International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[PEB]

Massive winter storm hit Russian occupied regions. God telling them to end this already?

At least three people were killed during the storm, local media reported.

One person was killed in the resort city of Sochi, another on the Russian-held Crimean Peninsula and a third person on board a vessel in the Kerch Strait, which separates Crimea from the Russian mainland, the state news agency TASS reported.

Russia’s Ministry of Energy said “about 1.9 million people” were affected by power cuts in the southern Russian regions of Dagestan, Krasnodar and Rostov as well as the occupied Ukrainian territories of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhia and Crimea."

At least three killed as storm hits Russia, Ukraine’s Black Sea coast

Hundreds of thousands of people without power as fierce storm devastates infrastructure.

www.google.com

 

[AWilder]

i find it very funny how China is absolutely cucking Russia. 46% discounts on already dirt cheap oil, lmao

 

[AWilder]

 

[Bacco]

Yeah, the west does have a lot of money and equipment. I'll concede that.

You're the one with the strong opinions on who will win the war (most of which are based on BS) not me.

Who wins this war is going to be decided by the collective will of the West. If we decide Ukraine is going to win they will win. If we don't they won't.


It really is that simple.


America could send the Rapid Dragon system tomorrow which would allow Ukraine to destroy every manufacturing plant Russia has within 1500km of Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

Fuck man, your link is: Failing to empower Ukraines victory the west makes possible it's defeat.

Feel kinda same way

Not 100% sure on Ukraine surely win if west give full support, but sure they will lose in the long run if hesitant west keep deliver help with the dropper

Israel events are a dangerous distraction too imho

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

A handful of F-16's aren't going to be a game changer. Russia still has lots of air power left.

Handful? I believe Denmark and Netherlands or Norway promised over 60 just between them. They will certainly be a nice tool to have in the tool box but I agree it wont be a game changer.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Yeah, the west does have a lot of money and equipment. I'll concede that.

You're the one with the strong opinions on who will win the war (most of which are based on BS) not me.

Who wins this war is going to be decided by the collective will of the West. If we decide Ukraine is going to win they will win. If we don't they won't.


It really is that simple.


America could send the Rapid Dragon system tomorrow which would allow Ukraine to destroy every manufacturing plant Russia has within 1500km of Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

Fuck man, your link is: Failing to empower Ukraines victory the west makes possible it's defeat.

West definitely needs to hold the course but I still dont think they can push Russia out of UKR . putler will kill every last Russian if he has to keep what he has. I watch a lot of different bloggers from different sources and some seem to agree Russia will implode from within. putler has put 40% of GDP towards war effort which is crazy and unsustainable, the interest rate will be at 16% which is also crazy , the rouble is worthless while some sanctions are having a bit and others are being circumvented but West is trying to close gaps.
Endless conscription will also cause unrest and the economy cant handle having working aged males being removed from it.
Russia will die from a 1000 cuts that's why there is no need for UKR to rush to "negotiations"

 

[AWilder]

Handful? I believe Denmark and Netherlands or Norway promised over 60 just between them. They will certainly be a nice tool to have in the tool box but I agree it wont be a game changer.

I think the F16 is going to be a game changer for Ukraine. i wouldn't say it alone is going to win the war but it gives ukraine capabilities that it is desperately lacking. It's also far more capable than the Russian air force and replaceable. Right now Ukraine can't really afford to lose any of it's soviet era airframes because there is no replacement. They got some from Poland and a couple other countries but that supply is tapped out. F16 gives them a much more modern and robust platform with far greater capabilities in detecting and identifying targets before the russians can identify and target them. Expanding their airspace will make any and all operations that much more effective.

 

[Blayt7hh]

This general says there might soon be a lot of political pressure from the US and UK toward Zelensky to do a ceasefire deal. Russia keeps the land they have, etc. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

He also says Ukraine was definitely not given enough military aid to retake their land and was not given all the artillery ammo they were promised.

We might ask them to sue for peace. I don’t think it’s in their best interest though; they did in 2014 and look what happened.

We were slow to roll out some of our support. There was fear of escalation, but also some things like the ATACMS that have been majorly successful have a small stockpile in the US.

Falling short on artillery round deliveries is definitely true. That was self reported by the EU.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

i find it very funny how China is absolutely cucking Russia. 46% discounts on already dirt cheap oil, lmao

I dont think china can afford to build all that infrastructure at this point. With the belt and road disaster and the ghost cities Xi has built everything he has touched has gone to shit. Raping Russia for oil is the best thing he has done for his country. That being said I doubt Russia can take on more expenses during their full scale war.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Con artist zelensky has been caught buying luxury yachts with US money, worth over 50 million. I wouldn't be surprised if he disappeared forever with hundreds of millions in foreign bank accounts after swindling nato and getting many of his people killed instead of making a deal

Also wouldn't be surprised if he's killed or assassinated

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Con artist zelensky has been caught buying luxury yachts with US money, worth over 50 million. I wouldn't be surprised if he disappeared forever with hundreds of millions in foreign bank accounts after swindling nato and getting many of his people killed instead of making a deal

Also wouldn't be surprised if he's killed or assassinated

I wouldnt be surprised if you get your info from BS.com Scary that a person of your superior intelligence would believe such rubbish.

 

[syct23]

Con artist zelensky has been caught buying luxury yachts with US money, worth over 50 million. I wouldn't be surprised if he disappeared forever with hundreds of millions in foreign bank accounts after swindling nato and getting many of his people killed instead of making a deal

Also wouldn't be surprised if he's killed or assassinated

Oh no…

 

[AWilder]

I dont think china can afford to build all that infrastructure at this point. With the belt and road disaster and the ghost cities Xi has built everything he has touched has gone to shit. Raping Russia for oil is the best thing he has done for his country. That being said I doubt Russia can take on more expenses during their full scale war.

yeah thats the thing, China was telling russia that China isn't paying for the pipelines. They told russia to pay for it themselves AND we are taking massive discounts on your oil that no one else will buy

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I think the F16 is going to be a game changer for Ukraine. i wouldn't say it alone is going to win the war but it gives ukraine capabilities that it is desperately lacking. It's also far more capable than the Russian air force and replaceable. Right now Ukraine can't really afford to lose any of it's soviet era airframes because there is no replacement. They got some from Poland and a couple other countries but that supply is tapped out. F16 gives them a much more modern and robust platform with far greater capabilities in detecting and identifying targets before the russians can identify and target them. Expanding their airspace will make any and all operations that much more effective.

The F-16 is hardly more capable than the Su-35 or other Su-27 variants.
Western pilots have trained against these planes and they're broadly similar to the F-16 or the F-15 for that matter. They're inferior to the F-22 and the F-35.
It's likely that the US, using the F-16/15, would enjoy a huge superiority over Russia due to better training and much better coordination with AWACS, tankers, patriot batteries etc.
That's hardly the case with Ukraine as they just do not have as many resources, the F-16 is also unable to be operated from improvised airfields, dirt roads etc, unlike the old soviet planes. Meaning Russia would probably destroy a few of them at least by attacking airfields with long range missiles.

It's also just as vulnerable to SAMs as any other non stealth plane.

All in all, a few dozen F-16s would be valuable but hardly game changing.

 

[AWilder]

 

[SandisLL]

Hopefully they get more than a handful. Pledged f-16 numbers are equal to every MLRS system sent and only 3 countries have committed so far.

I think which f-16, what munitions they are armed with and how many missiles are sent is just as important as the total numbers. If they're upgraded versions they're going to be around for a while.

If we count also 122 mm systems it isn't just 3 countries.
At least 5 countries and with ol good " dumb " Grad " missile is relatively cheap and here all jamming is useless. Jam till death, stuff is unguided usually.....

 

[Orgasmo]

Yeah, the west does have a lot of money and equipment. I'll concede that.

You're the one with the strong opinions on who will win the war (most of which are based on BS) not me.

Who wins this war is going to be decided by the collective will of the West. If we decide Ukraine is going to win they will win. If we don't they won't.


It really is that simple.


America could send the Rapid Dragon system tomorrow which would allow Ukraine to destroy every manufacturing plant Russia has within 1500km of Ukraine in a matter of weeks.

Fuck man, your link is: Failing to empower Ukraines victory the west makes possible it's defeat.

So you admit that Ukraine is dependent on NATO for its survival. It wasn't that hard was it? The steadiness of that support is not guaranteed and will wane over time. Now the Ukrainians are having such manpower shortages that they cannot properly operate the systems they already have:

Ukraine official says it can't properly use its Western kit because it has so few soldiers left, report says

Ukraine's army is in such dire need of manpower that it is preventing it using some Western equipment, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Time magazine.

www.businessinsider.com

Yet you want Ukrainians to keep throwing bodies into attritional warfare which heavily favors Russia. Now you're essentially saying Ukrainians don't get to determine how to end their own war. You remind me of Victoria Nuland essentially trying to pick who gets to lead the Ukrainian government or the same NATO politicians that determined NATO will be expanded to Ukraine in 2008.

NATO Summit Bucharest 2008

And you still want to dig Ukraine deeper for your geopolitical gains.

 

[Orgasmo]

Normal article. Everyone with critical mindset easily saw that west doesn't want complete Ukraine win.
Never wanted, for a reason maintained policy not to sell heavy weapons to Ukr 1994-2022 till invasion etc ....
Dreamers in Kiev still assumed that west wants to see them in EU and NATO.

However what kind of choice Ukr now does have?
A. To ask be completely incorporated in Russia.
B. To cede all these areas Putin had annexed on paper to Russia AND ofc to wait next war ....

Anyway Ukraine is done.

Forget the battlefield. What's with the political assasinations? At this rate Ukrainian government is starting to resemble Russia with internal purges.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-spy-chiefs-wife-poisoned-media-reports-say-2023-11-28/

Ukraine war: Grenade birthday gift kills army chief Zaluzhnyi's aide

Maj Hennadiy Chastyakov was opening presents at home near Kyiv with his son at the time of the blast.

www.bbc.com

 

[SandisLL]

If about support from Belarus IMHO it is underrated because their own military officers looks that aren't willing to attack someone.
While this country is huge ammunition and USSR era weapons warehouse plus does have some MIC enterprises supervised directly by Lukashenko. These aren't joke .

24 May 2022 th. Belarus Prime Minister Roman Golovchenko admitted that Belarus was selling weapons and ammunition to Russian Federation.
Some weeks later Lukashenko had confirmed that he will continue weapons and ammunition supplies for Russian Federation and rack up supplies in order to help create multipolar world with some kind of " new poluses ".

 

[SandisLL]

So you admit that Ukraine is dependent on NATO for its survival. It wasn't that hard was it? The steadiness of that support is not guaranteed and will wane over time. Now the Ukrainians are having such manpower shortages that they cannot properly operate the systems they already have:

Ukraine official says it can't properly use its Western kit because it has so few soldiers left, report says

Ukraine's army is in such dire need of manpower that it is preventing it using some Western equipment, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Time magazine.

www.businessinsider.com

Yet you want Ukrainians to keep throwing bodies into attritional warfare which heavily favors Russia. Now you're essentially saying Ukrainians don't get to determine how to end their own war. You remind me of Victoria Nuland essentially trying to pick who gets to lead the Ukrainian government or the same NATO politicians that determined NATO will be expanded to Ukraine in 2008.

NATO Summit Bucharest 2008

And you still want to dig Ukraine deeper for your geopolitical gains.

In 2008 th NATO had refused even to gave so called " roadmap " ; criteria potential candidate should do before to be considered as candidate for ....getting candidate status.

Your idea about " NATO expansion " doesn't match reality too....
November 2021 th.
Zelensky administration crying that west doesn't sell them heavy weapons and 2 NATO countries refused to sell even MANPADS....
One from them talked with Ukr a bit, another ....even didn't bothered to answer offer to purchase.....while in March 2022 th Ukraine get from this country MANPADS for free .....just cos Putin was so " smart " to invade .......................


BTW about " arming up Ukraine " ; Ukraine in reality had deMilitarized since 1994 th and in 2022 the was paper tiger with loud talks and little walk if compare with their own military in 1994 th....

Real condition: Ukr from 1994 th had all capacity to win vs Ukr from January 2022 the....Easily BTW. ..