International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[Deleted member 585708]

Well the answer seems kind of obvious when we see how billions are always spent on useless foreign policy projects that will do nothing for the average American. How much was wasted in Afghanistan and Iraq? The same sentiment was used against the spending in those wars so Ukraine is just more of that wasteful spending.

You already spend nearly $500 billion a year on interest, which is the definition of wasted money.

You don't even get a hint of national security on the back of that.

You've sent around $75 billion (right?) to Ukraine.

You get a lot more bang for your buck from that, believe me.

 

[SandisLL]

From what i understand (anyone feel free to correct me, might be wrong on this) the Russian surface fleet is staying far away from Ukraine since the Moskva got sunk, basicly staying in Crimean ports.
Still, their subs should be more than able to strike the grain ships without risk.
Something tells it'll happen in the coming weeks (if there's no new deal) aswell.

They might use naval mines.

They already told that some mines are floating in Black Sea and had blamed Ukr as responsible....

+ there also is huge advantage to use naval mines because both Ukr and Russia does have USSR type naval mines models and obiviously also strockpile produced in USSR era....
Therefore it might be difficult to prove who is responsible.

 

[SandisLL]

You are projecting your worries onto the U.S. Reality check: The U.S. is not worried about anything that has to do with UKR. Probably half the population don’t know there is a war there.

Those who are paying attention are stunned by Putin’s inability to take Kiev. If the U.S. was actually worried, we could easily ramp up production 5 fold or more and commit troops.

We don’t have a social safety net, state sponsored healthcare, or humane policies on childcare or taking care of the elderly. What the U.S. has is guns, planes and tanks and the capacity to move to a war economy. No. The U.S. is not worried. See the Barbie ticket sales.

I see how you are projecting your opinions as reality.....
Ofc not likely someone is worried about this Ukraine.

Stuff is more complex than you portray it here and politicians does know this.
" to create new world order " and this Ukraine is peace of cake in big cake they are attempting to make.

• yes, U.S is worried and a lot.
● Looks that they better will pref Putin to remain in power....for obivious reasons he is considered as more predictable than ppl who migh replace him.
○ Yeah, they are worried about reality: attempts to create new world order just had been started.

Mainstream media customers usually are short term thinking.

Conglomerate Belarus+Russia+Iran+North Korea isn't fun for U.S.

 

[Fergelmince]

Let's triple it.

heLL, why wait for your money to filter through the IRS...

give it to spicoli, he knows how to distribute it

 

[SandisLL]

Since I dont live in an imaginary world I will disagree with you. The world cannot sustain itself with never ending handouts....although things are trending that way.

Will sustain. It is nothing new, ppl just forget about % of GDP spendings on military during Cold War. Then the same europe didn't had reccomended minimum and still countries usually had >3% of GDP for military stuff.

SK and Japan now ofc not likely with pleasure and fun, still will increase military budgets again. They just have no choice .....

 

[GhostZ06]

wow it didnt shit.....


how the fuck do you not deploy AA or mobile AA assets to provide security for 200-400 troops?

 

[Strychnine]

From what i understand (anyone feel free to correct me, might be wrong on this) the Russian surface fleet is staying far away from Ukraine since the Moskva got sunk, basicly staying in Crimean ports.
Still, their subs should be more than able to strike the grain ships without risk.
Something tells it'll happen in the coming weeks (if there's no new deal) aswell.

I really hope the Russians don't torpedo a civilian ship.

 

[MeatWagon06]

New mine clearing vehicle officially certified. This thing is a fookin’ beast!!

https://hydrema-defence.com/products/mcv/mine-clearing-vehicle/the-910mcv

https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-made-demining-machine-officially-certified-2/

 

[San Marino]

I propose Russia does the same as America and leaves Ukraine then.

Yes.

 

[UFCUCF]

Since I dont live in an imaginary world I will disagree with you. The world cannot sustain itself with never ending handouts....although things are trending that way.

The biggest handout is by far the military in the US. I’m not advocating endless handouts. I just note the social programs in the US get a fraction of the spending.

 

[SandisLL]

Btw I don't think that in these reports are included all sums Ukraine had get.
1. Looks that issued loans aren't listed ( counted )....
2. Charities and individual donations aren't counted....

Plus additonally reality is that expenses on refugees countries had to bear aren't counted because " on paper " it isn't assitance delivered to Ukr.
Healthcare for wounded ukr if done not in Ukr isn't counted in ...
Etc.

Donated generators etc if donated by charities and individual businesses aren't counted unlike assistance administrated by central governments.

# a lot of countries doesn't include in reports assistance provided from municipalities funds....

# donated by ordinary citizens and charities civil items often aren't valued in money form....
There's stuff from pillows and blankets till generators and jeeps, trucks etc.

 

[San Marino]

Stuff is more complex than you portray it here and politicians does know this.

More complex how?

 

[San Marino]

spinmarino now really is working with public here like paid russian MoEf employee.

How exactly is that? I'm posting current information from the ISW. Is the ISW being influenced by Russia?

 

[PEB]

I really hope the Russians don't torpedo a civilian ship.

I believe Ukraine could possibly have their hands on a submarine drone? They do not want to show their hands yet.

 

[San Marino]

I believe Ukraine could possibly have their hands on a submarine drone? They do not want to show their hands yet.

Even if Ukraine did have a regular submarine or destroyers, what difference would that make in this conflict? This conflict will be won or lost on land, not on water.

 

[Strychnine]

I believe Ukraine could possibly have their hands on a submarine drone? They do not want to show their hands yet.

That'd be bonkers amazing.

 

[SandisLL]

The biggest handout is by far the military in the US. I’m not advocating endless handouts. I just note the social programs in the US get a fraction of the spending.

Well, U.S mainly is giving not new stuff but stuff already scheduled to be replaced.
Obiviously also nothing super secret.

Social programs are good thing, like free education in Uni, stipends etc.
However at least in europe it is accompanied with " nice " tax on everything, " cool " VAT% etc beauties.

Additionally at least for locals you need to " earn " rights to get " normal " unemployment benefits etc.
It isn't charity.

Local should initially to prove ...that he is eliglible ....
Refugees no, they are getting housing and food immediately.

 

[San Marino]

Social programs are good thing, like free education in Uni, stipends etc.
However at least in europe it is accompanied with " nice " tax on everything, " cool " VAT% etc beauties.

Additionally at least for locals you need to " earn " rights to get " normal " unemployment benefits etc.
It isn't charity.

Local should initially to prove ...that he is eliglible ....
Refugees no, they are getting housing and food immediately.

What does this have to do with this thread?

 

[SandisLL]

It is suspected that most likely Lukashenko will order quickly built factory to manufacture Iranian drones ....or might order to use some existing industrial infrastructure in order to get factory work really quickly.

Iranian drones now aren't used from Belarus to strike Ukr and still irianian specialists are visiting Belarus more and more often.

 

[Strychnine]

VDV used Zerg rush tactics.