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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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wow it didnt shit.....


how the fuck do you not deploy AA or mobile AA assets to provide security for 200-400 troops?


Lancets have reasonably weak HEAT warhead with non existant fragmentation. I quess that is the price to pay for keeping the size down.




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VDV used Zerg rush tactics.


Here I am celebrating the paratroopers day with rest of the unit, they are just off frame laughing and alive too.

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What's with the media constantly downplaying Ukrainians progress yes it is slow but Russia spent an absolute F ton putting up mine fields and barriers to limit Ukrainian progress. Top it off there is more rain then usual this season making the ground harder to pass.
 
What's with the media constantly downplaying Ukrainians progress yes it is slow but Russia spent an absolute F ton putting up mine fields and barriers to limit Ukrainian progress. Top it off there is more rain then usual this season making the ground harder to pass.
The mob does not care about how battles are fought, the mob only wants to hear about victories .
 
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Why?
Russia does have relatively large number of highly skilled persons in age group 60-70 y.o and they might be dangerous for Ukraine.

I mean not ppl in trenches.

This age group does have relatively large number of well skilled specialists.
Since in USSR order was that you do manadatory service :( as conscript :(:(:( OR, if you are Uni student, you should mandatory recieve military training while allowed to continue as enlisted fulltime student..and will get....military rank as reserve guy. ;).
So on paper they might call you if you get such stuff and are...for example specialist in construction, radioelectronics, computer science, cryptography etc...

And this really isn't joke.
It isn't " drunk mobiks " level. :(.
Such stuff might be really usable for russia in real life not just on the paper.

A lot of old ppl are also good and competent technicians, welders, mechanics, including precision mechanic field:(.

Before getting worked up about Russian old men fighting in Ukraine...check the life expectancy....it has been going down from an already low of 67-68 down to 64. Also these people are not on average in great health up to the day they die.

life-expectancy-at-birth-in-russia-by-gender.jpg


https://www.statista.com/statistics/971100/life-expectancy-at-birth-in-russia-by-gender/
 
Most Russian guys in their 60s are so utterly bonkers unhealthy that I doubt most of them are going to be very effective at whatever job they attempt to be doing. Unlike a lot of Sherdoggers, though, I don't really have much work experience as a field marshal or professor of war studies, so I could be wrong, obviously.
Well, to judge effectivity with age you more need to have real life experience not to be tenured professor or super high rank military specialist.

Precision mechanics technician.
I have doubts that you will care will be your mechanical watch or microscope repaired by 26 y.o or 66 y.o specialist. IF it will work after repair.
Etc...
Not all russians are degenerates or aren't able to work when they are 70 y.o.

In general yeah, majority of males are in coffins before reached pension age and such trend was even before 2022 th....
 
What's with the media constantly downplaying Ukrainians progress yes it is slow but Russia spent an absolute F ton putting up mine fields and barriers to limit Ukrainian progress. Top it off there is more rain then usual this season making the ground harder to pass.
Mind you, the same thing happened with the Kherson campaign.
People called it an utter failure untill it wasn't.
That beeing said, the offensive so far still has a long way to go before it can be considered close to a succes.
They tried to Blitzkrieg/Thunderrun the defenses the first week of the offensive, turned out pretty quickly, that wasn't going to work against an enemy that has been preparing for that scenario for 6 months+.
Add in the lack of airsupport and thats a nightmare.
They've since switched to more of an attrition style warfare that seems atleast somewhat succesful (look at the numbers of RU artillery they've been taken out, relative to tanks/armor), but it'll take more time before to get a big result.

And something people also seem to misinterpret is that the last defensive line is the "main" one.
That's most likely far from the truth, the last line is exactly that, the final line of defense, it's likely that the first lines would be considerably harder to breach.

The most important thing for now is to keep supplying them with what they need.
The US cluster munition stockpile is going to be huge help in this regard.
 
Well I partially called it...but of course there's room to go higher and lower...I am sure Ukrainians are shaking in their boots having to face off with 70 year olds....

Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says



https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-raising-conscription-age-calling-001821540.html

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Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says

Russia is raising its conscription age and calling up 70-year-olds in an effort to avoid another large-scale mobilization that could spark backlash, expert says
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A Russian conscript kisses his partner during a send-off event before they head to assigned military units for mandatory one-year military service, in St. Petersburg, Russia, Tuesday, May 23, 2023.AP Photo/Dmitri Lovetsky
  • Russia has recently introduced a series of bills that expands the pool of eligible conscripts.

  • The country is facing mounting manpower struggles amid its ongoing war in Ukraine.

  • An expert on Russia said the government is likely trying to avoid another large-scale mobilization.
The Russian government passed a series of bills last month that significantly expands the pool of men eligible for military service as the country looks to address its increasing personnel problems while avoiding another full-scale mobilization.

The country is facing mounting manpower shortages amid its 17-month war in Ukraine even after President Vladimir Putin announced the mobilization of 300,000 reservists in one fell swoop last fall, prompting tens of thousands of Russian men to flee.

Now, the Russian government is looking for new ways to pad its military numbers without sparking civilian backlash or cannibalizing its own economy.

Last week, Putin signed into law legislation that raises the maximum age for male conscription from 27 to 30 years old.

One year of military service was previously required by Russian men ages 18 to 27 with conscriptions held twice a year. But starting in 2024, that call-up category will be extended by three years, significantly broadening the pool of young men who are now eligible for Russia's one year of compulsory service.

"This gives Russia more latitude on who it can pull into the fight without taking people who are producing both militarily and economically valuable products," said Simon Miles, an assistant professor at Duke University's Sanford School of Public Policy and a historian of the Soviet Union and US-Soviet relations.

The legislation also prevents conscripts from leaving Russia after they've been sent a draft notice — an apparent response to the scores of Russians who fled the country in response to last year's mobilization. A similar law passed earlier this year would impose several possible penalties on would-be draft dodgers, including a suspended driver's license and blocks on buying real estate and receiving bank loans.

"If I were Putin, I wouldn't want to do another big mobilization, because that's a really galvanizing moment to remind people that this war affects them too," Miles said.

Russian state media has sought to present the war as entirely divorced from everyday Russians' lives since the invasion in February 2022, framing the conflict as something happening "over there" in Ukraine, Miles said.

"But it's not "over there" when 200,000 people get roped into military service to go and fight this stupid and futile war," he added.

Putin has promised that conscripts won't be sent to the frontlines in Ukraine, but The New York Times reported last week that these men have been deployed to regions on Ukraine's border and could be called upon to sign wartime contracts.

The new conscription law is just one of several steps Russia has recently taken to address personnel shortages. In mid-July, the Russian Parliament also raised the maximum age that reservists who have already completed their compulsory service can be called back to fight. The highest-ranking officers now eligible for general mobilization are as old as 70.

Then, the Duma last week passed a bill that upped the fines for people who don't show up to an enlistment office after receiving a draft notice. Previous fines maxed out at 3,000 rubles, but the new legislation institutes a flat fee of 30,000 rubles, or nearly $330.

That bill also expands powers among Russian governors to oversee regional paramilitary units during periods of mobilization.

"These are solutions that create opportunities for Russia to continue [conscripting people] at a lower intensity level that doesn't generate the big news stories and the backlash," Miles said.

Russian authorities have also mobilized nearly 60,000 residents in Russian-occupied Crimea since early 2022, the Institute for the Study of War reported, citing Ukrainian intelligence, with many of those men deployed to the frontlines of the war, despite being offered assurances they would be kept away from the most brutal fighting.

The recent Russian crackdown on conscripts has managed to spark at least some discontent, with reports of civilians conducting arson attacks against registration and enlistment offices, per ISW.

"This is further evidence against Putin's proposition — which was flawed from the outset — that he can keep this war going as long as wants to and needs to," said Miles.
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I love how they say "spark backlash" as if Russian leadership gave a fuck about it, the Russian population has a slave mentality with no will to resist.

They don't want to do mass mobilitization because their economy is already on the shitter, taking more working age men from it would only lead to a faster collapse of their society.
 
Before getting worked up about Russian old men fighting in Ukraine...check the life expectancy....it has been going down from an already low of 67-68 down to 64. Also these people are not on average in great health up to the day they die.

life-expectancy-at-birth-in-russia-by-gender.jpg


https://www.statista.com/statistics/971100/life-expectancy-at-birth-in-russia-by-gender/
This too is reality.

While I don't think that they will sent old pensioners to Ukraine.

For example to repair drones etc and manufacture weapons, ammo, to work in comp sci etc, to repair production equipment and tools, etc....
Why not.

Some old ppl are still usable, most likely also in russia.
Old = useless is a bit exaggregated stuff.
My uncle when was 74 y.o still had paychecks because was able to repair production equipment...uncle old and with health problems, they anyway had called and offered gigs despite he insited that he is old and ill.
 
I might tell " boring tale " about agricultural advisors stuff : widely practiced by USSR thing.
Yeah.
If someone is thinking about " just drunk mobiks and unskilled idiots ".
One example: guy had education like trade school + full HS program and with mando practicums. Looks that 4,5 years fulltime.
After this mando military service ....
After this... fulltime Uni program while working in weekends as part time employee.
By western criteria he get 5 years fulltime education with engineering diploma and " degree " ....
Ofc he get also next military rank due to mando training in military field.
Outcome: USSR had offered him to sign NDA and had sent guy as " agricultural advisor " to Vietnam.:(
Agricultural assistance to help power up and ensure power supply without interrupts to SAM batteries:(;):(.
Cool game?
Again, what does this have to do with this thread?
 
Not all russians are like these Putinoids.
For example 80+ y.o master Igor is teaching some teens and he is legit PhD in sport science with degree recogi
nised in U.S and EU.
Imagine, he doesn't talk about politics and might train some teens from street for free.
Ofc adults are different world and he is too old to supervise hard sparrings.
Why not?
When they bought society till vodka, soap and cigarettes + sugar stamps they with their hands had dissolved paradise with money printing machine called USSR. Idolised by lazy ppl in cubicles....
If you had to spent hours in order to wait your turn to pay money for this after provided " stamp " as right to purchase for money....
Then you definitely will have sense of reality.
Plus cool underground economy in giant scale.
Ofc west = responsible.
Again, what does this have to do with this thread?
 
Mind you, the same thing happened with the Kherson campaign.
People called it an utter failure untill it wasn't.
That beeing said, the offensive so far still has a long way to go before it can be considered close to a succes.
They tried to Blitzkrieg/Thunderrun the defenses the first week of the offensive, turned out pretty quickly, that wasn't going to work against an enemy that has been preparing for that scenario for 6 months+.
Add in the lack of airsupport and thats a nightmare.
They've since switched to more of an attrition style warfare that seems atleast somewhat succesful (look at the numbers of RU artillery they've been taken out, relative to tanks/armor), but it'll take more time before to get a big result.

And something people also seem to misinterpret is that the last defensive line is the "main" one.
That's most likely far from the truth, the last line is exactly that, the final line of defense, it's likely that the first lines would be considerably harder to breach.

The most important thing for now is to keep supplying them with what they need.
The US cluster munition stockpile is going to be huge help in this regard.
Yes.
When russia will launch large scale offensive cluster ammo will help hold them back.

Some european countries does have relatively large stockpiles of cluster ammo produced in Cold War Era while manufacturers aren't willing to sign re export permits.

Germany refused to sign re export permits and it is rumoured that they " under the table " are pressuring micron not to sign such permits.

It is rumoured also that Germany again had refused to provide their old cruise missiles to Ukr.
It long ago was clear and wasn't secret that Germany is lurking for next secret Molotov - Ribentropp pact under the table with secret protocols. Cos they love russia. Always will attempt to negotiate with russia under the table with secret deals.
 
It is epic and France & U.K maybe should prepere shelters and refugees camps.
When shit will start up population from Germany will run quickly and when will sit in shelters, will call comrade Putin and cry.
 
When russia will launch large scale offensive cluster ammo will help hold them back.
No, it won't. Cluster munitions blast radius is nowhere near a tank mine blast. More like a hand grenade blast.
What large scale Russian offensive would that be? They are barely holding on to their defensive lines.
Maybe you mean the one that will come after the Ukrainian Army has spent all its soldiers trying to destroy the Russian dug in defensive positions.
 
Vilnius NATO summit.
LOL, we should provided SHORAD and VSHORAD solutions.
Because these idiots had sent autocannons batch to Ukr.

Germany had tackled at least one SAM battery and we easily might see ALL launchers and where they are located....

U.S? They tackled in SAM battery and after delivery it wasn't possible to spot where launchers are located.....

While I can't tell that they ( Germany ) doesn't have normal airforce or navy.
Ground forces are :(:(:( and this is reality.
 
No, it won't. Cluster munitions blast radius is nowhere near a tank mine blast. More like a hand grenade blast.
What large scale Russian offensive would that be? They are barely holding on to their defensive lines.
Maybe you mean the one that will come after the Ukrainian Army has spent all its soldiers trying to destroy the Russian dug in defensive positions.
Doubt he's tslking about the "blast radius" might be refering to the effectiveness of cluster munitions, some numbers at 41:30:
 
No, it won't. Cluster munitions blast radius is nowhere near a tank mine blast. More like a hand grenade blast.
What large scale Russian offensive would that be? They are barely holding on to their defensive lines.
Maybe you mean the one that will come after the Ukrainian Army has spent all its soldiers trying to destroy the Russian dug in defensive positions.

Spent all it's soldiers is russian propaganda. According to this bullshit all Ukr government long ago should had fled and all military should had been destroyed multiple times.
I forget that russia on paper had destroyed more ukr tanks than ukr kleptocracy even had on paper etc beauties.

Blast radius depends from type of cluster ammo.
Some from these submunitions really are like hand grenade.
Some are larger and easily might seriously damage stuff like BTR or BMP not only humans running around.
 
The main problem for Ukr pressure is that russia had damn a lot of time to install minefields and fortifications, observation posts, bunkers and to deliver a lot of weapons and ammo close to frontline.

Then, when ukr are reaching minefields they are calling artillery and MRLS stuff ....
Basically this.

Additionally ofc drones and helicopters are mentioned....

While main problem still is mines to stop or at least slow down and then lay artillery and MRLS fire on top ....

Then Ukr ofc are pulling back and will repeat later...
 
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No, it won't. Cluster munitions blast radius is nowhere near a tank mine blast. More like a hand grenade blast.
What large scale Russian offensive would that be? They are barely holding on to their defensive lines.
Maybe you mean the one that will come after the Ukrainian Army has spent all its soldiers trying to destroy the Russian dug in defensive positions.

When Ukr offensive is done with or without success at all it is expected Rus to counter punch. But don't worry about Ukr soldiers so much, Ukr isn't run by Prigozhin. No doubt they have made wrong decisions based on political calculations in some battles, but most of the time throughout this war they have fought a smart fight. Pushed Rus for quite some time in a quite large territory despite being outsized in aviation and artillery from day one to right now. Btw Ukr have a numerical advantage in infantry right now if you are bothered they are shrinking soon. (only real advantage they've had in this war tbh, and drones of course)
 
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