International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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Negotiations between Ukraine and Russia always will be just small ceasefire till next war. Russian nationalists are thinking that all Ukraine is Russia...and they are fake country etc and also fake nation and mandatory russification should be done in all Ukraine.

It newer will end.
Tensions between them were even before Europeans had discovered America's so ...this is long story.
Kiev had founded Moscow and therefore ....
Now former puppy is thinking that Ukraine must be their puppet via Lukashenko No2 or annexed and incorporated in Russia.

Next will be Moldova...
 
Armed forces of Russia had increased technique and meat deliveries in Avdiivka area and committed additionally approx 6 brigades size additional forces today.

I think that Russia will manage to take Avdiivka....

Cos Ukr can't relocate too much forces for defense because looks that this is sneaky tactique used by Russia in order to release ukr pressure on Tokmak area.......
 
Not checkmate, as they're stuck in that situation too

If you want keep the chess metaphor it's more a stalemate, neither Russia nor China can move from that marriage, no other move is possible

China is getting more gains out of it, but still is forced to side with Russia who took the decisions alone and caused the fuck up to begin with

China will be in said position over his own ambitions anyway, they definitively are the big winners of this war so far.
 
Civilians killed and wounded as Russian forces renew push to take towns in eastern Ukraine

BY NEBI QENA
Updated 10:04 AM BRT, October 21, 2023

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — At least three civilians were killed and others wounded in Ukraine on Friday and Saturday, as Russian forces continued to shell areas across the country and pushed forward near an embattled eastern city, local Ukrainian officials reported Saturday.

A man died as Russian forces shelled the Ukrainian-held town of Nikopol from their stronghold at Ukraine’s largest nuclear plant, according to Ukrainian local Gov. Serhii Lysak. Lysak said that emergency services in Nikopol were working to assess the damage.

Russian troops took over the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant early in the war, sparking intermittent fears of a radiation incident as shelling persisted near the site, often targeting Ukrainian-controlled settlements across the Dnieper River.

In Kryvyi Rih, the central Ukraine hometown of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, , a 60-year-old man died on Friday evening when a Russian missile slammed into an industrial facility, according to Telegram posts by Mayor Oleksandr Vilkul. The man’s wife was hospitalized with serious shrapnel wounds, Vilkul said.

The mayor reported that Russian missiles and drones hit the same place again overnight, causing unspecified damage and sparking a fire that was put out by morning. Vilkul did not elaborate on the site’s nature or whether it was linked to Ukraine’s war effort. He said nobody was hurt in the second strike.

In southern Ukraine’s front-line Kherson region, one civilian was killed and another wounded during “mass shelling” attacks by Russian troops, Gov. Oleksandr Prokudin said Saturday. The Russians used mortars, artillery, tanks, drones, and multiple-rocket launchers to target the region, striking some residential areas, Prokudin wrote in a Telegram post.

Russian shelling over the past day also wounded one civilian in the front-line city of Avdiivka, in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region, acting local Gov. Ihor Moroz reported on Saturday. Avdiivka has been fiercely contested by Russian and Ukrainian forces in recent weeks as Kyiv’s forces try to hold off a renewed Russian assault.

Moroz said that exploding drones, missiles, mortars and artillery shells fired by Russian troops also struck other parts of the region.

Russian troops on Friday launched a fresh offensive north of Avdiivka that has secured minor gains, according to an analysis by the Institute for the Study of War. The Washington-based think tank cited geolocated footage from pro-Kremlin “military bloggers” on the ground to support its assessment.

Moscow’s renewed push near Avdiivka reflects the Russian military command’s commitment to offensive operations in the area “despite heavy materiel and personnel losses,” the institute said.

The Ukrainian General Staff on Friday claimed that Ukrainian forces had damaged and destroyed almost 50 Russian tanks and over 100 armored vehicles in the fighting near Avdiivka during the previous day. The claim that could not be independently verified.

Oleksandr Shputu, a spokesman for the Ukrainian army unit fighting near Avdiivka, said in televised remarks Saturdays that Russian military activity in the area had “decreased slightly,” possibly due to heavy losses. However, Shputun acknowledged that Russian units continued to advance.

In the northeastern Kharkiv region, a 39-year-old civilian man was hospitalized with wounds as Russian shelling hit two village homes near the embattled town of Kupiansk, Gov. Oleh Syniehubov reported on Saturday. Russian forces have for weeks been pressing an offensive to retake territory near Kupiansk and the nearby town of Lyman.

The governor of Russia’s southern Belgorod region, which borders Ukraine, said Saturday that Ukrainian forces shelled two of the province’s districts with mortars and grenade launchers the previous day. According to Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov, no civilians were hurt.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...es-civilians-ac5dc7fd66b340a42209a350892963b4
 
Civilians killed and wounded as Russian forces renew push to take towns in eastern Ukraine

BY NEBI QENA
Updated 10:04 AM BRT, October 21, 2023

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — At least three civilians were killed and others wounded in Ukraine on Friday and Saturday, as Russian forces continued to shell areas across the country and pushed forward near an embattled eastern city, local Ukrainian officials reported Saturday.

A man died as Russian forces shelled the Ukrainian-held town of Nikopol from their stronghold at Ukraine’s largest nuclear plant, according to Ukrainian local Gov. Serhii Lysak. Lysak said that emergency services in Nikopol were working to assess the damage.

Russian troops took over the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant early in the war, sparking intermittent fears of a radiation incident as shelling persisted near the site, often targeting Ukrainian-controlled settlements across the Dnieper River.

In Kryvyi Rih, the central Ukraine hometown of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, , a 60-year-old man died on Friday evening when a Russian missile slammed into an industrial facility, according to Telegram posts by Mayor Oleksandr Vilkul. The man’s wife was hospitalized with serious shrapnel wounds, Vilkul said.

The mayor reported that Russian missiles and drones hit the same place again overnight, causing unspecified damage and sparking a fire that was put out by morning. Vilkul did not elaborate on the site’s nature or whether it was linked to Ukraine’s war effort. He said nobody was hurt in the second strike.

In southern Ukraine’s front-line Kherson region, one civilian was killed and another wounded during “mass shelling” attacks by Russian troops, Gov. Oleksandr Prokudin said Saturday. The Russians used mortars, artillery, tanks, drones, and multiple-rocket launchers to target the region, striking some residential areas, Prokudin wrote in a Telegram post.

Russian shelling over the past day also wounded one civilian in the front-line city of Avdiivka, in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region, acting local Gov. Ihor Moroz reported on Saturday. Avdiivka has been fiercely contested by Russian and Ukrainian forces in recent weeks as Kyiv’s forces try to hold off a renewed Russian assault.

Moroz said that exploding drones, missiles, mortars and artillery shells fired by Russian troops also struck other parts of the region.

Russian troops on Friday launched a fresh offensive north of Avdiivka that has secured minor gains, according to an analysis by the Institute for the Study of War. The Washington-based think tank cited geolocated footage from pro-Kremlin “military bloggers” on the ground to support its assessment.

Moscow’s renewed push near Avdiivka reflects the Russian military command’s commitment to offensive operations in the area “despite heavy materiel and personnel losses,” the institute said.

The Ukrainian General Staff on Friday claimed that Ukrainian forces had damaged and destroyed almost 50 Russian tanks and over 100 armored vehicles in the fighting near Avdiivka during the previous day. The claim that could not be independently verified.

Oleksandr Shputu, a spokesman for the Ukrainian army unit fighting near Avdiivka, said in televised remarks Saturdays that Russian military activity in the area had “decreased slightly,” possibly due to heavy losses. However, Shputun acknowledged that Russian units continued to advance.

In the northeastern Kharkiv region, a 39-year-old civilian man was hospitalized with wounds as Russian shelling hit two village homes near the embattled town of Kupiansk, Gov. Oleh Syniehubov reported on Saturday. Russian forces have for weeks been pressing an offensive to retake territory near Kupiansk and the nearby town of Lyman.

The governor of Russia’s southern Belgorod region, which borders Ukraine, said Saturday that Ukrainian forces shelled two of the province’s districts with mortars and grenade launchers the previous day. According to Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov, no civilians were hurt.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...es-civilians-ac5dc7fd66b340a42209a350892963b4
Impossible! I was lead to believe by a very useful person that this is a soft invasion minimizing civilian casualties and that Russia is not targeting civilians power, heating, agricultural and industrial infrastructure.
 
Impossible! I was lead to believe by a very useful person that this is a soft invasion minimizing civilian casualties and that Russia is not targeting civilians power, heating, agricultural and industrial infrastructure.

Correct, they are doing everything they can to avoid attacking civilian targets…. Meanwhile that’s what they have been targeting since the war began.
Just wondering if he is flat out lying or getting Russian propaganda info or both.
 
Correct, they are doing everything they can to avoid attacking civilian targets…. Meanwhile that’s what they have been targeting since the war began.
Just wondering if he is flat out lying or getting Russian propaganda info or both.

No you!
You are brain washed by western media!!!
We all know Russia has never killed a civilian ever. And when they do its by mistake or because Ukraina is hiding soldiers and military stuff there.
Russia just want peace!!
And best way to get peace is to invade countries, especially the ones run by Nazis. Which is every country Russia does not like.
So almost all of them.
You would know this if you read the real news and not the western main stream media.

You are just a bunch of zombies !!!
 
No you!
You are brain washed by western media!!!
We all know Russia has never killed a civilian ever. And when they do its by mistake or because Ukraina is hiding soldiers and military stuff there.
Russia just want peace!!
And best way to get peace is to invade countries, especially the ones run by Nazis. Which is every country Russia does not like.
So almost all of them.
You would know this if you read the real news and not the western main stream media.

You are just a bunch of zombies !!!

If Russia killed them they were a Nazi. Simple as.
 
No you!
You are brain washed by western media!!!
We all know Russia has never killed a civilian ever. And when they do its by mistake or because Ukraina is hiding soldiers and military stuff there.
Russia just want peace!!
And best way to get peace is to invade countries, especially the ones run by Nazis. Which is every country Russia does not like.
So almost all of them.
You would know this if you read the real news and not the western main stream media.

You are just a bunch of zombies !!!

nailed it!
 


oh no! Putler Struck back!
he took out 6 retired mig21s!

The funny thing is that if they hit these mig-21s they do have the capability to hit other aircraft. Their main problem seems to be intelligence.
If they are able to know when a su-27, mig-29 or later on a f-16 is parked, refueling or landing they can destroy it, however they seem to very rarely do it.
Russia did destroyed some Ukr fighters on the ground but Ukraine is still flying which is absurd given the large amount of missiles Russia has at its disposal.
 
The funny thing is that if they hit these mig-21s they do have the capability to hit other aircraft. Their main problem seems to be intelligence.
If they are able to know when a su-27, mig-29 or later on a f-16 is parked, refueling or landing they can destroy it, however they seem to very rarely do it.
Russia did destroyed some Ukr fighters on the ground but Ukraine is still flying which is absurd given the large amount of missiles Russia has at its disposal.


i imagine the Air defense around UKR airbases is insanely heavy. i imagine the Mantis battery's + patriot+ something else is around the major UKR bases.


Besides if any F-16s get damage, i imagine they'll just go into Romania or Poland to get fixed.

That being said, i wonder if any of the F-16 will some form of upgrades to make them more capable.
 
The funny thing is that if they hit these mig-21s they do have the capability to hit other aircraft. Their main problem seems to be intelligence.
If they are able to know when a su-27, mig-29 or later on a f-16 is parked, refueling or landing they can destroy it, however they seem to very rarely do it.
Russia did destroyed some Ukr fighters on the ground but Ukraine is still flying which is absurd given the large amount of missiles Russia has at its disposal.
This isn't the first time they've chosen to spend their limited military resources on a fake/propaganda victory, instead of hitting a legit target
 
Impossible! I was lead to believe by a very useful person that this is a soft invasion minimizing civilian casualties and that Russia is not targeting civilians power, heating, agricultural and industrial infrastructure.

He was clearly a Nazi. Russia was able to neutralize him as he was performing the salute while dressed in full SS uniform and had Mein Kamph in his jacket pocket. It's an open and shut case.
 
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