International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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[Devil's_Advocate]

Well I partially called it...but of course there's room to go higher and lower...I am sure Ukrainians are shaking in their boots having to face off with 70 year olds....

Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says



https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-raising-conscription-age-calling-001821540.html

Spoiler

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Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says

Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says
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Erin Snodgrass
Wed, August 2, 2023 at 5:18 PM PDT

A Russian conscript kisses his partner during a send-off event before they head to assigned military units for mandatory one-year military service, in St. Petersburg, Russia, Tuesday, May 23, 2023.AP Photo/Dmitri Lovetsky

• Russia has recently introduced a series of bills that expands the pool of eligible conscripts.
  
  
• The country is facing mounting manpower struggles amid its ongoing war in Ukraine.
  
  
• An expert on Russia said the government is likely trying to avoid another large-scale mobilization.
  

The Russian government passed a series of bills last month that significantly expands the pool of men eligible for military service as the country looks to address its increasing personnel problems while avoiding another full-scale mobilization.

The country is facing mounting manpower shortages amid its 17-month war in Ukraine even after President Vladimir Putin announced the mobilization of 300,000 reservists in one fell swoop last fall, prompting tens of thousands of Russian men to flee.

Now, the Russian government is looking for new ways to pad its military numbers without sparking civilian backlash or cannibalizing its own economy.

Last week, Putin signed into law legislation that raises the maximum age for male conscription from 27 to 30 years old.

One year of military service was previously required by Russian men ages 18 to 27 with conscriptions held twice a year. But starting in 2024, that call-up category will be extended by three years, significantly broadening the pool of young men who are now eligible for Russia's one year of compulsory service.

"This gives Russia more latitude on who it can pull into the fight without taking people who are producing both militarily and economically valuable products," said Simon Miles, an assistant professor at Duke University's Sanford School of Public Policy and a historian of the Soviet Union and US-Soviet relations.

The legislation also prevents conscripts from leaving Russia after they've been sent a draft notice — an apparent response to the scores of Russians who fled the country in response to last year's mobilization. A similar law passed earlier this year would impose several possible penalties on would-be draft dodgers, including a suspended driver's license and blocks on buying real estate and receiving bank loans.

"If I were Putin, I wouldn't want to do another big mobilization, because that's a really galvanizing moment to remind people that this war affects them too," Miles said.

Russian state media has sought to present the war as entirely divorced from everyday Russians' lives since the invasion in February 2022, framing the conflict as something happening "over there" in Ukraine, Miles said.

"But it's not "over there" when 200,000 people get roped into military service to go and fight this stupid and futile war," he added.

Putin has promised that conscripts won't be sent to the frontlines in Ukraine, but The New York Times reported last week that these men have been deployed to regions on Ukraine's border and could be called upon to sign wartime contracts.

The new conscription law is just one of several steps Russia has recently taken to address personnel shortages. In mid-July, the Russian Parliament also raised the maximum age that reservists who have already completed their compulsory service can be called back to fight. The highest-ranking officers now eligible for general mobilization are as old as 70.

Then, the Duma last week passed a bill that upped the fines for people who don't show up to an enlistment office after receiving a draft notice. Previous fines maxed out at 3,000 rubles, but the new legislation institutes a flat fee of 30,000 rubles, or nearly $330.

That bill also expands powers among Russian governors to oversee regional paramilitary units during periods of mobilization.

"These are solutions that create opportunities for Russia to continue [conscripting people] at a lower intensity level that doesn't generate the big news stories and the backlash," Miles said.

Russian authorities have also mobilized nearly 60,000 residents in Russian-occupied Crimea since early 2022, the Institute for the Study of War reported, citing Ukrainian intelligence, with many of those men deployed to the frontlines of the war, despite being offered assurances they would be kept away from the most brutal fighting.

The recent Russian crackdown on conscripts has managed to spark at least some discontent, with reports of civilians conducting arson attacks against registration and enlistment offices, per ISW.

"This is further evidence against Putin's proposition — which was flawed from the outset — that he can keep this war going as long as wants to and needs to," said Miles.
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[SandisLL]

Well I partially called it...but of course there's room to go higher and lower...I am sure Ukrainians are shaking in their boots having to face off with 70 year olds....

Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says



https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-raising-conscription-age-calling-001821540.html

Spoiler

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Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says

Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says
425
Erin Snodgrass
Wed, August 2, 2023 at 5:18 PM PDT

A Russian conscript kisses his partner during a send-off event before they head to assigned military units for mandatory one-year military service, in St. Petersburg, Russia, Tuesday, May 23, 2023.AP Photo/Dmitri Lovetsky

• Russia has recently introduced a series of bills that expands the pool of eligible conscripts.
  
  
• The country is facing mounting manpower struggles amid its ongoing war in Ukraine.
  
  
• An expert on Russia said the government is likely trying to avoid another large-scale mobilization.

The Russian government passed a series of bills last month that significantly expands the pool of men eligible for military service as the country looks to address its increasing personnel problems while avoiding another full-scale mobilization.

The country is facing mounting manpower shortages amid its 17-month war in Ukraine even after President Vladimir Putin announced the mobilization of 300,000 reservists in one fell swoop last fall, prompting tens of thousands of Russian men to flee.

Now, the Russian government is looking for new ways to pad its military numbers without sparking civilian backlash or cannibalizing its own economy.

Last week, Putin signed into law legislation that raises the maximum age for male conscription from 27 to 30 years old.

One year of military service was previously required by Russian men ages 18 to 27 with conscriptions held twice a year. But starting in 2024, that call-up category will be extended by three years, significantly broadening the pool of young men who are now eligible for Russia's one year of compulsory service.

"This gives Russia more latitude on who it can pull into the fight without taking people who are producing both militarily and economically valuable products," said Simon Miles, an assistant professor at Duke University's Sanford School of Public Policy and a historian of the Soviet Union and US-Soviet relations.

The legislation also prevents conscripts from leaving Russia after they've been sent a draft notice — an apparent response to the scores of Russians who fled the country in response to last year's mobilization. A similar law passed earlier this year would impose several possible penalties on would-be draft dodgers, including a suspended driver's license and blocks on buying real estate and receiving bank loans.

"If I were Putin, I wouldn't want to do another big mobilization, because that's a really galvanizing moment to remind people that this war affects them too," Miles said.

Russian state media has sought to present the war as entirely divorced from everyday Russians' lives since the invasion in February 2022, framing the conflict as something happening "over there" in Ukraine, Miles said.

"But it's not "over there" when 200,000 people get roped into military service to go and fight this stupid and futile war," he added.

Putin has promised that conscripts won't be sent to the frontlines in Ukraine, but The New York Times reported last week that these men have been deployed to regions on Ukraine's border and could be called upon to sign wartime contracts.

The new conscription law is just one of several steps Russia has recently taken to address personnel shortages. In mid-July, the Russian Parliament also raised the maximum age that reservists who have already completed their compulsory service can be called back to fight. The highest-ranking officers now eligible for general mobilization are as old as 70.

Then, the Duma last week passed a bill that upped the fines for people who don't show up to an enlistment office after receiving a draft notice. Previous fines maxed out at 3,000 rubles, but the new legislation institutes a flat fee of 30,000 rubles, or nearly $330.

That bill also expands powers among Russian governors to oversee regional paramilitary units during periods of mobilization.

"These are solutions that create opportunities for Russia to continue [conscripting people] at a lower intensity level that doesn't generate the big news stories and the backlash," Miles said.

Russian authorities have also mobilized nearly 60,000 residents in Russian-occupied Crimea since early 2022, the Institute for the Study of War reported, citing Ukrainian intelligence, with many of those men deployed to the frontlines of the war, despite being offered assurances they would be kept away from the most brutal fighting.

The recent Russian crackdown on conscripts has managed to spark at least some discontent, with reports of civilians conducting arson attacks against registration and enlistment offices, per ISW.

"This is further evidence against Putin's proposition — which was flawed from the outset — that he can keep this war going as long as wants to and needs to," said Miles.
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Actually I don't feel well with this 60-70 y.o stuff and for reason not good for Ukraine.

 

[SandisLL]

Why?
Russia does have relatively large number of highly skilled persons in age group 60-70 y.o and they might be dangerous for Ukraine.

I mean not ppl in trenches.

This age group does have relatively large number of well skilled specialists.
Since in USSR order was that you do manadatory service as conscript OR, if you are Uni student, you should mandatory recieve military training while allowed to continue as enlisted fulltime student..and will get....military rank as reserve guy. .
So on paper they might call you if you get such stuff and are...for example specialist in construction, radioelectronics, computer science, cryptography etc...

And this really isn't joke.
It isn't " drunk mobiks " level. .
Such stuff might be really usable for russia in real life not just on the paper.

A lot of old ppl are also good and competent technicians, welders, mechanics, including precision mechanic field.

 

[SandisLL]

I might tell " boring tale " about agricultural advisors stuff : widely practiced by USSR thing.
If someone is thinking about " just drunk mobiks and unskilled idiots "....

One example: guy had education like trade school + full HS program and with mando practicums. Looks that 4,5 years fulltime.
After this mando military service ....
After this... fulltime Uni program while working in weekends as part time employee.
By western criteria he get 5 years fulltime education with engineering diploma and " degree " ....
Ofc he get also next military rank due to mando training in military field.

Outcome: USSR had offered him to sign NDA and had sent guy as " agricultural advisor " to Vietnam.
Agricultural assistance to help power up and ensure power supply without interrupts to SAM batteries.
Cool game?

Repeat is on the table again?

 

[Sir Punchalot]

Actually I don't feel well with this 60-70 y.o stuff and for reason not good for Ukraine.

Well, it might not make much of a difference considering the fact that life expectancy for males in Russia is now down to 64.21 years. The only thing Russia I can see Russia accomplishing with this is slightly lower expenditures on pensions.

 

[SandisLL]

Well, it might not make much of a difference considering the fact that life expectancy for males in Russia is now down to 64.21 years. The only thing Russia I can see Russia accomplishing with this is slightly lower expenditures on pensions.

You didn't get that russia not likely will use these in dumbass.

Most likely will use specialists in some narrow fields in high demand.

I don't feel difference cos age in some fields for certain tasks where skilled persons are needed to be used and I don't mean here conscripts in trenches.

Stuff usable for military field isn't just young guy running around with gear. It was obsolete approach even in WW1 era.

 

[Sir Punchalot]

You didn't get that russia not likely will use these in dumbass.

Most likely will use specialists in some narrow fields in high demand.

I don't feel difference cos age in some fields for certain tasks where skilled persons are needed to be used and I don't mean here conscripts in trenches.

Stuff usable for military field isn't just young guy running around with gear. It was obsolete approach even in WW1 era.

Most Russian guys in their 60s are so utterly bonkers unhealthy that I doubt most of them are going to be very effective at whatever job they attempt to be doing. Unlike a lot of Sherdoggers, though, I don't really have much work experience as a field marshal or professor of war studies, so I could be wrong, obviously.

 

[USA!USA!]

Well I partially called it...but of course there's room to go higher and lower...I am sure Ukrainians are shaking in their boots having to face off with 70 year olds....

Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says



https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-raising-conscription-age-calling-001821540.html

Spoiler

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Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says

Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says
425
Erin Snodgrass
Wed, August 2, 2023 at 5:18 PM PDT

A Russian conscript kisses his partner during a send-off event before they head to assigned military units for mandatory one-year military service, in St. Petersburg, Russia, Tuesday, May 23, 2023.AP Photo/Dmitri Lovetsky

• Russia has recently introduced a series of bills that expands the pool of eligible conscripts.
  
  
• The country is facing mounting manpower struggles amid its ongoing war in Ukraine.
  
  
• An expert on Russia said the government is likely trying to avoid another large-scale mobilization.

The Russian government passed a series of bills last month that significantly expands the pool of men eligible for military service as the country looks to address its increasing personnel problems while avoiding another full-scale mobilization.

The country is facing mounting manpower shortages amid its 17-month war in Ukraine even after President Vladimir Putin announced the mobilization of 300,000 reservists in one fell swoop last fall, prompting tens of thousands of Russian men to flee.

Now, the Russian government is looking for new ways to pad its military numbers without sparking civilian backlash or cannibalizing its own economy.

Last week, Putin signed into law legislation that raises the maximum age for male conscription from 27 to 30 years old.

One year of military service was previously required by Russian men ages 18 to 27 with conscriptions held twice a year. But starting in 2024, that call-up category will be extended by three years, significantly broadening the pool of young men who are now eligible for Russia's one year of compulsory service.

"This gives Russia more latitude on who it can pull into the fight without taking people who are producing both militarily and economically valuable products," said Simon Miles, an assistant professor at Duke University's Sanford School of Public Policy and a historian of the Soviet Union and US-Soviet relations.

The legislation also prevents conscripts from leaving Russia after they've been sent a draft notice — an apparent response to the scores of Russians who fled the country in response to last year's mobilization. A similar law passed earlier this year would impose several possible penalties on would-be draft dodgers, including a suspended driver's license and blocks on buying real estate and receiving bank loans.

"If I were Putin, I wouldn't want to do another big mobilization, because that's a really galvanizing moment to remind people that this war affects them too," Miles said.

Russian state media has sought to present the war as entirely divorced from everyday Russians' lives since the invasion in February 2022, framing the conflict as something happening "over there" in Ukraine, Miles said.

"But it's not "over there" when 200,000 people get roped into military service to go and fight this stupid and futile war," he added.

Putin has promised that conscripts won't be sent to the frontlines in Ukraine, but The New York Times reported last week that these men have been deployed to regions on Ukraine's border and could be called upon to sign wartime contracts.

The new conscription law is just one of several steps Russia has recently taken to address personnel shortages. In mid-July, the Russian Parliament also raised the maximum age that reservists who have already completed their compulsory service can be called back to fight. The highest-ranking officers now eligible for general mobilization are as old as 70.

Then, the Duma last week passed a bill that upped the fines for people who don't show up to an enlistment office after receiving a draft notice. Previous fines maxed out at 3,000 rubles, but the new legislation institutes a flat fee of 30,000 rubles, or nearly $330.

That bill also expands powers among Russian governors to oversee regional paramilitary units during periods of mobilization.

"These are solutions that create opportunities for Russia to continue [conscripting people] at a lower intensity level that doesn't generate the big news stories and the backlash," Miles said.

Russian authorities have also mobilized nearly 60,000 residents in Russian-occupied Crimea since early 2022, the Institute for the Study of War reported, citing Ukrainian intelligence, with many of those men deployed to the frontlines of the war, despite being offered assurances they would be kept away from the most brutal fighting.

The recent Russian crackdown on conscripts has managed to spark at least some discontent, with reports of civilians conducting arson attacks against registration and enlistment offices, per ISW.

"This is further evidence against Putin's proposition — which was flawed from the outset — that he can keep this war going as long as wants to and needs to," said Miles.
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Everything going just as we planned it.. nothing to worry about.. like at all.. everything is great! We have them right where they want them. We just need to increase our pool of soldiers by increasing conscription by 3 years and pulling in 70 year olds.

 

[SandisLL]

Most Russian guys in their 60s are so utterly bonkers unhealthy that I doubt most of them are going to be very effective at whatever job they attempt to be doing. Unlike a lot of Sherdoggers, though, I don't really have much work experience as a field marshal or professor of war studies, so I could be wrong, obviously.

Not all russians are like these Putinoids.
For example 80+ y.o master Igor is teaching some teens and he is legit PhD in sport science with degree recogi
nised in U.S and EU.
Imagine, he doesn't talk about politics and might train some teens from street for free.
Ofc adults are different world and he is too old to supervise hard sparrings.

Ppl are different.
While in genral yeah, they are violent and disrespectful criminal and cocky liars type bullies like with mentality from 1400-1500 th with add in form of well financed and taylored propaganda etc.

 

[SandisLL]

Money portions for this month.

Looks that Dombrovskis most likely will sign next money injection portion 1,5b EUR for this month while there will be adivse to implement AML measures in depth and to conduct audit about usage of loans and grants & support payments.
/This 1,5 b EUR monthly stuff is so called macro financial assistance from EU, just one from forms how financial support to Ukr is provided./

Latvia didn't had yet signed warrant letters for IMF, WB, EBRD and EIB loans in behalf for urkaine in order to get NEXT money portions.
While if about EU /EC centralised support or weapons supplies they doesn't make problems.
Weapons supplies usually are signed in 1 minute.

 

[Nameless King]

You probably wondering when FINALLY citizens of Russia will decide they had enough and take it onto the streets. Doing to Putin what they did with Mussolini.

The answer is never.

 

[SandisLL]

We tomorrow will have little fun if warrant letters will be pushed 3 rd time for parliament to vote.
IF they will do this and still will fail ..then next opportunity will be ....referendum and if there proposal will fail it will be possible to change only with next referendum + positive voting in parliament....

Stuff is about 2 warrant letters for loans to Ukr....
Cos we need to warrant part of these loans in the name of our state treasury and taxpayers. Like if Ukr will default we will pay some % from these loans...together with interest rate.

We already today had reduced supposed warrant ammount for one loan and will not talk about any possible warrants for IMF.
Stuff will be about EBRD and WB warrant letters....

 

[SandisLL]

You probably wondering when FINALLY citizens of Russia will decide they had enough and take it onto the streets. Doing to Putin what they did with Mussolini.

The answer is never.

Why not?
When they bought society till vodka, soap and cigarettes + sugar stamps they with their hands had dissolved paradise with money printing machine called USSR. Idolised by lazy ppl in cubicles....

If you had to spent hours in order to wait your turn to pay money for this after provided " stamp " as right to purchase for money....
Then you definitely will have sense of reality.
Plus cool underground economy in giant scale.
Ofc west = responsible.

 

[Strychnine]

What happens to Russian troops and Crimea if/when Ukraine gets ATACAMS?

 

[AWilder]

What happens to Russian troops and Crimea if/when Ukraine gets ATACAMS?

 

[Strychnine]

NATO supports the passage of the Russian blockade in the Black Sea

"According to a media report, three civilian freighters broke the Russian blockade in the Black Sea after Russia cancelled the grain agreement.

According to the U.S. business magazine “Forbes”, the ships from Israel, Greece and under the Turkish-Georgian flag were accompanied by several NATO aircraft on their journey to a Ukrainian grain port in the Danube delta, as the German news platform n-tv.de reported.

Recently, Russia has announced to withdraw from the agreement on the export of Ukrainian grain after a little over a year as the German news website ZDF announced. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russia would resume compliance with the agreement as soon as its demands were met.

The July 22, 2022 agreement, which has already been extended twice, was meant to ensure the safe passage of grain-laden ships from three Black Sea ports in Ukraine through the Bosphorus despite Russia’s war of aggression. The ships sail along a corridor 310 nautical miles long and three nautical miles wide. Last year, nearly 33 million tons of grain were exported from Ukrainian ports in this way."

NATO supports the passage of the Russian blockade in the Black Sea (msn.com)

 

[PEB]

So Nigeria was overthrown an the military was chanting Putin name as the freely elected President was put in jail. The French apparently really f this up. Sounds familiar an soon another failure.


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Niger coup leader defiant as Nigeria cuts power, ECOWAS mulls action
General Abdourahamane Tchiani intensifies standoff with ECOWAS, rejects any interference in Niger’s internal affairs.

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Niger’s coup leader has declared that he will not bow down to pressure to reinstate deposed President Mohamed Bazoum, criticising sanctions imposed by West African leaders as “illegal” and “inhumane” and urging his countrymen to get ready to defend their nation.

General Abdourahamane Tchiani‘s comments, issued in a televised address on Wednesday, came as the defence chiefs of the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) met in neighbouring Nigeria to discuss the crisis in Niger.

The regional bloc has imposed severe economic sanctions on Niger and threatened to use force if Bazoum’s presidency is not restored by August 6. It has also dispatched a delegation to Niger – headed by former Nigerian leader Abdulsalami Abubakar – to negotiate with the soldiers who seized power

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...-as-nigeria-cuts-power-ecowas-threatens-force

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Well I partially called it...but of course there's room to go higher and lower...I am sure Ukrainians are shaking in their boots having to face off with 70 year olds....

Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says



https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-raising-conscription-age-calling-001821540.html

Expectation:

Reality:

 

[PBAC]

Russians have taken to social media to say Ukrainian drone strikes in Moscow give them anxiety