International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[San Marino]

Sad thing about this pointless war is that Putin was actually intelligent, but now that is his legacy. In twenty years from now, if someone says that Putin was intelligent, people will respond: The dumbass from the Ukraine war?
Russia was actually quite liked around the globe, before this stupid conflict. Can't imagine how difficult that made thing's from Russian citizens on other countries.

Good post mate. Indeed. Poor Russian citizens paying the price. The country has a rich culture and history. Things kind of went south after this stupid invasion. 50 years from now no one will truly remember this conflict. Like Vietnam. Vietnam is doing quite well these days.

 

[San Marino]

Meanwhile, the West can bleed Russia dry in a fashion that has never been seen before.

How exactly? China will support Russia with whatever it needs.

That being said, we should be doing a lot more and supply them with weapons that can impact Russians on a more meaningful scale, i.e Tomahawks, ATACMS, fighters and whatnot.

True. So, why is the west not supporting Ukraine in such fashion?

 

[jimbob27]

Argue? Legitimate questions mate. Two simple questions really.
What threat is Russia posing to the West? This conflict has been contained in Ukraine.
What other countries is Russia planning to invade besides Ukraine?

How do your food and petrol bills look compared to before this war?

Russia's aggression has destroyed peace in Europe and pretty much everyone's economy is looking worse because of dickhead putin. He's not just threatening the west, he's already directly affected everyone with his dumb plans to expand Russia's borders.

 

[Badr Hari]

How has Russia failed in this war?

Freaking lol at this question.
By embarrasing itself inside and in front of the whole world maybe. By barely taking full control of only one from 24 oblasts of Ukr (in 8 of which it invaded in day one for a blitz that ended up being a fart) in a war for which they have lost immense amount of technique and close to a quarter million soldiers. In a war after which they have made millions of russian speaking ukrainians Moscow's worst enemy out of a population which was largely neutral politically before the war. Rus with fortifications in the south and with dpr/lpr meat grinders in the east are only keeping the war active in the tactical and operational level. In the strategic point of view they have failed to achieve any success at all for well more than a year. They weren't able to defeat the military of Ukr and Ukr nationalism has only grown. Not because Ukr was some world power with crazy ass fighting skills but because Rus failed in almost every military task. (Because their military tasks are really the political ambitions of a rich and corrupt old elite using an occupational war for the interest of being re elected)

 

[Rational Poster]

The Russian plan was to take over Kiev in 3 days and install a puppet regime that was prorussia.
That utterly failed (altho you still seem to struggle with this).
Ukraine has taken back quite a bit of territory in offensives last year.
Just because the most recent Ukranian offensive appears to be struggling, and might even fail alltogether, doesnt mean this war hasnt been (and will continue to be) an utter failure from a Russian perspective.

They had the EU in a deadlock regarding energy when this started, they even blew that.
And even worse they have completely alienated themselves from the West for decades to come.

Meanwhile, the West can bleed Russia dry in a fashion that has never been seen before.

That beeing said, we should be doing a lot more and supply them with weapons that can impact Russians on a more meaningful scale, i.e Tomahawks, ATACMS, fighters and whatnot.

Imagine if there was an Iraqi counter offensive that pushed back American forces to 25km from the Kuwait border.

 

[San Marino]

Russia's aggression has destroyed peace in Europe and pretty much everyone's economy is looking worse because of dickhead putin. He's not just threatening the west, he's already directly affected everyone with his dumb plans to expand Russia's borders.

Well, Europe is suffering the effects of supporting Ukraine. Expanding Russian borders in Ukraine, nothing about Europe. Germany, France, and Great Britain can rest easy at night. ...and to think these guys (Russia) were our allies in WWII.

 

[MeatWagon06]

Ukraine not doing very well:
. Devastating losses of Ukraine: Numerous German Leopard tanks destroyed (msn.com)
According to a report by the Tass state agency, Shoigu stated that Ukraine lost exactly 20,824 soldiers as well as 2,227 armaments last month – probably in July. The said 2,227 material losses include ten Leopard tanks, eleven U.S. “Bradleys,” 40 M777 artillery systems from the United States, and 50 self-propelled artillery pieces from Britain, the United States, Germany, France, and Poland.
. Ukraine failed: attack on warships went wrong (msn.com)
. ‘Nowhere to hide’: The question troubling Ukrainian troops amid a grinding counteroffensive (msn.com)
. Russia's defensive lines are 'much more complex and deadly than anything experienced by any military in nearly 80 years,' retired general says (msn.com)

 

[Rholk]

Did you miss this post?

 

[San Marino]

Rus failed in almost every military task.

Russia has failed in this war?
The war is not over yet mate. The conflict is ongoing. Russia is still inside Ukraine fighting. It has taken roughly 18% of the country.
To put it in perspective, the US did not win in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Things went great for the US in the beginning of these conflicts only for things to go south and either tie (a cease fire in Korea) or lose the other wars.

 

[SandisLL]

The Russian plan was to take over Kiev in 3 days and install a puppet regime that was prorussia.
That utterly failed (altho you still seem to struggle with this).
Ukraine has taken back quite a bit of territory in offensives last year.
Just because the most recent Ukranian offensive appears to be struggling, and might even fail alltogether, doesnt mean this war hasnt been (and will continue to be) an utter failure from a Russian perspective.

They had the EU in a deadlock regarding energy when this started, they even blew that.
And even worse they have completely alienated themselves from the West for decades to come.

Meanwhile, the West can bleed Russia dry in a fashion that has never been seen before.

That beeing said, we should be doing a lot more and supply them with weapons that can impact Russians on a more meaningful scale, i.e Tomahawks, ATACMS, fighters and whatnot.

Partially.
We had ordered to fill storages ASAP in 28.02.2022 and all cranes were open.
While after comrade Lavrov demanded roubles for natural gas all beauty here eneded in the same day.
Plus if about defense exp it was worse.
Parliament had launched impeachment procedure for MoD because attempts to rise def budget..
Oppositon failed in this attempt, MoD had to keep post and def budget had been increased. While not in ammount they had opted for.

 

[jimbob27]

Well, Europe is suffering the effects of supporting Ukraine. Expanding Russian borders in Ukraine, nothing about Europe. Germany, France, and Great Britain can rest easy at night. ...and to think these guys (Russia) were our allies in WWII.

Russia stealing the breadbasket of Europe is what we're trying to prevent. We saw after ww2 what happens when Russia occupies countries. They become zombie shadows of their former selves.

 

[GhostZ06]

he Ukrainian Army 21st Brigade received a donation of armored vehicles from Sweden earlier this year, which included 50 CV90 infantry fighting vehicles, 10 Strv 122 tanks, eight Archer howitzers, and at least one Bgbv 90 armored recovery vehicle. However, these vehicles were insufficient to fully equip the entire brigade, which consists of 2,000 personnel.

The addition of Polish Rosomak Wolverines represents a significant improvement in the operational readiness of the Ukrainian Army 21st Brigade. These eight-wheel infantry fighting vehicles weigh 25 tons and were part of Poland's commitment to providing 200 of them to the Ukrainian government, as the Army Recognition editorial team reported on 06/04/2023. This is the first time they have been spotted in Ukraine.

The Rosomak is a Polish-made 8x8 wheeled Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) with its based on the Finnish Patria AMV (Armored Modular Vehicle) design. The name "Rosomak" translates to "Wolverine" in Polish, and in 2003, Poland acquired a license from Finland's Patria to produce the APC locally, with adaptations to meet the specific requirements of the Polish Armed Forces.

Manufactured primarily by Wojskowe Zakłady Mechaniczne (WZM), a Polish defense company, production of the Rosomak began in 2004, and the first units were delivered to the Polish military in 2007.

What sets the Rosomak apart is its exceptional modularity, enabling it to be configured for various roles, including infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), command and control, ambulance, reconnaissance, and more. Renowned for its mobility, protection, and firepower, the Rosomak excels in both urban and off-road environments.

The APC version of the Rosomak serves the vital role of transporting infantry troops while offering them a secure combat environment. Typically manned by a driver, a commander, and a gunner, the vehicle can accommodate 8-10 fully-equipped infantry soldiers, depending on the specific model and layout.

One of the most commendable features of the Rosomak is its high level of crew and troop protection. Its steel armor can be enhanced with modular additions, tailoring it to the mission's needs. The baseline armor provides defense against small arms fire, shell splinters, and mine explosions, while the additional armor can withstand larger caliber weapons and heavier anti-tank threats, including RPGs.

Furthermore, the Rosomak APC is equipped with an NBC (Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical) protection system, ensuring the safety of its occupants in contaminated environments. The vehicle also boasts smoke grenade launchers that can create a concealment smoke screen when required.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/def...ish_rosomak_apcs_to_fight_russian_troops.html

 

[Badr Hari]

Russia has failed in this war?
The war is not over yet mate. The conflict is ongoing. Russia is still inside Ukraine fighting. It has taken roughly 18% of the country.
To put it in perspective, the US did not win in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Things went great for the US in the beginning of these conflicts only for things to go south and either tie (a cease fire in Korea) or lose the other wars.

You didn't really put in perspective anything, I showed you arguments on why has Rus failed on every single one of it's strategic tasks and you listed a number of wars lost or drew by the US. Btw your examples confirm my stance of Rus unable to defeat Ukr army even more, because Ukr right now is stronger than Iraq, Vietnam or Afghanistan armies back then. Plus Ukr is more unified than ever and way more unified than all those three countries. And if those defeated US (a larger force than Rus by far), why is it impossible for Ukr to defeat Rus in it's already weak ass occupational attempt. And really 18% is it a proud thing to say now. Half of that was already taken in 2014, but after Putin's special operation even that half has become inhabitable, with some old people stuck in their basements here and there and trenches and mines everywhere outside. Even Belgorod which is inside Rus has become a desert these days. Putin has only been succesful to excellency in one task: bring non stop suffering to russian speaking people. He will be rememebed as one of the worst leaders in world history and russians are already disgusted by him if you have ever been interested in following russian social media space. Both the pro and anti war public hate him for the weakling/stupid idiot he has been shown to be and every time I see people from the West give him credit for anything it blows my mind.

 

[Rod1]

can rest easy at night. ...and to think these guys (Russia) were our allies in WWII.

No they can't Russia only stops when their teeth are kicked in, just like they didn't stopped in Asia until the Japanese beat them at Tsushima.

 

[Rod1]

Russia has failed in this war?

They failed all their strategic objectives, got sanctioned to hell and back and lost the most important market for their natural gas.

They are in a much worse position than before the war.

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

German Leopard tanks were destroyed were they not? Even Ukraine admits to that, but they still keep the official numbers a secret.

Yes Ukraine has lost some number of tanks and other equipment however what Russia has repeatedly done is release pictures of the same tanks or vehicles from different angles while claiming those were all separate tanks as they did from the first weeks of this 2023 offensive. It's incredibly disingenuous to post such information and pretend that it's even remotely accurate. This is beyond being naive. These are the type of things that you say that makes everyone question your motives.

 

[BlankaPresident]

How has Russia failed in this war? They are still in Ukraine. They are still fighting. The Ukrainian Army has not moved the Russian Army back to its original border. Both sides are taking heavy casualties. Check the articles on my earlier post above.

That's how they fail. Even if they keep the current territory (which I doubt) they completely lost their ability to project non-nuclear force and have most of their armed forces stuck in a quagmire.

The damage to their military, their economy, their diplomacy and their demographics will be felt for decades. Destroying Ukraine is not a victory. And even if they "win", they already lost.

 

[Strychnine]

Imagine invading Poland when you're getting nowhere in Ukraine.

That can't be real... but here we are.

What the fuck are Russia doing, aside from threatening the entire world?

"But if we just let Putin do what he wants, he'll stop!"