International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

[Cole train]

Penetrating a main defensive line is definitely significant

Time will tell, resources put in versus results

In other news rumour of massive strike coming on ukr energy infra going around on rus side (revenge for sevastopol)

 

[Limbo Pete]

Time will tell, resources put in versus results

In other news rumour of massive strike coming on ukr energy infra going around on rus side (revenge for sevastopol)

Well but at that point we're kind of talking about two different things. A defensive line broken vs unbroken is a very large contrast in terms of the physical realities of a war. I don't think there's any honest way to look at the breaking of a major defensive line as anything other than an important development. It's true that we can't literally know the furfure, but that doesn't mean we can't see something happening and be like "well, that's a big deal."

 

[Hog-train]

They should bypass the place and keep going, very little time left for the offensive before winter fucks up the roads, get as far as u can into occupied territory,they can cut off. tokmak and deal with it later

That's what I was thinking too. But I'm no military expert - they must have their reasons for doing it that way. Maybe if they just bypass it, their flanks will be vulnerable? No idea.

I believe if they take Tokmak, that will be in enough range for missile strikes to the Russian supply roads in the South.

 

[Cole train]

Well but at that point we're kind of talking about two different things. A defensive line broken vs unbroken is a very large contrast in terms of the physical realities of a war. I don't think there's any honest way to look at the breaking of a major defensive line as anything other than an important development. It's true that we can't literally know the furfure, but that doesn't mean we can't see something happening and be like "well, that's a big deal."

Thats up to person really, to me that breakthrough hole is extremely small and exposed,basically a grey zone and not important

Buut you got your opinion and i got mine, iv been wrong before lol

 

[Limbo Pete]

Thats up to person really, to me that breakthrough hole is extremely small and exposed,basically a grey zone and not important

Buut you got your opinion and i got mine, iv been wrong before lol

I mean, there's a pretty dramatic distinction between a door being open and a door being closed, especially if it was very heavy and also locked.

 

[San Marino]

Its still small, not sure if resources put in versus results really match.

Ukraine has expanded its control of the areas west of Verbove, and armored vehicles are operating beyond the first Surovikin line. Ukraine is not moving that far south this year or next year. A very small section of the 600-mile front.

 

[Cole train]

I mean, there's a pretty dramatic distinction between a door being open and a door being closed, especially if it was very heavy and also locked.

i still disagree

Look do you want to keep this yes/no thing up because it will lead to no where because everything in this discussion is currently opinion based.

I expressed my opinion, you expressed yours, no one listened nor learned anything from other guy in true sherdog fashion and the world keeps turning lol

 

[Limbo Pete]

i still disagree

Look do you want to keep this yes/no thing up because it will lead to no where because everything in this discussion is currently opinion based.

I expressed my opinion, you expressed yours, no one listened nor learned anything from other guy in true sherdog fashion and the world keeps turning lol

Well it seems like there should be at least some kind of natural consensus regarding the physical, operational and tactical distinction between a major -major- defensive line being sound vs penetrated. I didn't think this, eh, conversation was weird at first, but now i'm starting to wonder.

 

[Cole train]

Well it seems like there should be at least some kind of natural consensus regarding the physical, operational and tactical distinction between a major -major- defensive line being sound vs penetrated. I didn't think this, eh, conversation was weird at first, but now i'm starting to wonder.

You want tactics here comes

Breaching hole is small, likely not taken fully either, exposed to fire from 3 sides plus air and looking at map also surrounded by russians from 3 sides with a lot of units

ukrainians are packet tightly, good targets for artillery which ukr counter arty is trying to silence.Attrition rate likely high, russian side of internet is not worried at all btw

Breaching main line means nothing if you cant continue from it, paid too much for it or did too little damage to enemy.

My tactical 2 cents which have no source what so ever

 

[Limbo Pete]

You want tactics here comes

Breaching hole is small, likely not taken fully either, exposed to fire from 3 sides plus air and looking at map also surrounded by russians from 3 sides with a lot of units

ukrainians are packet tightly, good targets for artillery which ukr counter arty is trying to silence.Attrition rate likely high, russian side of internet is not worried at all btw

Breaching main line means nothing if you cant continue from it, paid too much for it or did too little damage to enemy.

My tactical 2 cents which have no source what so ever

As opposed to the situation, say, 3 months ago, when there was no breakthrough and no door through their defensive line, and Verbove was fully secure. Seems like a significant turn of events imo.

 

[Cole train]

As opposed to the situation, say, 3 months ago, when there was no breakthrough and no door through their defensive line, and Verbove was fully secure. Seems like a significant turn of events imo.

And once again i disagree for reasons listed in last page

And we have gone full cicle

Hence why i dont like discussion based on opinions purely because it leads to circle of yes/no (not related to you btw)

 

[Limbo Pete]

And once again i disagree for reasons listed in last page

And we have gone full cicle

Hence why i dont like discussion based on opinions purely because it leads to circle of yes/no (not related to you btw)

Well the breakthrough isn't an opinion, it's a fact. I'm just not sure how someone looks at the breaking of a major defensive line and goes ehhhh, no biggie

 

[scoopj]

Oh most definitely. They’ve been around a while mostly doing historical content and were highly respected among the community, even before this war.

I really like these wrap up videos they do. They’re obviously a few weeks behind, but that’s because they wait to verify all the information prior to publishing the videos. That way they avoid pushing a “ghost of Kyiv” story.

they put out so much great content it’s unreal. For about two years now they’ve been doing a week by week of the entire Pacific war in WWII. Probably my favorite YouTube channel

Very nice, thanks.

 

[Cole train]

Well the breakthrough isn't an opinion, it's a fact. I'm just not sure how someone looks at the breaking of a major defensive line and goes ehhhh, no biggie

Yup breakthrough is a fact

I still disagree about it being meaningful which is what we are discussing here

Also you havent explained why this breakthrough is meaningful in tactical sense since you wanted to discuss how this affects military stuff, i have explained my side of discussion

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Penetrating a main defensive line is definitely significant

I believe so also because that's where the main concentration of mines would be. The whole defensive area wouldnt be mined otherwise they would be killing themselves with them. Not to mention everytime UKR has gained ground Russia has done a counter attack which mkes me wonder how many times they have hit their own mines I mean Russia being Russia and all.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Right. Because that would be bad. Watching men die is OK though.

Well this is the war room and we are talking about a major war. This isnt peaches and puppies we are talking about here and maybe people seeing the reality and brutality of this stupid military operation can appreciate why sending UKR aid is important.

 

[Terry Noonan]

Ukraine has expanded its control of the areas west of Verbove, and armored vehicles are operating beyond the first Surovikin line. Ukraine is not moving that far south this year or next year. A very small section of the 600-mile front.

Isn’t anything above the new lines Ukraine takes south at risk of being cut off? Ukraine could just March west or east of those lines presumably behind defensive fortifications facing to the north. They can also just shell the shit out of it from two directions ..

/not a general.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Injured Russian soldiers are being sent back to the front line without being treated amid manpower and ammunition shortages, report says
Alia Shoaib

Injured Russian soldiers are being sent back to the front lines in Ukraine without being treated as Putin's forces suffer manpower shortages, Siberia.Realities, a regional outlet of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, reported.

Irina, the mother of a Russian soldier called Nikolai, told the outlet that her son could not walk "without screaming" or painkillers due to shrapnel in both of his legs — but he had still been sent back to the front line.

She said he had been serving with 27th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Brigade and has been wounded twice in battle.

The first time he was taken to a hospital, but the shrapnel was not removed, and the second time, he returned to the front line the day after getting injured.

She said that troops were being treated "like cows at a slaughterhouse" and that she believed her son's poor treatment was due to the fact that he was a former prisoner who had been recruited to fight.

Ekaterina Bogdanova, from Irkutsk Oblast in Siberia, told the outlet that her husband Kostya, who served in the same brigade, had also been wounded by shrapnel on the same day as Nikolai.

"That day they had terrible losses, six men for every 10," Bogdanova said, adding that her husband had told her his unit was running out of ammunition.

"They come with only automatic rifles and half-empty cartridges. There's not enough ammo for half a minute. The fact that they came back — a quarter of those who left — is a great miracle," she added.

Both women said they had appealed to the military prosecutor's office on behalf of their son and husband, but they told the outlet that they had not heard back.

The claims come amid further reports about Russia's mounting losses and ammunition shortages as Ukraine continues its counteroffensive.

A video shared on X, formerly known as Twitter, earlier this week by Anton Gerashchenko, an advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, showed a group of men claiming to be Russian artillerymen complaining about being sent to the front lines as infantrymen, without proper training, after running out of ammunition.

A recent investigative report by independent Russian outlets said that the average time for a mobilized Russian troop to die in Ukraine was just four-and-a-half months.

https://news.yahoo.com/injured-russ...ta4AIxCs95exK_pa-Vf7QbNM8a8ty-wiK19cRd0m-JcQT

- Poor guys. Are send to die, because some ditactor got to compensate his small penis.

And this will get way worse before it get's better, the attrition war UKR has been operating hs been slowly working if these stories are true of course but it's been repeated over and over so likely has truth to it.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Time will tell, resources put in versus results

In other news rumour of massive strike coming on ukr energy infra going around on rus side (revenge for sevastopol)

They tried that last winter to get the people to sue for peace while they freeze. But all it did was galvanize the people even more to realize they cant let Russia win and live under Putlers boot. UKR striking military targets , ammo depots, air defenses etc I think Is a tad more productive then terror attacks.

 

[Cole train]

They tried that last winter to get the people to sue for peace while they freeze. But all it did was galvanize the people even more to realize they cant let Russia win and live under Putlers boot. UKR striking military targets , ammo depots, air defenses etc I think Is a tad more productive then terror attacks.

Yea its meaningless for military effort in my opinion, military has own generators etc

Its just to mess with population if they do it