International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[mjfan23]

I've read that the Netherlands has 42 F-16's in it's fleet, but haven't made a commitment on how many will be sent. It all depends on the deliveries of the replacement F-35's which are on backorder from the States. So it will be a slow trickle. F-35's are on backorder for many countries around the world. It's going to take multiple years.

Same story with Norway - awaiting F35 delivery and the number of F16's to be donated will probably be less than 10.

Denmark has committed 19, but will also be a trickle. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen met with Zelensky at Skrydstrup Air Base on Sunday. Frederiksen said her country will donate 19 F-16s and “hopefully” six around the new year, eight more next year, and five more in 2025. “

So the stories of Ukraine getting 60 F-16's is not really accurate. Even if they do end up getting 60, it will be multiple years before that happens.

Thus, the F-16's will not be a game changer unless other countries also commit to giving F-16's. I hope the US steps up and does do it. That will be a game changer.

Ukraines air defence systems can’t stop Russias super sonic missiles. If Russia targets an air base with 2-3 dozen f-16s what do we and the nato do to support Ukraine and this stupid war?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Ukraines air defence systems can’t stop Russias super sonic missiles. If Russia targets an air base with 2-3 dozen f-16s what do we and the nato do to support Ukraine and this stupid war?

Maybe you should tell your insider info to the military so they might consider things like that. I'm sure they have no idea on how to protect the f-16's....prob just leave them in a field near the front line.

 

[mjfan23]

Maybe you should tell your insider info to the military so they might consider things like that. I'm sure they have no idea on how to protect the f-16's....prob just leave them in a field near the front line.

You must be one of the guys who felt Ukraine will win the war and reclaim the areas Russia annexed!


I don’t have any expertise or knowledge on where the Ukrainians will host the f-16s but there is a clear mismatch in military capabilities and tech here. When the other side has missiles you have no defense for your assets are sitting ducks (an exaggerated analogy of course) should they decide to hit them,

 

[SandisLL]

You must be one of the guys who felt Ukraine will win the war and reclaim the areas Russia annexed!


I don’t have any expertise or knowledge on where the Ukrainians will host the f-16s but there is a clear mismatch in military capabilities and tech here. When the other side has missiles you have no defense for your assets are sitting ducks (an exaggerated analogy of course) should they decide to hit them,

F-16 supplies are intended in order to lower expenses on SAM systems supplied to Ukraine.
.mainly in order to use them in western part of Ukraine as launching platforms for missiles used to deal with stuff Russia is using to attack western part of Ukraine....

F-16 usage close to frontline will be denied mainly by huge network of multi layered SAM systems clusters Russia had installed in areas controlled by them....

Russia had removed a lot of SAM systems from Murmansk and St Pete ( Leningrad ) and Kaliningrad oblastjs and installed these in Crimea, occupied by Russia areas in dumbass region and areas close to casual Rus / Ukr border like Rus / Ukr 2012 the situation.

They had relocated damn a lot from St Pete ( Leningrad ) and Kaliningrad oblastjs.....

 

[Cid]

So you admit that Ukraine is dependent on NATO for its survival. It wasn't that hard was it?

I never said Ukraine wasn't dependent on help.


The difficult part about arguing with you is that you're arguing with the voices in your head as well.

Then attributing what they're saying to me.


Here's another example of you arguing with the voices in your head.

Lay off the Slava Ukraini kool-aid.

You have a whole bunch of preconceived perceptions of what you think I believe that were formed before you entered the thread and are arguing with them instead of arguing against what I've said.

I hear schizophrenic medication is pretty effective these days. You should look into that.

 

[AWilder]

Karma

 

[AWilder]

Ukraines air defence systems can’t stop Russias super sonic missiles. If Russia targets an air base with 2-3 dozen f-16s what do we and the nato do to support Ukraine and this stupid war?

It's so funny when people come out confidently wrong. They've already shot down dozens of Russians super and hyper sonic missiles. Smh.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

You must be one of the guys who felt Ukraine will win the war and reclaim the areas Russia annexed!


I don’t have any expertise or knowledge on where the Ukrainians will host the f-16s but there is a clear mismatch in military capabilities and tech here. When the other side has missiles you have no defense for your assets are sitting ducks (an exaggerated analogy of course) should they decide to hit them,

Very simpleton thing to say. if they have this clear advantage in these areas why have they not taken out all of UKR other aircraft then? Do you not think UKR has measures to protect their jets? That's high level starcraft stuff right there.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Not likely Putin is worried about casualties.
He needs to take this Avdiivka and most likely will take because they managed to establish fire control on supplies route ................
Obiviously losses should be high because looks that areas between pincers and supply route are heavily mined ..........
Therefore all these technique losses: cos mines or when slowed down or stopped then shelled by UKr ....

However they delivered even more technique and manpower as replacement ....and continues to pressure Ukr.

Avdiivka still and UKR hands and even pushed back a bit. Another Russian column wiped out before it even got to front lines and the electronic warfare in the city is keeping Russian drones at bay. RC machine guns very effective vs meat attacks while putting 0 UKR soldiers at risk, I'm sure a massive 3rd wave is coming with meat walls not sure how much armor they have left to spare.

 

[AWilder]

 

[mjfan23]

Very simpleton thing to say. if they have this clear advantage in these areas why have they not taken out all of UKR other aircraft then? Do you not think UKR has measures to protect their jets? That's high level starcraft stuff right there.

We had a clear advantage over sandal wearing old ak47s wielding Taliban but after twenty years and trillions(with a T) of dollars we couldn’t wipe em out. Yet Russia with a far less advantage over Ukraine and all of natos supplies and dollars should have won this war in 2-3 years?

Maybe you should look up the definition of simpleton before name calling. Makes you sound even dumber.

My question was literally about the Russian missile tech advantage and its ability to take out targets. The more I read about this unnecessarily overfunded war the more I realize those Russian missiles aren’t as effective advertised, but nothing you have said led to any enlightenment unfortunately.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

I think Russia is slowly becoming NK. With this last year and a half Putin will only go more insane as the stupid military operation goes on.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

We had a clear advantage over sandal wearing old ak47s wielding Taliban but after twenty years and trillions(with a T) of dollars we couldn’t wipe em out. Yet Russia with a far less advantage over Ukraine and all of natos supplies and dollars should have won this war in 2-3 years?

Maybe you should look up the definition of simpleton before name calling. Makes you sound even dumber.

My question was literally about the Russian missile tech advantage and its ability to take out targets. The more I read about this unnecessarily overfunded war the more I realize those Russian missiles aren’t as effective advertised, but nothing you have said led to any enlightenment unfortunately.

Glad you admitted about Russia missiles not being all that. Have you heard of himars ,scalp, storm shadow or ATACMS? UKR has clear advantage when it comes to precise targeting. UKR has been taking out military targets far from front line while Russia has been sending missiles into civilian targets and cities.

 

[mjfan23]

Glad you admitted about Russia missiles not being all that. Have you heard of himars ,scalp, storm shadow or ATACMS? UKR has clear advantage when it comes to precise targeting. UKR has been taking out military targets far from front line while Russia has been sending missiles into civilian targets and cities.

nope, Not too informed about it only follow main stream news on it. Which as you know is a little less deliberate on details and bit heavier on narrative setting/control.

 

[Hog-train]

There's a good chance an additional funding bill for Ukraine may not pass.

Republicans are blocking it and demanding it gets tied to additional funding to have more border control and harder asylum laws. Democrats on the other hand are resisting efforts to decouple Israel and Ukraine aid. The recent bill got rejected and there is no way to know if a compromise can be reached.

If additional funding does not get passed, Ukraine is fucked. Europe is not going to pick up the slack even though it is in their best interests.

Crunch time for Israel and Ukraine aid as lawmakers return to Congress from recess

Republicans and Democrats have little time to resolve their disputes over foreign aid and make progress on a solution to prevent a government shutdown early next year.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Russia will always have the Donbass from now on. Which is exactly what they wanted to begin with.

 

[SandisLL]

There's a good chance an additional funding bill for Ukraine may not pass.

Republicans are blocking it and demanding it gets tied to additional funding to have more border control and harder asylum laws. Democrats on the other hand are resisting efforts to decouple Israel and Ukraine aid. The recent bill got rejected and there is no way to know if a compromise can be reached.

If additional funding does not get passed, Ukraine is fucked. Europe is not going to pick up the slack even though it is in their stbest interests.

Crunch time for Israel and Ukraine aid as lawmakers return to Congress from recess

Republicans and Democrats have little time to resolve their disputes over foreign aid and make progress on a solution to prevent a government shutdown early next year.

www.nbcnews.com

Actually Europe had helped Ukr even more than U.S and in different forms.
Also this aid is essential for Ukr not to get default deFacto, to have fuel for cars, medicaments etc etc.

While with weapons supplies in Europe Realpolitik situation is that countries more willing to help ....does have land border with Ukr, Belarus or Russia. They can't further deplete their stockpiles, instead they should increase their weapons and ammo stockpile.
However thanks to these countries at least Ukr yet isn't completely done....

Countries in western Europe does think that better solution is just to pump their taxpayers money in Ukraine, sign warrant ( guarantee ) letter for Ukr loans ( read : you will pay if UKr will not pay said loan x or y. ) rather than " to make Putin worried " about actual weapons supplies to Ukr from their countries.

 

[SandisLL]

Situation in Europe actually is awful for Ukraine.

For example the same 7,62 mm cartridges.
Slovakia will not supply for free anymore...
Zelensky should had offered € for these. Why not, we are pumping in real money ( in form of money transfers ) in Ukr on daily basis and damn a lot .....
Ok, November batch had been compensated by Lithuania and Pentagon.....
December batch with 4 000 000 cartridges they too most likely will get, however when?
Lithuania agreed to pay for additional 3 000 000 cartridges batch, someone else should cover additional 1 000 000 cartridges.......
In December and Lithuania will not deplete their stockpile, they just will pay to purchase somewhere these 3 000 000 cartridges ...
This means that it will not be fast process until Ukr will get this ....

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Then we really should know how awful Ukraine was with 7,62 mm and 12,7 mm ammo production 1991-2014 and really horrible 0 after 2014 th
Country had produced engines for spacecraft and large heavy duty transport airplanes ....had produced 0. 7,62mm cartridge since 2014 th.

 

[SandisLL]

Then there is reality.
Most likely Putin and Co had invaded Ukraine not cos NATO but cos they had assumed that Europe, weakened by Plandemic Covid will not support Ukraine financially ......then regardless from success in battlefields Ukraine had to get default in some couple of months....

Ofc dreamers talks about potential NATO membership were biggest mistake Zelensky administration ever did cos this was lucrative tool for Russian propaganda.
While talking about " NATO expansion " is good propaganda tool, in reality nor NATO nor EU wanted to accept Ukraine.
Even worse for Ukraine: they like blind didn't had get signals in long row during decades.
That they will not be accepted.
Nope, still continued to talk empty talks.

November 2021 th... Despite bullshit cultivated by Lavrov's office and parroted even here in some posts......
Zelensky cried that 2 NATO countries didn't had agreed to SELL even MANPADS ......also how " bad for Russia " west didn't had sold Ukraine any heavy weapons.

So imagine that Putin might had just to wait till next elections in Ukr....

After invasion Ukr get for free stuff they were not able to purchase in November 2021 th.

Ofc support is miniscule and small, therefore Kremlin might cultivate myths and yell that they are ready to fight vs NATO etc bullshit.

 

[method115]

Russia will always have the Donbass from now on. Which is exactly what they wanted to begin with.

Yea I've heard this claim before. It might be all they wanted but there's no way they expected to suffer this much and be humiliated this badly over it.