International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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Macron had signed september 2023 th lethal aid package.
He might sign also additional assistance package for september if bills will be prepared.
 
Limbo Pete said:
Well you know... not all "viewpoints" are created equally. Neither I nor anyone else has any obligation to treat Russian apologetics diarrhea as anything other than the hot shit mess it actually is.
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Discussing "Elites" and ordinary persons roles in armed conflict and how much choice they have is russian bullshit?

Excuse me but what

Its legit discussion conserning war which has been talked about since draft was invented

This whole discussion reminds me of ukrainian on reddit who said same things as bojka said and all westeners jumped him saying hes russian shill
 
Cole train said:
Discussing "Elites" and ordinary persons roles in armed conflict and how much choice they have is russian bullshit?
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Saying that a president is an hypocrite because he won't send his kids to the frontline in a case of a territorial invasion is definitively Russian bullshit.

This isn't a war of choice for Ukraine, Zelensky has two options, either flee Karzai style or stay and coordinate territorial defense.

Saying that Zelensky relatives need to be on the frontline and then be open about it because otherwise he isn't fit for leadership is fucking ridiculous, for once Zelensky himself has visited the frontlines several times, that should be more than enough to show he isn't an hypocrite.

And even when pointing out he did visit the frontline, some poster claimed it doesn't counts because he wasn't storming a trench or some shit.
 
DEVILsSON said:
You know Ukraine is making some headway when all the regulars of the neutrals brigade start chiming in with the same worn out bs.

BRB I am enlisting in the Ukrainian forces, so one troll here can finally be happy.
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"You're all western MSM sheep but I'm too big of a pussy to post anything that supports my viewpoint because I know damn well it's just Russian propaganda" brigade
 
Rod1 said:
Saying that a president is an hypocrite because he won't send his kids to the frontline in a case of a territorial invasion is definitively Russian bullshit.

This isn't a war of choice for Ukraine, Zelensky has two options, either flee Karzai style or stay and coordinate territorial defense.

Saying that Zelensky relatives need to be on the frontline and then be open about it because otherwise he isn't fit for leadership is fucking ridiculous, for once Zelensky himself has visited the frontlines several times, that should be more than enough to show he isn't an hypocrite.

And even when pointing out he did visit the frontline, some poster claimed it doesn't counts because he wasn't storming a trench or some shit.
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80 percent of ukrainian families have someone in armed forces, zelensky doesnt have to go in by himself but if hes family wants to take part in sacrifice ukrainian people are making then his 18 year daughter joins in, visiting frontline is not even in same galaxy from morale of troops point of view nor when discussing setting example

(Note that im not saying she has to, im against forced draft unless absolutely needed since combat effectiveness will be lowered plus 18 year olds are basically just kids)

Correct about ukr not having choice but not related to discussion why elites kids can avoid draft while ordinary peoples kids go in.

Generally speaking Big Z is doing good job as war time president though imo
 
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DEVILsSON said:
Looks like up to 9 Russian planes in total were damaged or destroyed at the Pskov airfield.

It's hilarious using 3500$ cardboard drones to destroy multi million dollar planes.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/01/cardboard-drones-eyed-in-strikes-on-russian-airfields/



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OBL said that “all that we have to do is send two mujahideen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth that says al-Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note.”
 
DEVILsSON said:
You know Ukraine is making some headway when all the regulars of the neutrals brigade start chiming in with the same worn out bs.

BRB I am enlisting in the Ukrainian forces, so one troll here can finally be happy.
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Ukraine like Russia is kleptocracy...
 
Cole train said:
80 percent of ukrainian families have someone in armed forces, zelensky doesnt have to go in by himself but if hes family wants to take part in sacrifice ukrainian people are making then his 18 year daughter joins in, visiting frontline is not even in same galaxy from morale of troops point of view nor when discussing setting example

(Note that im not saying she has to, im against forced draft unless absolutely needed since combat effectiveness will be lowered plus 18 year olds are basically just kids)

Correct about ukr not having choice but not related to discussion why elites kids can avoid draft while ordinary peoples kids go in.
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I paritally agree because I don't support mandatory conscription per se even in peace time.;)
While to tell that all 18 y.o are just kids when a lot of 17 y.o might attempt to cut us like tomatoes....
 
Cole train said:
Discussing "Elites" and ordinary persons roles in armed conflict and how much choice they have is russian bullshit?

Excuse me but what

Its legit discussion conserning war which has been talked about since draft was invented

This whole discussion reminds me of ukrainian on reddit who said same things as bojka said and all westeners jumped him saying hes russian shill
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The poster in question was not having a good faith discussion about compulsory military service during a war lol
 
SandisLL said:
I paritally agree because I don't support mandatory conscription per se even in peace time.
While to tell that all 18 y.o are just kids when a lot of 17 y.o might attempt to cut us like tomatoes....
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18 year olds lack problem solving ability in my experience also general lack of life experience in how to deal with different situations

Would rather have 30 year old guy who has life experience and has gone through stuff

Average age is 33 on frontline among ukr troops btw our news said last year
 
Limbo Pete said:
The poster in question was not having a good faith discussion about compulsory military service during a war lol
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Might be, might be not

That poster has ties to ukr ( i remember him saying before war years back) so who knows

Personally i see zero pro russia stuff.
 
Cole train said:
18 year olds lack problem solving ability in my experience also general lack of life experience in how to deal with different situations

Would rather have 30 year old guy who has life experience and has gone through stuff

Average age is 33 on frontline among ukr troops btw our news said last year
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Yes, I agree that 18 y.o usually doesn't have enough life experience.
I too was more stupid when I was 17 than when I was 18 not alone if compare with 19 y.o version.
 
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