International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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When you start digging a bit into the money the US is "sending" to Ukraine, its amazing to find out how much is actually being spent in the US and more so in red states. We are building the military machinery and shipping it over.

Huzzah!
 
When you start digging a bit into the money the US is "sending" to Ukraine, its amazing to find out how much is actually being spent in the US and more so in red states. We are building the military machinery and shipping it over.

Huzzah!
Do tell
 


It seems like the Russian air defense systems are just getting pounded. Not totally overwhelmed across the board, but broken down in a much more targeted way. I don't know anything about this stuff or what Russia could do to improve their situation, but it sounds like getting these new missiles from us is going to make the situation even more dire. I don't know that we've had a modern war within recent memory that showed such dramatic improvements and innovations on the fly. Ukraine has turned themselves into this incredible jack of all trades fighting force that uses technology and whatever random shit they can find from every other military out there. It's wild.

According to elon nuclear war and ww3 is about to start cause the russians told him any attack on crimea would lead to that
 
According to elon nuclear war and ww3 is about to start cause the russians told him any attack on crimea would lead to that
In reality asking a civilian to help orchestrate an attack is a dumb thing to do. Maybe the cia should have asked him instead of someone from UKR.
 
If there is a silver lining here
Its atleast, and it's probably the reason why we even care enough to give Ukraine gear, the west now knows it's weaponry against Russia is superior. So if there was a war without nukes it's easily a 10-8. :)

Next title fight .
Western weaponry vs China.
 


It seems like the Russian air defense systems are just getting pounded. Not totally overwhelmed across the board, but broken down in a much more targeted way. I don't know anything about this stuff or what Russia could do to improve their situation, but it sounds like getting these new missiles from us is going to make the situation even more dire. I don't know that we've had a modern war within recent memory that showed such dramatic improvements and innovations on the fly. Ukraine has turned themselves into this incredible jack of all trades fighting force that uses technology and whatever random shit they can find from every other military out there. It's wild.

It's really hard to stop missiles. Most air defense systems do well against conventional aircraft but not so well against missiles, which are smaller and faster or, in the case of cruise missiles, follow an unpredictable path.
Not unlike what happened with Saudi Arabia getting pounded by missiles and rockets from a ragtag militia despite having the Patriot system.
There isn't much Russia can do itself outside of dispersing their forces and supplies. No country, even the US, would have enough conventional missiles to completely destroy such a large area, eventually conventional aircraft with cheaper, more numerous bombs, would be needed.
However, Russian casualties will be high regardless.
Their main problem is that they seem unable to destroy the vehicles/aircraft shooting these missiles. HIMARS isn't supposed to be some unstoppable force, it's still a truck, it leaves a giant smoke trail leading back to it. Yet, Russia isn't able to quickly dispatch a plane to destroy it.
In large part that's because they're afraid of being shot down by mostly Soviet era systems.
In other words, Russian/Soviet equipment is pretty good but Russians suck at using it.
 
It's really hard to stop missiles. Most air defense systems do well against conventional aircraft but not so well against missiles, which are smaller and faster or, in the case of cruise missiles, follow an unpredictable path.
Not unlike what happened with Saudi Arabia getting pounded by missiles and rockets from a ragtag militia despite having the Patriot system.
There isn't much Russia can do itself outside of dispersing their forces and supplies. No country, even the US, would have enough conventional missiles to completely destroy such a large area, eventually conventional aircraft with cheaper, more numerous bombs, would be needed.
However, Russian casualties will be high regardless.
Their main problem is that they seem unable to destroy the vehicles/aircraft shooting these missiles. HIMARS isn't supposed to be some unstoppable force, it's still a truck, it leaves a giant smoke trail leading back to it. Yet, Russia isn't able to quickly dispatch a plane to destroy it.
In large part that's because they're afraid of being shot down by mostly Soviet era systems.
In other words, Russian/Soviet equipment is pretty good but Russians suck at using it.

Things should be getting even better now with the ATACMS in the picture, hopefully Germany will send the Taurus just for a little extra. No Navy fleet or aircraft are safe in Crimea and I’m sure generals and commanders get nervous when they hear a missile.
 
Russia either gets driven back completely, or Ukraine loses the war.
Kinda that simple.
Ukraine loses the war. Then what?
The west will stop giving two-shits about Ukrainian civilians? So, it is really not about the civilians now, is it?
 
This is probably the most negative take on Ukrainian demographics yet. https://jamestown.org/program/ukraines-personnel-needs-reaching-a-critical-threshold/
I personally think there are probably 29-27 million people left under the control of the Ukrainian government. The number of amputees is worrying though.
Good article.
What I have been saying. But people don't want to hear that. Why? Because Russia invaded Ukraine and Russia must lose.
Russia winning would be impossible. That is not how the world works. The bad guys always lose.
 
You just don't like being told the truth.
You’re always shitting on UKR but never Russia. Russia’s offence is basically done and UKR is never going to give up until they are out no matter the time or cost. They dont have a choice as much as they want Putler and the terrorists stealing their land.
Putin just told his soldiers no more rotations and they are there till they win or they die… imagine the high moral on the Russian side.
 
You’re always shitting on UKR but never Russia.
Why should I? 97% of this thread is already doing that.
Russia’s offence is basically done and UKR is never going to give up until they are out no matter the time or cost.
Ukraine has already lost this conflict. They will realize it in another year or two.
Read up on Americans in Vietnam and Iraq. Add to that the shortage of replacements Ukraine is currently facing.
Crying about it won't give Ukraine a victory.
 
Why should I? 97% of this thread is already doing that.

Ukraine has already lost this conflict. They will realize it in another year or two.
Read up on Americans in Vietnam and Iraq. Add to that the shortage of replacements Ukraine is currently facing.
Crying about it won't give Ukraine a victory.
And don’t forget about the civil war
 
  • The Russian government is reportedly planning to increase defense spending by 4.4 trillion rubles ($46 billion) in 2024.
Three weeks into this and not much has changed:
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