International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[Strychnine]

 

[SandisLL]

Russia is very aggressive and always will be imperialistic and aggressive. Any ceasefires or treaties always will be just phase to prepare for next aggression.

Their best friends and supporters are :
Belarussia's dictator, " former " communist Lukashenko.
Iranian mullahs...
Syrian dictator Asad.
North Korea's dictator Kim.
Different gangs and terrorists.......

 

[lsa]

of course it does, youre just too oblivious to it.

all this is pretty much the result of western arrogance and incompetence.

if westerners (nato) wasn't hostile towards russia, especially after the fall of soviet union, none of this would be happening

and how was Sweden with less than 10mil people aggressive towards Russia?
Do tell me.
What did Sweden do that made Russia train attacks on Sweden?
You realize that the 2 events in 2013 is not the only ones?
Its been going on since the Soviet times and very little changed with the wall coming down.

How you can blame the west for Russia training invasions and attack on Sweden, and some how make it that Sweden is aggressor is next level.

You do know that Russia is suspected to have done sabotage on Swedish soil a few years ago?
Russia refuses to pay for a house they rent in Stockholm. They have no paid for many years.
There has been a lot of tracks and traces after Russian subs in Swedish waters.
There has been 2 cases of Russian spies in Sweden this year. Both started to spy for Russia many years ago. From before Sweden started to talk about entering NATO.

But hey its the west that made them do it!
Russia did not want to!
And if the pesky west did not invade Ukraine it would never have happened even though it happen years before Ukraine.
Russia can see into the future!!

 

[Orgasmo]

Ukraine will have major problems if they keep up engaging in this war of attrition with Russia. Either they need a major breakthrough, or they need to negotiate an armistice to freeze the conflict.

• The average Ukrainian soldier is 43-years-old, according to Time Magazine.
• When the war began in February 2022, the average Ukrainian soldier was between 30 and 35 years old.
• Ukraine is battling mounting manpower problems more than 20 months into the war.

Average Age of Ukrainian Soldier Is 43 Amid Personnel Problems (businessinsider.com)

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Ukraine will have major problems if they keep up engaging in this war of attrition with Russia. Either they need a major breakthrough, or they need to negotiate an armistice to freeze the conflict.

Average Age of Ukrainian Soldier Is 43 Amid Personnel Problems (businessinsider.com)

Freezing the war will only allow Putin to regroup and make his army stronger while he is conscripting this whole time. Russia has never been weaker with all their loses ,UKR cant stop now while the aid is still coming...

 

[SandisLL]

Freezing the war will only allow Putin to regroup and make his army stronger while he is conscripting this whole time. Russia has never been weaker with all their loses ,UKR cant stop now while the aid is still coming...

Putin didn't had changed his requirements for this war episode he is demanding from Ukraine:
A. To cede to Russia Kherson, Zaporozia, Luhansk and Donbas oblastjs.
B. De militarization of Ukraine ( this means for anyone who isn't an idiot reality: for Russia this war is just FIRST epizode and later Russia will attack again. Therefore Ukraine should be deMilitarized in order to make next war easier to be done!
C. Ofc his bullshit that Ukr can't be NATO member.

# Putin told that he will not allow Ukraine to be EU member because EU is bad for Russia.
# Putin also told that Ukraine should sign papers where they recognize that Crimea, Zaporozia, Kherson and Luhansk+ Donetsk oblastjs are Russian Federation.

If UKr will sign such papers, then sanctions from Russia will be easier to remove.
Also ofc Russia will start to prepare next war episode in remaining parts of Ukraine....

 

[SandisLL]

France had signed 200 m EUR worth bill for Ukraine's support while like Sebastian had insisted it is aimed support to be used only for military ( weapons and ammunition ) supplies.

 

[Cid]

Ukraine will have major problems if they keep up engaging in this war of attrition with Russia. Either they need a major breakthrough, or they need to negotiate an armistice to freeze the conflict.

Average Age of Ukrainian Soldier Is 43 Amid Personnel Problems (businessinsider.com)

"over 40" Not 43.

Age is high because Ukraine is mobilizing old men over young men.

Neither BI or TIME bothered to provide a source for that number. But it was Ben Wallace (former UK defense Minister)
https://archive.md/YE2PU

 

[SandisLL]

"over 40" Not 43.

Age is high because Ukraine is mobilizing old men over young men.

Neither BI or TIME bothered to provide a source for that number. But it was Ben Wallace (former UK defense Minister)
https://archive.md/YE2PU

Awerage age is high for 3 reasons.
1. Territorial defense ppl: these might be locals in this area and therefore does know their location area pretty well.
2. Ukr needs also ppl to repair stuff etc and then ofc will not matter is technician 20 or 60 y.o,, main criteria is education and experience.

3. Ukr still does have a lot of USSR era technique from cars till weapons....
So if they are conscripting older men who already had served in military and had experience exactly with this stuff....then refubrish training is pretty fast stuff if compare with someone who first time in life have to see such technique.

Additionally older men in not rare cases is capable to do simple repair for USSR era cars and simple weapons even if they are't technicians....

 

[SandisLL]

Ofc soldiers should be matched according their experience and education.
For example to mobilize someone who had served exactly as crew member for said technique model....
Better is to mobilize someone 45 y.o who had served exactly for this technique model rather than to take someone 100% green.
Ofc IMHO if there isn't exactly this experience under belt then better is to have younger mobik than older guy.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

The genocide stuff done by Serbia in 1990-2000 the against other nations in former Yugoslavia really might make Russia to look like Christian Church Choir boys.

Lazy Switzerland, Austria and Germany had begged NATO to do something ....only after they had enough refugees.

For example they had started to get more and more refugees, Serbia, inspired by Kremlin had turned 2 pretty civil tourism industry cities into Bakhmut....
Ofc western comrades started to get more and more refugees and therefore started to beg U.S and U.K to do something.
Their own bodies in battlefield they ofc for political reasons didn't wanted to see....therefore NATO had opted to bomb out shit from Serbia instead of direct invasion.

And @grimballer seethes with impotent rage to this day.

 

[PEB]

This is a good breakdown how the situation in Israel ties to the conditions in Ukraine. It also explains why Iran is so interested in providing drones an missiles to Russia. It's about how Iran plans to bulldozer Isreal an eventually Saudi Arabia. This due to Saudi claim to the holy lands an Isreal sitting on Muslims holy sites.

Iran population is more then twice the size of Saudi Arabia an wants to lays claim to Meca. I would imagine Iran long term plan is to continue destabilize that part of the Arab world. Iran needs Russian support an technology to achieve their goals. Scary stuff but explains how important it is because of Iranian an Russian goals are tied expansion of their lands.

 

[SandisLL]

This is a good breakdown how the situation in Israel ties to the conditions in Ukraine. It also explains why Iran is so interested in providing drones an missiles to Russia. It's about how Iran plans to bulldozer Isreal an eventually Saudi Arabia. This due to Saudi claim to the holy lands an Isreal sitting on Muslims holy sites.

Iran population is more then twice the size of Saudi Arabia an wants to lays claim to Meca. I would imagine Iran long term plan is to continue destabilize that part of the Arab world. Iran needs Russian support an technology to achieve their goals. Scary stuff but explains how important it is because of Iranian an Russian goals are tied expansion of their lands.

Iran wants thermonuclear weapons warheads blueprints they yet doesn't have.
Only one alone person in Russia who might gave these to Iran is Patrushev.
Therefore Patrushev had been invited and had visited Iran.
His power is not lesser than Putin power in regard to transfer any nuclear Technologies or materials.
Lukashenko again had invited Iranian drones specialists and is preparing visits in North Korea and Iran.
Thermonuclear weapons are Teller - Ulam design weapons.
Also ofc most likely more modern centrifuges than these Iran today does have and Putin is physically capable to supply Iran with weapons grade plutonium, also with other isotopes and reflectors material.

Really it isn't fun.

 

[Cole train]

"over 40" Not 43.

Age is high because Ukraine is mobilizing old men

Neither BI or TIME bothered to provide a source for that number. But it was Ben Wallace (former UK defense Minister)
https://archive.md/YE2PU

Its not because they are not drafting young men,

Look at population pyramid, 20 to 30 year guys are about 3 percent of entire population. So naturally average age on front is high if young guys literally do not exist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

 

[SandisLL]

Its not because they are not drafting young men,

Look at population pyramid, 20 to 30 year guys are about 3 percent of entire population. So naturally average age on front is high if young guys literally do not exist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

BTW in the same Russia young white Slavic origin Russians are minority in fertility rates etc and looks that at least parts of Russia will be ethnic Muslims towns, hindustan towns and chinatowns.
While Russian taxpayers are happy with Mr Putin and assaults with meat on most mined area.
Why no, Russia never had cared about meat and ants...also about plankton.

 

[Cole train]

BTW in the same Russia young white Slavic origin Russians are minority in fertility rates etc and looks that at least parts of Russia will be ethnic Muslims towns, hindustan towns and chinatowns.
While Russian taxpayers are happy with Mr Putin and assaults with meat on most mined area.
Why no, Russia never had cared about meat and ants...also about plankton.

Correct, russian average age on front is somewhere between 30 to 50 as well

I mentioned in some thread that this is probably first war where average age is closer to 40 than 20 for combatants

Logical thing since no one want to make kids in europe anymore

 

[Cid]

Its not because they are not drafting young men,

Look at population pyramid, 20 to 30 year guys are about 3 percent of entire population. So naturally average age on front is high if young guys literally do not exist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

Looks around 1.3M from your graph

The assertion Ben was making was that because of the bottleneck in the demographics of the country they're prioritizing the lives of breeders and future contributors to the economy over the older.

It's not that they don't exist, it's that they're too valuable to lose because there is so few of them.

So Ukraine is under mobilizing further still from that age bracket and going old.


Bad problem made worse by the war. Potentially disastrous long term if not properly managed.

 

[Cole train]

Looks around 1.3M from your graph

The assertion Ben was making was that because of the bottleneck in the demographics of the country they're prioritizing the lives of breeders and future contributors to the economy over the older.

It's not that they don't exist, it's that they're too valuable to lose because there is so few of them.

So Ukraine is under mobilizing further still from that age bracket and going old.


Bad problem made worse by the war. Potentially disastrous long term if not properly managed.

Might be, by law college students are currently protected from draft or atleast were 2 months back still and they tend to be young

My point simply was that if your population is mostly plus 30 then of course front will be as well since plus 30 crowd will be biggest draft pool simply by size

This age thing actually conserns all of europe my countrys average reservist is closer to 40 than 20 as well (number 3 oldest population in europe)

 

[Cid]

We really need to send more cheap and nasty loitering munitions.
It just seems like an area we should absolutely eclipse Russia.
But from my understanding Ukraine produces more than the entire west provides Ukraine.

Russia has recognized the value. Why haven't our donations 10x in volume over the course of the war?

 

[SandisLL]

Looks around 1.3M from your graph

The assertion Ben was making was that because of the bottleneck in the demographics of the country they're prioritizing the lives of breeders and future contributors to the economy over the older.

It's not that they don't exist, it's that they're too valuable to lose because there is so few of them.

So Ukraine is under mobilizing further still from that age bracket and going old.


Bad problem made worse by the war. Potentially disastrous long term if not properly managed.

From one point might be truth while demand for workforce is overrated and population growth doesn't meet ammounts of resources awailable.

From other point, the same tanks, ukr still does have old USSR models tanks and then for these better is to conscript someone who already had served.
Doesn't matter is he 20 or 45 y.o or even older.

From another point ofc ageism too does works well IMHO, despite it is highest delusion mainstream ever had.
Because due to automatization and optimisation we soon will lurk where to use existing workforce rather than where to get new workforce.