International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[SandisLL]

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Old idiot. Typical for Kremlin, if they will attempt to do this then....first time they will have REAL sanctions.

 

[SandisLL]

Avdiivka battle.
Looks that most likely Russia had established control on supply routes for Avdiivka by using pincers and artillery & MRLS fire with addition of bombing with guided bombs and drones.
Artillery they are using looks that is 100mm, 122 mm and 152 mm artillery plus fire from 122 mm and 220 mm MRLS systems.
Ukraine isn't capable to deal with pincers and .....it is Bakhmut No2, just more quickly and .....for Russia worse cos looks that number of mines etc most likely is 10-30x more than in Bakhmut ..........

They also are attempting to take control in coal coke plant...where IMHO most likely number of mines and IEDs is considerably more than number of soldiers.

Avdiivka is minefield like beauty.

 

[Rod1]

Not comparable at all. There was an ability to defeat Germany, though the USSR did most of the heavy lifting, which was why Germany surrendered to them.

However, I am ideologically consistent. There was no credible threat to the United States from Germany. Sending our money and soldiers over there was a misuse of our tax revenue and fighting force. Our military and defense funds should be for OUR defense, not to attack or pester other countries half way around the world.

Germany would've lost that war with or without our participation.

There was an ability to defeat Germany thanks to lend-lease which allowed Soviets to put all their manpower into the war effort.

This is why America is above and beyond the rest of the world, American logistics are not glorious but they win wars.

Soviets can say that their T-34 won the war, but without America they would had starved to death and ran out of fuel before they could defeat the Nazis.

 

[SandisLL]

There was an ability to defeat Germany thanks to lend-lease which allowed Soviets to put all their manpower into the war effort.

This is why America is above and beyond the rest of the world, American logistics are not glorious but they win wars.

Soviets can say that their T-34 won the war, but without America they would had starved to death and ran out of fuel before they could defeat the Nazis.

U.S had been heavily supported by Canada and this was important.
Also xxx xxx xxx ppl in all world hated Hitler and his ideas and therefore a lot of ppl had provided all info they had etc. Cos Hitler had world hegemony idea.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Not comparable at all. There was an ability to defeat Germany, though the USSR did most of the heavy lifting, which was why Germany surrendered to them.

However, I am ideologically consistent. There was no credible threat to the United States from Germany. Sending our money and soldiers over there was a misuse of our tax revenue and fighting force. Our military and defense funds should be for OUR defense, not to attack or pester other countries half way around the world.

Germany would've lost that war with or without our participation.

 

[SandisLL]

About run out of fuel I agree. About starve to death NO.
For example Stalin had sold even seeds they were able to collect in Ukraine and with this had caused Holodomor....in peace time.
In certain regions cos genocide intent and internal passports banning to leave area without special permit.
Later some " experts " had claimed that Holodomor was fight vs remains of capitalism in proper Soviet society ( like today Lavrov is talking about fighting vs Nazis while Putin had openly admitted that had financed Wagner de facto ruled by Neo Nazi in Utkin, former GRU leutenant- colonel. ).

 

[SandisLL]

" They does have time till next elections while we do have unlimited time. "
" Russian World will come sooner or later, Empire that should be."

 

[SandisLL]

If about problems with truck transport Poland had offered Ukraine to conduct talks while Huelensky administration most likely again is attempting to use Biden's administration and Urzula to press Poland and to gave slape in the face in form of thank you for 350 tanks etc....
There is risk that Ukraine might get Orban No2 regardless from surnames in government.
In worst case Ukr might get .....loud talks about Mr Bandera and pray God that Russia will not get next military aid from Poland.

 

[Rational Poster]

Not comparable at all. There was an ability to defeat Germany, though the USSR did most of the heavy lifting, which was why Germany surrendered to them.

However, I am ideologically consistent. There was no credible threat to the United States from Germany. Sending our money and soldiers over there was a misuse of our tax revenue and fighting force. Our military and defense funds should be for OUR defense, not to attack or pester other countries half way around the world.

Germany would've lost that war with or without our participation.

Holy fuck what is this. I haven't been able to post on this shit site for weeks and this is what I have to read when I come back.

 

[Rholk]

There was an ability to defeat Germany thanks to lend-lease which allowed Soviets to put all their manpower into the war effort.

This is why America is above and beyond the rest of the world, American logistics are not glorious but they win wars.

Soviets can say that their T-34 won the war, but without America they would had starved to death and ran out of fuel before they could defeat the Nazis.

 

[SandisLL]

There is stuff, for bloggers and YT experts most likely not important. Ukraine looks that really does have 7,62 mm ammunition shortage ( they doesn't produce this since 2014 th[ LOL ] and supposed supply batches from Slovakia now are dream gone : approx 4 000 000 cartridges 7,62x39, 7,62x51 and 7,62 x54.
This batch they now still will get cos Pentagon and Lithuania from other sources...
What will be with batches supposed for December I have no clue....

 

[SandisLL]

155 mm ammo production : Europe does have snail pace to make decisions and to do final paperwork. Otherwise they does have at least 15 production companies.

Most likely like with 35 mm ammo for Gepards: 12 months talks and negotiations plus paperwork ...after this 6 months to launch 1 relatively small production line.

Sometimes I think that they will woke up just in coffins. Otherwise technically IMHO they are capable to rack up production really seriously.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

I guess all the Russian mach1000 planes are also susceptible to the lowly Patriot System. I am curious what the Patriot replacement systems would do to Russian aviation.

Air Force confirms destroying 5 Russian aircraft within 5 minutes in Bryansk Oblast in May

Ukraine's defenders shot down five Russian aircraft over Bryansk Oblast in Russia in May 2023 using a Patriot air defense system, Ukrainian Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ihnat confirmed in an interview with news outlet Novynarnia published on Nov. 27.

www.yahoo.com

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Air Force confirms destroying 5 Russian aircraft within 5 minutes in Bryansk Oblast in May​

The New Voice of Ukraine
Mon, November 27, 2023 at 9:17 AM PST·2 min read
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Patriot air defense system
Ukraine's defenders shot down five Russian aircraft over Bryansk Oblast in Russia in May 2023 using a Patriot air defense system, Ukrainian Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ihnat confirmed in an interview with news outlet Novynarnia published on Nov. 27.
The interviewer noted that on the Day of Anti-Aircraft Missile Forces, the Ukrainian Air Force Command published a video showing that the Ukrainian Air Force destroyed Russian aircraft over Bryansk Oblast on May 13, 2023, using Patriot air defense systems.

NV
Read also: Patriot air defense systems have downed “at least one” Russian warplane, says military expert

On that day, the Russian Federation lost Su-34 and Su-35 aircraft, two Mi-8MTPR-1 air defense helicopters and one Mi-8.

Ihnat said he jokingly calls these events the "Bryansk Massacre".

"It was a brilliant operation led by the Air Force commander," said Ihnat.

Read also: Russian Su-30 fighter jet crashes in Russia's Kaliningrad Oblast, crew killed

“Thanks to non-standard decisive actions, Patriot air defense systems destroyed five aircraft in five minutes on the Bryansk axis, from where they then used to bombard our northern regions with guided aerial bombs.”

Some time later, another enemy Su-35 was shot down over the Black Sea, the air force spokesman added.

On May 13, two Russian Mi-8 military helicopters and Su-34 and Su-35 fighters crashed almost simultaneously in Russia’s Bryansk Oblast, killing the crews. Russian state media reported this and eyewitnesses posted videos on social media, but the Kremlin regime did not officially comment on the incidents or the number of lost aircraft.

The next day, Ihnat said that three helicopters might have gone down, and that a strike group of Russian helicopters and warplanes was at the time flying to launch another attack with guided bombs on northern Ukrainian settlements. At the time, he said that the Russian air defense was involved in the "planocide."

Read also: Germany to deliver another Patriot system to help protect Ukraine’s energy grid through winter

According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, since the beginning of the full-scale invasion in February 2022, Russia has lost 323 warplanes and 324 helicopters."

 

[grimballer]

more kiev troops surrendering in artemovsk

 

[curryjunkie]

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[Ruthless Ryan]

Not comparable at all. There was an ability to defeat Germany, though the USSR did most of the heavy lifting, which was why Germany surrendered to them.

However, I am ideologically consistent. There was no credible threat to the United States from Germany. Sending our money and soldiers over there was a misuse of our tax revenue and fighting force. Our military and defense funds should be for OUR defense, not to attack or pester other countries half way around the world.

Germany would've lost that war with or without our participation.

You dont seem to see the bigger picture that is happening now and what happened in previous wars.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

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The only time Peskov is lying is when he's moving his mouth.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Avdiivka battle.
Looks that most likely Russia had established control on supply routes for Avdiivka by using pincers and artillery & MRLS fire with addition of bombing with guided bombs and drones.
Artillery they are using looks that is 100mm, 122 mm and 152 mm artillery plus fire from 122 mm and 220 mm MRLS systems.
Ukraine isn't capable to deal with pincers and .....it is Bakhmut No2, just more quickly and .....for Russia worse cos looks that number of mines etc most likely is 10-30x more than in Bakhmut ..........

They also are attempting to take control in coal coke plant...where IMHO most likely number of mines and IEDs is considerably more than number of soldiers.

Avdiivka is minefield like beauty.

If/when Russia takes Avdiivka UKR can consider it a victory with all the loses of Armor and lives . Even for Russia the mass suicide waves was unbelievable with more to come.

 

[AWilder]

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

I always wondered what Putin is actually being told from his yes men in regards to everything.