International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

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Hog-train said:
Germany just approved 8.5 billion in aid to Ukraine. I think the fearmongering of the West abandoning Ukraine is bullshit.

The West will see it through and will outlast Russia.

www.reuters.com

Germany set to double Ukraine military aid

German chancellor Olaf Scholz's governing coalition has agreed in principle to double the country's military aid for Ukraine next year to 8 billion euros ($8.5 billion), a political source in Berlin said on Sunday.
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Even if it costs us a bump in our taxes and every able bodied Ukrainian man for two generations, by God, we'll outlast Russia! And don't worry - we'll recoup costs in contracts for the rebuilding of Ukraine.
 
Rholk said:
Think it's quite obvious from his Mayberry threads that the dude is tolling pretty hard.
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He literally lives in a basement, so makes shit up to feel good about his shitty life, remember him claiming to be a genius
 
If about Russia's potential to add " meat " looks that they still does have a lot of potential.
They more recruited dregs of society and national minorities from remote areas with high unemployment % and low salaries.
Losing these doesn't appear to bother anyone in some St Pete or Moscow.

When they will start more to use middle class from areas like St Pete and Moscow then we will see.....different Russian nationalists reaction. Like with Afganistan ....

Ofc some % of forces Russia is using in Ukraine are decent and really worth professionals and these to loss is different story..........
Like why Wagnerites worshiped Putin and Prigi talked about La Manch and so on despite they had lost batches with prisoners and random mercenaries and then....surprisingly when friendly fire and irresponsible mine laying had took out enough real hardcore pros.....Prigi and Utkin get into mad mode.
 
jimbob27 said:
It's not the west's fault Russia lacks diplomatic influence with their neighbours and has to resort to violence to try and get their way.

NATO is a defensive alliance put together to counter Russian aggression. It's not for Russia to say who can or can't join. The fact Russia does have a habit of attacking it's neighbours very much justifies it's existence and why every country bordering Russia wants to join.
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It's the West and NATO who backed the coup in 2014. It's the West that is constantly trying to expand NATO closer to the Russian border. It's quite literally the West's fault.

Go tell Yugoslavia and Libya that NATO is a defensive alliance.

NATO was designed to be a counterbalance against the USSR, not Russia. The USSR has been gone for decades, NATO should have dissolved long ago as it is now unnecessary.

NATO wasn't supposed to expand "one inch" east of Germany. It has expanded to over a dozen countries easy of Germany.

Historically, Russia has been invaded 5 times via routes through Ukraine. Having Ukraine become a member of a hostile military alliance was an unacceptable existential risk for Russia.
 
I swear between this thread and the COVID protest thread, you can clearly see the damage the mainstream media does to the intelligence and logic of many posters on here.

It's kinda funny going back and reading the threads and seeing just how stupid some people have become.

There were actually people in here arguing that Ukraine was winning the war and would expel all Russian troops from Ukraine including Crimea.

Start keeping a tally of who is getting things right vs who is getting things wrong and you will see a lot more substack and Rumble consumers among those who are actually well-informed vs mainstream media consumers.

This war went exactly as I predicted it would because I was better informed by the journalists whose content I consume. The mainstream media is far more about propaganda than information and unbiased analysis.
 
Accounts will be evened.

www.yahoo.com

Ukraine's Security Service kills fugitive Ukrainian official who collaborated with Russia during Kharkiv Oblast occupation

Ukraine's Security Service has killed Oleksandr Slisarenko, a Ukrainian official who collaborated with Russian occupation forces, in the Russian city of Belgorod. Source: Ukrainska Pravda source in security forces Details: Oleksandr Slisarenko, Deputy Head of the Russian occupation...
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Ukraine's Security Service kills fugitive Ukrainian official who collaborated with Russia during Kharkiv Oblast occupation​

Ukrainska Pravda
Thu, November 23, 2023 at 9:49 AM PST·1 min read
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Ukraine’s Security Service has killed Oleksandr Slisarenko, a Ukrainian official who collaborated with Russian occupation forces, in the Russian city of Belgorod.

Source: Ukrainska Pravda source in security forces

Details: Oleksandr Slisarenko, Deputy Head of the Russian occupation administration in Kharkiv Oblast, was killed when his car exploded in Belgorod, Russia, on 16 November.

An anonymous source told Ukrainska Pravda that Ukraine’s Security Service was behind the incident.

The source said that Slisarenko died from injuries he suffered in the explosion.

Quote: "This former traitor used to work in Ukraine’s internal affairs agencies. He was an active participant in the anti-Maidan movement in Kharkiv [a movement opposing the Revolution of Dignity and its pro-European values – ed.] in 2014 and fought on the side of the so-called Luhansk People’s Republic as part of the Rys [Lynx] Special Forces unit in 2021-22. He became the Deputy Head for Internal Affairs of the Kharkiv Oblast occupation administration in the summer of 2022. He was involved in the atrocities committed by Russian forces on the occupied territories.

Ukraine’s Security Service served Slisarenko with a notice of suspicion of high treason, but he did not appear in court. But justice found him. The Russian authorities still haven’t said anything about the explosion that killed Slisarenko." "
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Another cannibal or two walking the streets of Russia....can't make this stuff up...also just 20 years for killing 4 people in a premeditated manner and then eating their hearts? The scary part is that they could have stayed in prison and been released in just ~6 more years.

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Russian Satanic cannibal cult murderer pardoned after fighting in Ukraine war

A Russian Satanist whose cannibalistic cult dismembered teenagers in a string of ritual murders before eating their hearts has been pardoned after fighting in Ukraine.
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Russian Satanic cannibal cult murderer pardoned after fighting in Ukraine war​

Timothy Sigsworth
Wed, November 22, 2023 at 6:46 AM PST·5 min read
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Nikolai Ogolobyak, who was sentenced to 20 years in a high-security penal colony in 2010

Nikolai Ogolobyak was sentenced to 20 years in a high-security penal colony in 2010




A Russian Satanist whose cannibalistic cult dismembered teenagers in a string of ritual murders before eating their hearts has been pardoned after fighting in Ukraine.
Nikolai Ogolobyak, 33, was sentenced to 20 years in a high-security penal colony in 2010 for the killings in the Yaroslavl region, north-east of Moscow.
But he is now back at home with his mother after being seriously injured while on a six-month tour in Ukraine with the Russian army.
“He became disabled after he was injured,” his father told the Russian news outlet 76.RU, adding that he fought in the Storm-Z assault units made up of prisoners.
“He can walk, but his injuries are serious. He’s not working yet, he’s recovering.”
Ogolobyak’s father also denied local media reports that his son was seen on the streets of Yaroslavl.
“They’re writing that he’s walking around drunk dressed in black on the other side of the Volga, yelling, screaming,” he said. “It really p—-- me off.”
It is not known when Ogolobyak joined the Russian army, where exactly he fought or what regiment he was in.
The Kremlin said that it had not changed its policy of pardoning prisoners in exchange for fighting in Ukraine following local media reports on Ogolobyak’s release.
“Now everyone is studying the pardon lists very closely,” Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, said.
Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, who has released at least 17 convicted murderers after they fought in Ukraine

At least 17 convicted murderers have been freed by Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, after fighting in Ukraine - Mikhail Klimentyev/AFP
Ogolobyak was 16 when he joined an occult gang in 2006 with six other Russian teenagers.

New members were initiated with the blood of sacrificed dogs and cats, which were then tied to an inverted cross erected on a piece of abandoned land behind a cemetery.

Two years later, the group turned its attention to human sacrifices.

On 28 June 2008, friends Olya Pukhova and Anya Gorokhova – who knew one of the cult members, Alexey Chistyakov, from school – were drinking with the group at Ogolobyak’s apartment.

Prosecutors said that the gathering was planned by Konstantin Baranov, the cult’s founder, who had fallen in love with a girl called Ksenia Kovaleva and intended to initiate her into the group using human blood.

Once drunk, the group took the girls to the clearing behind the cemetery, where they lined up around a fire in the shape of a pentagram.

The Satanists then pounced on the two girls, stabbing, beheading and dismembering them, reportedly reciting incantations over their bodies as they cut off their genitals.

They took pictures on their mobile phones with the victim’s severed heads, and fried and ate the girls’ hearts and tongues, prosecutors said.

Kovaleva, Baranov’s love interest, was then smeared in the victims’ blood before their dismembered bodies were buried in pits nearby.

‘Ogolobyak counted the blows’​

The following day, case files said, the group gathered at the clearing again, this time with inductee Alexey Soleviev and two other teenagers who would become the gang’s third and fourth victims: Andrei Sorokin, who had previously refused to be initiated, and Varya Kuzmina, his girlfriend.

The pair were beheaded, dismembered and buried in pits, with their clothes burnt on a ritual fire.

“According to witnesses, when Sorokin was killed, Ogolobyak counted the blows out loud,” said Elena Smirnova, who prosecuted Ogolobyak. “He counted until he hit 666.”

The four victims’ parents had initially thought that they were away at a rock festival but when the festival ended in early July and their children did not return, they informed police.

The mutilation and dismemberment of the victims meant that a lengthy investigation was required to identify which body parts belonged to each victim.

But the cult members confessed and were sent to trial in February 2010.

At their sentencing, the group were said to have behaved “arrogantly”, smiling and demonstrating no remorse for their brutal crimes.

Ogolobyak was the only adult at the time of the trial and received a 20-year sentence.

He was due to be released in 2030, prior to his pardoning.

The other six gang members were sentenced to between two and 10 years, the maximum that a child can receive under Russian law, and have since been released.

‘Atone for crime on battlefield’​

At least 17 convicted murderers have been freed by Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, after fighting in Ukraine.

There have been numerous reports of pardoned murderers killing again after returning to Russia from the war’s frontlines.

The Kremlin acknowledged the use of prisoner recruits to fight in the conflict earlier this month but said that convicts could “atone for their crime on the battlefield with blood”.

On Wednesday, Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, said that prisoners are now providing most of Russia’s fresh manpower for the war.

“At this stage, the Russian army has made prisoners the main source of replenishment of losses on the battlefield,” he said.

Government statistics and rights groups suggest that Russia has freed up to 100,000 inmates and sent them to fight in Ukraine since launching its offensive in February last year.

The practice was initiated by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the late boss of the Wagner mercenary group who died in a suspicious plane explosion in August, exactly two months after he led a failed mutiny that presented the biggest threat to Putin’s two-decade rule.

Prigozhin promised recruits that they would receive presidential pardons after six months of service in Ukraine."
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Cid said:
Ukraine had 2-3 attempts at rather small mechanized breakthroughs before they dismissed western offensive doctrine and went back to a crawl. Probably lost about 30 vehicles from that in a month before they gave it up.

Avdiivka offensive is hundreds of vehicles destroyed in weeks. The scale really isn't comparable.

You seem to have a lot of strong opinions for someone who doesn't know even the basics about what is going on.
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Ukraine dropped the mechanized assault attempts because it was not able to meaningfully replace its armor losses. Tanks and IFVs used by Ukrainians are almost exclusively donated by NATO members at this point. Russia can replenish its tank force with approximately 30 new tanks produced per month on top of refurbishing its old Soviet stockpiles. Russians have already broken through Adviika's first line of defense in the span of a month, whereas it took Ukraine 3 months to get to Robotyne.

Laid off the "Ukraine is winning" kool-aid. It's not. At this point, stalemate is the best Ukraine can hope for.
 
giusti825 said:
It's the West and NATO who backed the coup in 2014. It's the West that is constantly trying to expand NATO closer to the Russian border. It's quite literally the West's fault.

Go tell Yugoslavia and Libya that NATO is a defensive alliance.

NATO was designed to be a counterbalance against the USSR, not Russia. The USSR has been gone for decades, NATO should have dissolved long ago as it is now unnecessary.

NATO wasn't supposed to expand "one inch" east of Germany. It has expanded to over a dozen countries easy of Germany.

Historically, Russia has been invaded 5 times via routes through Ukraine. Having Ukraine become a member of a hostile military alliance was an unacceptable existential risk for Russia.
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Look at this goober trying to tell NATO what they should or should not be doing cause Russia said so....eat shit.
 
giusti825 said:
I swear between this thread and the COVID protest thread, you can clearly see the damage the mainstream media does to the intelligence and logic of many posters on here.

It's kinda funny going back and reading the threads and seeing just how stupid some people have become.

There were actually people in here arguing that Ukraine was winning the war and would expel all Russian troops from Ukraine including Crimea.

Start keeping a tally of who is getting things right vs who is getting things wrong and you will see a lot more substack and Rumble consumers among those who are actually well-informed vs mainstream media consumers.

This war went exactly as I predicted it would because I was better informed by the journalists whose content I consume. The mainstream media is far more about propaganda than information and unbiased analysis.
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We're headed into year 3 of Russias 3 day special military operation dipshit please tell us more about your special media consumption operation that grants you special predictive powers... better yet you should share with your comrades as they could use the insight
 
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