International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[grimballer]

Apparently you don't since you believe Russia is fighting NATO.

you pretend theyre not?

ukraine is doing everything by themselves?

gotta lay off the tequila amigo

 

[grimballer]

Milosevic, Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein disagree.

yeah, they can go after small players with weaker armies

theres the reason theyre just cheerleaders here. they would get completely humiliated if they entered this conflict

 

[SandisLL]

yeah, they can go after small players with weaker armies

theres the reason theyre just cheerleaders here. they would get completely humiliated if they entered this conflict

Like you?
You are troll.

 

[Rod1]

Does Russia really have the same GDP as California?!?
That is a whole lot of weak sauce, if true. Considering the size of Russia.

Not even close, California GDP is 3.6T, Russian GDP is 1.779T

Russia has roughly the same GDP as Brazil.

 

[SandisLL]

If Russia had conflict vs NATO in the same Ukraine, they had to get all these xxx days talked about Storm Shadow and Taurus and not only these...on their heads in couple days...march 2022 th.
And F-22 & F-35...a lot of them used.
Real beauty...
Also ofc these ATACMS, cluster ammo, cluster ammo for artillery and for HIMARS 227 mm missiles, napalm, GLSDB, Tomahawks ( for russians maybe better to tell Kalibr ) on their heads .... march 2022 th.

 

[grimballer]

Like you?
You are troll.

looking at your posts thats makes you what? a neanderthal?

 

[SandisLL]

Plus I don't think that China or West are interested to drop Putin off.
Putin is best financial and military sanction on russia and also considered as some kind like relatively safe for west ....
For China Putin is cool: more and more dependence from China, commodities with discounts and chinesse export stuff more expensive for russia...
For India and Brasil, Iran and North Korea Putin too at least today is comfortable.
Long live pres Putin.
Will wait next roubles printing session.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

but the conflict itself was created by nato...

so they are protecting themselves from a conflict they created?

Yes, UKR invaded Russia and Russia is only defending themselves....Putin is a victim.

 

[grimballer]

Yes, UKR invaded Russia and Russia is only defending themselves....Putin is a victim.

ahh yes, this conflict started in february 2022... before that nato/russia relations were at all time high

 

[Rod1]

you pretend theyre not?

ukraine is doing everything by themselves?

gotta lay off the tequila amigo

NATO is providing weapons, intelligence and training, they are not fighting.

Again, proxy war by definition is fought by PROXIES, otherwise its just a regular hot war, like Korea were NATO forces fought against Chinese troops.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Ukraine has lost close to 20% of their country to Russia. The war is not over yet.

And they are not taking a knee to Putin and kissing his ass like you are , are they? they are united in fighting back against the terrorists and will do it at a very high cost because they seen what happened after they did nothing about Crimea.

 

[SandisLL]

If Russia didn't had invaded Ukraine till today had get 0 heavy weapons sold ( not only donated ) by west like previous policy not to worry partners in Russia.
Also instead of xxxxx sources money injections they had get to implement strict fiscal discipline and lectures about anti money laundering policy. And small loans not generous financial injections from all world in general.
Also Zelensky after ( IF ) will implement EU reccomendations definitely had not to win presidental elections if war didn't happened.

Putin fucked up this natural realpolitik scenario.

 

[grimballer]

NATO is providing weapons, intelligence and training, they are not fighting.

Again, proxy war by definition is fought by PROXIES, otherwise its just a regular hot war, like Korea were NATO forces fought against Chinese troops.

and troops called "volunteers"

of course they dont want to admit they're fully committed cause all out war will not be popular back home.

on paper it's ukraine vs russia, but in reality its nato vs russia and nato is losing.

at least at the end they can claim ukraine "lost" and not nato

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Ukraine is not wining this conflict mate. They (Ukrainians) are just extending the inevitable. Soldiers and civilians dying during that period. The Ukrainian Army no longer has the manpower to push Russia back to its original borders. A lot of media fanfare over small Ukrainian victories. It is now becoming a very unpopular conflict for the west. Much like Vietnam was for the US.

Do you ever get sick of lying and spinning? You literally said a year ago UKR was out of troops and it was over maybe make a thread about the civil war or something....UKR is pushing them back with minimal loses while Russia still following their playbook. UKR has been adapting to situation while Russia sends their people in to die.

 

[Rational Poster]

so you just gonna pretend ukraine crying about germany not honoring their pledge to send heavy weapons didn't happen? k...

and its not like germany has the means to keep the support up. the moment us pulls the plug it's game over for kiev comedian and his insane self destructive war

Cool fan fiction

 

[The XL]

Obviously the NATO isn't using their troops or giving their best equipment, but without the equipment they've been given or the training they've received, Ukraine would be toast in short order.

 

[grimballer]

Cool fan fiction

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wC06BogzNy4

thats why kiev comedian is begging for soviet era weapons?

<Oku02>

 

[Redando]

NATO is providing weapons, intelligence and training, they are not fighting.

Again, proxy war by definition is fought by PROXIES, otherwise its just a regular hot war, like Korea were NATO forces fought against Chinese troops.

This goes beyond countries. People think governments have real power. The private sector has the power.
they are trying to destabilise (Western) Europe.
The War in Ukraine is just a project of the privat sector to speed up the shift of capital from the west to the east.
Europe is finished. The population is old.
The birth rate is low. Everybody could have predicted this.
The whole system is a failure.
They want all women and men to work. This leads to less children. This leads to an old population with low birth rates.
They have to let in immigrants to try to solve the low birth rates.
This system can only operate temporarily.
Now they have made the choice to move industry and capital to countries and areas with a young population with high birth rates. They will do the same for a time as they have done in the west.
The whole Ukraine war is just a move in the plan.

germany is de industrialising right now in a rapid speed. They have given up on Europe.
Europe has a bad future because of old population and low birth rates. There is no growth.
The War in Ukraine is just a tool to speed this up.
all industry in Europe will think twice now. energy is expensive and unpredictable . The population is old. There is no growth.

 

[Rational Poster]

thats why kiev comedian is begging for soviet era weapons?

<Oku02>

I mean he seems to be begging for all weapons, Soviet weapons just make sense because they have the internal specialists to deal with maintenance and they have literally more captured munitions than have ever been captured on a battlefield from the Kharkiv and Kherson breakthroughs.

 

[grimballer]

I mean he seems to be begging for all weapons, Soviet weapons just make sense because they have the internal specialists to deal with maintenance and they have literally more captured munitions than have ever been captured on a battlefield from the Kharkiv and Kherson breakthroughs.

all the weapons and nato support and cant reach 1st line of defence...