International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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i imagine the Air defense around UKR airbases is insanely heavy. i imagine the Mantis battery's + patriot+ something else is around the major UKR bases.


Besides if any F-16s get damage, i imagine they'll just go into Romania or Poland to get fixed.

That being said, i wonder if any of the F-16 will some form of upgrades to make them more capable.
Yes, but for example, they used a lot of missiles against the Patriot battery near Kiev and they were able to damage it a bit.
If they had used it to destroy a bunch of planes or helicopters it's likely they would have succeeded.
 
The giant armored columns weren't working, so lets try 1 at a time..

There is a rather harrowing sequal to this online now...
Regardless of their affiliation,.i have some sympathy for guys getting thrown at the front like this...
 
China will be in said position over his own ambitions anyway, they definitively are the big winners of this war so far.
I agree they're the ones that are gaining the most out of a negative situation

China is literally doing
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the can't do anything but support Russia, so they price that support as high as they can

But chess stalemate i was referring to, does'nt require the two parts involved to be on even conditions (one can be in way more advantageus position, often is how it goes), it just takes that the situation does'nt allow to move and the game is fucked.
Actually is a scenario that if intentional is encouraged by the fucked up side, not by the upper hand one

I agree with you that if China is locked there is only due his own ambitions
If was'nt for that #1/Superpower/Will-surpass-USA! dream, as external free player they would have many options... probably get best of both worlds, keeping the business they built with west and probably still scamming Russia (probably scamming it even more)

But as you say their ambition tie their hands, as they put themselves in a giant game that can't be played without a team, even if the most important member of their team do the fuck he want at any time regardless of your opinion or how his actions may disturb your plans

Does'nt help China play for long safe game, Russia play gamble for Putin's personal legacy

In my ignorance i believe China made a mistake thinking this game is about simple power of the teams, ignoring the composition:
When you watch "the west" beyond the hypocrisy for sure many differences and gimmicks come out (to say one, as italian i despise french and german political strategies), but if we get rid of the bitching there's one clear direction: USA is the big boss and other nations follow

Seems to me to match the west China thought ally with gigantic nations like Russia and India by straight grand total would give her a position of power able to face/surpass USA, but reality is China does'nt seem to have over them same influence USA have over western team
Russia will never play as #2 as long Putin is alive, India does'nt trust/like them and tbh is'nt even locked into same west nemesis role China/Russia put on themselves

I think Russia actions may have dropped a big turd on China quiet plans to slowly win the world, even more because Russia did'nt dominated the smaller nation, but in people's eyes is struggling in an embarassing way
I mean if Russia quickly took over Ukraine and west could'nt do shit about it, in China's eyes at least would have been a rise of value of their ally, they could have played good cop-bad cop and all that shit... but current outcome obtained opposite result
Actually they that ever worked hard to avoid any confrontation with the west (their flexing ever been about increasing wealth and giving no fucks about western morals while handling internal national stuff, not russian style threats), still they got stuck into have to put their face in this situation and if ever Russia will have to retire with tail between legs, small % of that embarassment will fall on them too because it became team shit


ps: not saying western situation is perfect either, just focused on China's side of the thing
 
India refuses to pay for Russian oil in yuan: Bloomberg reports

"India rejects the demand of Russian oil suppliers who want payment for oil in yuan, according to Bloomberg.

"Some Russian oil suppliers are demanding payment in yuan, according to a senior Indian official directly involved in the negotiations and another senior person at a state-owned oil refiner," the statement reads.

According to them, the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi will not agree to these requests. Nearly 70% of India's oil refineries are state-owned, which means they will have to follow the payment instructions of the Ministry of Finance.

The Indian Oil Corporation, the largest state-owned oil refinery, used to pay in yuan for Russian oil, although the government banned this practice. In Russia, there is an excess of Indian rupees, which it is actively trying to use. At the same time, Russia's demand for yuan has sharply increased as its economy becomes more dependent on imports from China.

Russian companies conduct most of their trade in yuan, with the Chinese currency replacing the dollar as the most traded currency in Russia this year."

India refuses to pay for Russian oil in yuan: Bloomberg reports (msn.com)
 
Ukraine reports progress along Dnieper - targeting crucial village
The Ukrainian military claims that its troops not only managed to enter Russian-occupied territory, but also for the first time established positions along the Dnieper River in the Kherson region, the BBC writes.

A unit tells the news channel that the focus is now on taking full control of the village of Krynky next to the river. If the plans fall through, it would mean Ukraine would get a new base from which to launch a major offensive aimed at dividing Russian troops and cutting off their supply lines.

The US-based think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW) has noted that Ukrainian forces have engaged in larger-than-usual ground operations on the eastern side of the river."

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Bakhmut came at a horrible human cost, but in terms of equipment it seems the Russians are losing more in this offensive

There is reason.
While Ukr propaganda called Bakhmut as some kind of super fortress it was city on relatively plain ground area with some heights around it.
Bakhmut as logistic hub had value before railroads and roads etc had been destroyed....
After this strategic value remained only for heights around Bakhmut.

1. Some pro Ukr ppl openly afforded to tell that fortifications were not so well prepared and Ukr administration heavily used role of Bakhmut as some kind of prepared fortress.
2. Actually Ukr had used approx month for mine laying....

Anyway we had to see meat grinder.

In Avdiivka areas they in some cases should go uphill, ie against heights and here they had approx 8 years in row installed mines etc....damn.

And looks that to take some area ASAP is political goal and no one will care about casualties.
 
However Russia had improved tactique and methods and also is using well equipped units.

Improvements from gliding areial bombs usage and tunnels digging till unmanned ground machines to deliver ammo etc mine clearing wires etc and so on....

Still looks that political and propagandistic aims are more worth for them than to think about casualties....and even technique losses.
Therefore they despite get upper hand in this area, still are pushing guys to get their foots on the ground ASAP.
 
Yes, but for example, they used a lot of missiles against the Patriot battery near Kiev and they were able to damage it a bit.
If they had used it to destroy a bunch of planes or helicopters it's likely they would have succeeded.
Damaged one connection cable, one launcher and generator....this all.
It is nothing special....

Patriot battery usually does have 6-8 launchers.....

With IRIS-T they were more successful when damaged with drone radar, this stuff is very expensive....
Germany had sent replacement radar...
This ofc was possible also cos this stuff was close to frontline.
 
Patriot launcher is cheap and might be used in remote mode, connected via cables or radio link with control point via connection points.
It is cheaper than missiles loaded in such launcher .... considerably cheaper.

Expensive is radar, KP and CP..
CP will be also expensive cos this is not unmanned....
Missiles are expensive etc.
 
Patriot, NASAMS, IRIS and SAMP-T launchers ofc are manned when they are loaded and transported, installed.
While after installed and prepared to wait...these might be unmanned...used via remote control.
KP might be unmanned or manned ....ie with perssonel in.
CP are manned with expensive skilled perssonel ...and if these are killed then it is expensive....
 
Unfortunately for Ukraine Russia does not have nor lack of tanks, apcs and AFVs nor they does have Any lack of manpower or ammunition. It is painful reality.
While if they will continue like last week then such reality might appear for them.
 

Bakhmut came at a horrible human cost, but in terms of equipment it seems the Russians are losing more in this offensive

These last few weeks Russia has suffered what I would think would be unacceptable losses for them- hundreds of armored vehicles and up to 20 helicopters in a single strike, along with like 5 fighter jets. They amount of money invested into equipment they’ve lost these last few weeks. is off the charts. They still keep going though..
 
These last few weeks Russia has suffered what I would think would be unacceptable losses for them- hundreds of armored vehicles and up to 20 helicopters in a single strike, along with like 5 fighter jets. They amount of money invested into equipment they’ve lost these last few weeks. is off the charts. They still keep going though..

I guess Putin thinks it's worth it if they win the war in the end.
 
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