ammo they promised in both numbers and time schedule. As a result, Ukraine is at a severe disadvantage in attritional warfare in a transparent battlefield. Now add a growing manpower shortage to its burgeoning list of problems.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/19/europe/ukraine-difficulties-in-military-recruitment-intl/index.html

Ukraine’s Manpower Requirements Reaching a Critical Threshold

Following Ukraine’s successful Kherson counteroffensive in the fall of 2022, the war in Ukraine has moved into the Materialschlacht, or war of attrition phase, which is rapidly depleting critical resources. Typically, when discussing resources in this sense, Ukraine is most often referring to...

jamestown.org

'A perfect storm is brewing for Ukraine and its allies. Negative developments everywhere are converging'

COLUMN. Ukraine and its allies have entered a difficult military, diplomatic and economic phase. Russia is taking advantage of this, writes Le Monde columnist Sylvie Kauffmann.

www.lemonde.fr

Ukraine official says it can't properly use its Western kit because it has so few soldiers left, report says

Ukraine's army is in such dire need of manpower that it is preventing it using some Western equipment, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Time magazine.

www.businessinsider.com

Ukraine war: Putin avoids further mobilisation while Kyiv suffers manpower shortage

It is Kyiv, not Moscow, that is feeling the pressure as the war drags on with no end in sight.

theconversation.com

On the other hand, Russia is in a much better position today than compared to last year. Its army doubled in size with only 1 round of limited mobilization last year. Unlike Ukraine, it has a thriving defense industry that has recovered from the initial shock of Western sanctions by sourcing parts from China.

Russia’s Military Has Improved — The West Should Take Note

Putin appears determined to stay in this fight for the long haul, having shifted the Russian economy to a wartime footing.

cepa.org

Russia ramps up output of some military hardware by more than tenfold - state company

Russia has ramped up the production of some military hardware by more than tenfold to supply its army in Ukraine, significantly increasing the output of missiles, drones, combat vehicles and artillery, Russia's biggest weapons producer said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Russian military boosted by 335K new troops, defence minister says - National | Globalnews.ca

While Ukraine was able to win back territory last year from Russia in attacks which humiliated the Russian armed forces, this year has been different.

globalnews.ca

The writing is on the wall. Keep your head in your ass all you want.

This is more accurate and has been the case since the beginning so it's nothing new but it ain't over quite yet. The US and Europe are still pledging support, and we have yet to see the deployment of f16s and what impact they will have.

 

[Limbo Pete]

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Seems like Russia is going to win this, they are staying in for the long game.

American support is waning as we have a new war to focus on and that was the only thing keeping Ukraine in the game. Ukraine is out of soldiers, they are going to the 40 and 50 year olds now. After they are gone, they surrender or move to the women and children while Zelensky keeps begging for money.

 

[Blayt7hh]

No. If I were Ukraine, I wouldn't have provoked the invasion in the first place. I would've adhered to the Minsk accords.

Secondly, if I were Ukraine, I would've taken the peace deal offered a month after the invasion while I was in a better negotiating position instead of listening to Boris Johnson and backing out of the deal. In that instance, I would've only lost Donesk and Lugansk and had security guarantees. Zaparozhia and Kherson would still be mine and hundreds of thousands of my soldiers would still be alive.

Since Ukraine failed to honor the Minsk accords and then backed out of the peace deal their diplomats agreed to in Turkey, the rest of the war was easily predictable. Short of NATO troops entering the war, Ukraine never stood a chance.

I've said numerous times in this thread that Ukraine's negotiating position would only get worse and worse if they backed out of the agreement made in Turkey; now they've lost 20% of their country and the average age of a military member is over 40.

They would've been better off keeping their agreements.

No one predicted an Ukraine victory at the start of this war. No one thought it would last more than a month let alone see all the major success Ukraine has had against a much larger opponent. You’re a fucking liar and it’s pathetic