International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[Rod1]

Maybe a fake failed coup to discourage any real coup attempts from gaining traction? I dunno. It makes Putin look weak but I've been wondering why he didn't rein in Prigozhin months ago. Many people have gotten a dose of poison tea for far less than what Prigozhin has done. Can FSB not touch him? Or is this something else.

Prigo doesn't seems to target Putin directly, he blames Shoigu.

Igor Girkin on the other hand he does throws shit at Putin and is still alive.

Girkin says things like "Putin is going to lose" then says "Prigo is a traitor, how dare he criticize the war".

Seems to me like they are just voices for more powerful people.

 

[Badr Hari]

Here's what Girkin says about the situation:

It means like this:
1) The Wagner mutiny began clearly prematurely. The front is not broken, ukry do not win. In this situation, rebellion means "stab in the back" and the army will not support it.
2) The prematurity of the rebellion (which was clearly planned in advance) is caused by a simple fact: in the near future, Prigozhin would certainly be deprived of the main part of his troops - to maintain even a 30,000th military group at his own expense, without the support of the state (read - funds and materials from the Moscow Region RF) - he definitely could not have been for more than a couple of months (and even then - hardly);
3) At the moment there are no videos, etc. evidence of the active actions of the "Wagners". There is information that their forces in the rear training camps did not know anything at all and were not ready to act. With a high probability - only a part of the units concentrated in the Lugansk region takes part in the rebellion.
4) "Campaign to Moscow" for "Wagner" is extremely difficult - most of the tanks simply will not reach Moscow on their own, it is generally useless to drag artillery to Moscow, and attacking in light armored vehicles means risking defeat along the road, which is generally "easier than easy ". Everything rests solely on the presence of loyal units ready to fulfill the order and open fire to kill ("Akhmat" may well execute, for example, and not only "Akhmat")
5) If by the morning (that is, after 5-6 hours) "Wagner" does not achieve significant success (and so far no success has been heard of it) and military units do not openly go over to its side, the rebellion will drag on and every day it the final success will be more and more improbable... well, if the Kremlin doesn't screw up out of habit, of course, and start urgently "searching for compromises" and exposing Prigozhin to use the overworked nose of a well-known VIP official.

 

[muaythaidon1]

This shit crazy, Putin's gonna get knifed up the ass Gaddafi style.

 

[Badr Hari]

Girkin part 2 just posted...

And, yes, I thought that something like this would be closer to autumn, but rather already in autumn and always against the backdrop of new defeats at the front. Although in advance (more than once, who on my page for a long time - can testify) publicly assumed that Prigozhin could play a significant role in the coup or its attempt. Therefore, for me, the rebellion right now is also a bit of a surprise. The hasty withdrawal of "Wagner" from the front and Prigozhin's active struggle for "a place near Belgorod" gave me the idea that he was preparing a "march on Moscow" (from Belgorod to Moscow is definitely much closer than from Lugansk). But the competition was won by Akhmat. And, finally, Prigozhin's actions are really a stab in the back and cannot be perceived differently by me. Not to mention the fact that his possible coming to power will immediately cause:
- rebellion in Chechnya and the beginning of the 3rd Chechen campaign (inevitable);
- a very likely collapse of the front and the enemy's invasion of the Crimea, the fall of Donetsk and Lugansk;
- the beginning of the process of disintegration of the Russian Federation;
- A short, but very dirty and bloody period of the "Latin American dictatorship." Without rules and without laws - according to criminal "concepts".

 

[Badr Hari]

New audio from Prigo translated...

Yevgeny Prigozhin reported on the command of the General Staff to lift aircraft into the air to strike at the columns.

“The chief of the general staff does not calm down, the mistake of any African dictator. Deliver air strikes on residential areas, right now there are 2 aircraft in the air, numbered 523 and 546, which are trying to deliver these strikes. Remember guys, your homeland will not forgive strikes on its territory. We must show courage and strike at the territory of the enemy when our infantry moves. Therefore, speculation, when they say that we are preventing someone from fighting at the front, is speculation, we are not bothering anyone. We prevent the criminals who destroyed about 100 thousand Russian soldiers, Gerasimov and Shoigu, from saving their ass.”

 

[Rational Poster]

You have never been to Russia have you?

Why? Do angry PMCs often cross the border and threaten the MoD?

 

[Badr Hari]

A video on tele appears from firefights in Rostov. Not confirmed though.

 

[Badr Hari]

Another video shows someone striking a helicopter in Rostov from the ground.

 

[Badr Hari]

And in the meantime Rus strike in Kyiv civilian buildings again.

 

[MeatWagon06]

Shoigu has shit his silk g-string in fear.

 

[Badr Hari]

Another video shows someone striking a helicopter in Rostov from the ground.

Prigo says he shot down the helicopter lol

 

[Aegon Spengler]

So is the Wager group doing something or not?

 

[method115]

I'm nearly completely ignorant on this other than what I've learned in the past hour, so thanks. I'm starving for any info on this stuff.

We all are but it’s still to early to tell exactly how serious this is.

 

[Joe]

 

[Deleted member 585708]

"Everything is fine" - Russian bots, shills, and clowns.

This was always happening.

Russian civil war is the first sign that Russia cannot defeat a western-backed Ukraine.

I'd hope and pray that as few people lose their lives as possible, as even 1 is unnecessary, but we've seen how much Russia cares about lives.

 

[BlankaPresident]

God damn it, thats not a tank

 

[AWilder]

Let's field test this shit

 

[Deleted member 585708]

NO PROBLEM.

Russia is well in control.

Ukraine were absolutely telling the truth when they said they'd take a cheeky week off.

 

[JadeOwl]

So, you are saying Finland was part of the Soviet Union? Like Ukraine was?
Do you know the difference between a border dispute and being part of a larger union?

He is saying that Finland was a part of Russia.

We are saying that from the perspective of a nation with the Russian boot on the collective neck, there’s no meaningful difference if they were calling themselves Muscovy, Russian Empire, Soviet Union or Russian Federation at the time.

It’s still the same autocratic shit-hole it has been for the last half a millennium.

So you are invoking a distinction without a difference.

Russia is Russia.

Finland was a part of Russia until it managed to get its independence and make it stick. It has no desire to go back ever again. Ukraine was a part of Russia until it managed to get its independence and is in the process of making it stick. It has no desire to go back ever again.

What Russia happened to be calling itself at the time, and what ideology they were paying lip service to at the time, is irrelevant.

 

[Joe]