International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

[Limbo Pete]

 

[SummerStriker]

I read that the US has thousands of Abrams tanks it isn't using. Maybe the bottleneck is maintainance or parts or something but the number provided seems very small, if in fact the intentions of the government are what they say. I imagine tank maintenance and training is orders of magnitude easier that jet fighters- kind of a strange situation.

As an American living in the safety of the interior of the empire, stalemate is the ideal situation.

 

[Strychnine]

This is just...

Sad.

 

[San Marino]

Do you think the news of US sending ATACMS will change anything or is it too late? Lots of F-16's coming too and Abrams will be in the battle soon and getting more then originally promised. Should they surrender now before that stuff comes?

My opinion, no. I don't think ATACMS will change anything. It will be a limited number since the US has few to give to Ukraine.
Not a lot, but a few F-16s. Pilots with no experience with the plane, plus Russia does have a decent air defense system.
I don't think the M-1 Abrams tank will make a difference for Ukraine.
Ukraine is not going to surrender, at least not while they still have an Army and soldiers to fight. That Army is shrinking by the week with few replacements. It won't come down to missiles, planes, or tanks. It will come down to soldiers on the ground. At some point in the not-too-distant future, Ukraine will reach a point where its Army is no longer effective due to size. When that happens, the conflict will end.

Isn’t anything above the new lines Ukraine takes south at risk of being cut off? Ukraine could just March west or east of those lines presumably behind defensive fortifications facing to the north. They can also just shell the shit out of it from two directions.

My opinion, yes. Breaking through Russian defensive positions will not be easy, there will be lots of casualties. Plus, Ukrainian soldiers can be enveloped by Russian forces. Things have now come down to trench warfare. Like in WWI. I think artillery from either side is what is going to decide things. It is a 600-mile front, 100 miles deep. Ukranian movement into Russian occupied positions has been limited and only gone 3 to 6 miles deep both in the South and East. This at a high casualty rate for Ukraine. This is not something Ukraine can afford.

 

[San Marino]

ISW - Campaign Assessment, 24 September 2023.

• Elements of three Russian divisions are actively defending against Ukrainian assaults around the Ukrainian salient in the Orikhiv area in western Zaporizhia Oblast.
• Ukrainian forces are attacking along three directions within the Orikhiv salient as of September 24.
• Russian sources report that Ukrainian forces broke into Verbove on September 22 and continued attacking the settlement with armored vehicles as of September 24.
• Ukrainian forces are attacking north of Verbove and could isolate the 56th VDV Regiment deployed in Novofedorivka from its sister regiments in the Verbove area according to Russian sources.
• Russian forces continue to expend significant combat power on counterattacking to hold their current positions and appear to be resisting the operationally sound course of action of falling back to prepared defensive positions further south.
• The Russian military command may be ordering these counterattacks to buy time, but it is unclear how the Kremlin intends to use time bought at such a price.
• The Russian sacrifice of combat power to hold every meter may alternatively be intended to support the Kremlin’s informational and hybrid warfare objectives.
• Ukrainian forces may be able to achieve an operationally significant breakthrough in the southern frontline if several key assumptions hold.
• Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 24.

 

[DEVILsSON]

 

[PEB]

Russian soldiers who is being held in Ukraine talking about low moral of the Russian soldiers as this war drags on month after month. Said that many are not receiving the medical care needed and hardware needed.

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

6 day old video.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Its not unbiased, i mean look at the thumbnails for ukr vids

That being said it is a great channel overall for history stuff and conserning this conflict it is good for some stuff.

Their battle for kiev video for example is very good

They’re biased in that they openly support Ukraine. They are not biased in their reporting of the war.

 

[Rational Poster]

How's wealth distribution working out in California and New York?

Seems awfully top heavy to me.... lol

I accept your concession.

 

[Rod1]

Small business and 57k people huh

And yet Republicans will still vote down any attempt of the government to actually help Americans.

Only thing they passed during their full house control of government was a deficit busting 1 trillion dollar tax cuts for the 1%

 

[Rod1]

Russian forces continue to expend significant combat power on counterattacking to hold their current positions and appear to be resisting the operationally sound course of action of falling back to prepared defensive positions further south.

This is a great point you keep ignoring.

Russia isn't necessarily having an "easier time since its defending" and the whole "elastic defense" you argued earlier sounds more like Russian cope propaganda.

Russia is counter-attacking all the time, so even though it seems Russians are only on defense based on map movement, the reality is that Russians are in a kind of offensive operation themselves since they immediately counter-attack, just with less success.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

You mean the tax cuts that are still in effect till 2025?

So you acknowledge those tax cuts exist? That's GOP wealth redistribution: Letting tax payers keep more of their wealth instead of stealing it to pay for shit like this.

I may have got mixed up on Biden and tax cuts. Looks like he is leaving those cuts in place while also raising taxes in a typical Dem attempt to steal your cake and lie about eating it too.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politic...ng-taxes-bidens-budget-trashes-trump-tax-cuts

 

[Rod1]

Small business and 57k people huh

57k Ukraine salaries, so like less than 6k Americans.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/28/zel...k-agree-to-coordinate-ukraine-investment.html

Has the brain trust here wrestled this aligator yet?

 

[Scerpi]

Why is it so hard to understand that it's out of the US defense budget, you know the $800+ billion spent annually? And a lot of it is from old stockpiles that have or are being phased out of use.

That video isn't some groundbreaking news. I saw an article months ago about the US helping pay first responder's salaries.
You should catch a ride to Washington and demand your handful of change back, ya bum.

And who wins when those stockpiles need to be replenished... give you three guesses, though you'll need just one.

Oh who's auditing where the funding is going? The DOD has never passed an audit. No one fucking knows where the money in Ukraine is actually going. Lets start there before giving Biden a blank checkbook to continue his quid pro quo.

 

[BlankaPresident]

@Scerpi @ColemanwastheGOAT would you support a permanent cut of the US defense budget?

 

[Scerpi]

I accept your concession.

Try again when you're able to shit out something worth posting.

California has the highest poverty level of all states in the US, according to US Census Bureau data
https://www.businessinsider.com/california-has-highest-poverty-level-in-the-us-census-bureau-2021-9

 

[Rholk]

Shouldn't be too hard to actually confirm this now:

That'd be one hell of a strike...