International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[AWilder]

I've heard some senior analysts in Washington mention this: Ukraine can't do combined arms like a Western country (and to be fair, how many Western countries have shown themselves capable of doing so on a large scale? It's a list of 1 nation) and, anyway, don't have the air superiority that the U.S. would count on to make such a scenario work.

Ukraine is a USSR successor military at heart; they are good at artillery warfare, but (as you say) have also proven themselves to be flexible and creative on the battlefield. Let's listen to what they think they need and what kind of fight they think can get them the win. Not uncritically, but with an open mind. It's honestly heartening to hear people in Washington saying this, and I'm pretty sure some people in the administration hear them.

It's kind of funny that the NATO guys thought they had the winning strategy for defeating Russia instead of the Ukrainians who have been fighting Russia since 2014.

 

[SandisLL]

It's kind of funny that the NATO guys thought they had the winning strategy for defeating Russia instead of the Ukrainians who have been fighting Russia since 2014.

I don't think that NATO even had bothered to get win for ukr. This first reality.
They didn't had supplied any heavy weapons before 24.02.2022 and this alone is opposite reality vs claims financed by russian taxpayers.

NATO if wished might had provided at least ATACMS, GDLSB etc since day of 1.
Nope.
Not alone to talk about reality: west and east will do all the best to ensure that Putin will not loss and will not in reality win.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia is reported that had been conducted consistent policy to use carrot and stick tactique and all kind of threats to press ppl in occupied areas to apply for russian citizenship.

Next liberators gifts: russia is forcibly mobilizing men from occupied areas.

Nothing wrong, U.N is chinesse and russian puppet waste of taxpayers money org.
BTW prowed during decades that their sanctions etc bullshit is to waste our time and money. North Korea and Iran are laughing together with Russia and Belarus.
Why not, it is reality.

 

[syct23]

The biggest mistake NATO is making right now is trying to force Ukraine to fight according to their military dogma.

Ukrainians have proven incredibly smart, flexible, cunning, etc. Either give Ukraine what it needs or let it do what it does with what limited weapons you give it. I am sure Ukraine would have a different plan with 100 F35s or F16s and long range artillery that could hit every part of Ukraine and Russia.

This war is also showing the s in NATOs armor as well. NATOs Military Dogma is fed by the almighty Election Cycle.

Ukraine way of waging war against Russia works better then the western alternative. But it takes time, and that is something most western nato partners do not have. In this situation the west needs results asap in order to convince the other incoming administration to keep supporting Ukraine.

 

[SandisLL]

It's kind of funny that the NATO guys thought they had the winning strategy for defeating Russia instead of the Ukrainians who have been fighting Russia since 2014.

They didn't had gave them tools according to NATO doctrine, this at first.
Not enough number of artillery, MRLS and ammunition for these and even this supplied with delays.
Small number of tanks, despite old models, still supplied with delays.
0 ATACMS etc stuff...
Bla bla bla further here.

 

[SandisLL]

This war is also showing the s in NATOs armor as well. NATOs Military Dogma is fed by the almighty Election Cycle.

Ukraine way of waging war against Russia works better then the western alternative. But it takes time, and that is something most western nato partners do not have. In this situation the west needs results asap in order to convince the other incoming administration to keep supporting Ukraine.

If there is simple mine then it will not matter will this be T 34 or Armata etc.
Main task for anti tank mine is to make tank immobile with lesser expenses.
Ofc there are different xxx models of mines....

Western european and U.S forces usually are trained with approach that they will have air superiority, while western friends doesn't supply nor helicopters nor airplanes and even are relucatnt to supply even just ATACMS etc stuff.
Ukr is scheduled to loss some % of territory in order to appease Putin, guy west fears that maybe might loss throne....
Realpolitik.

While Ukr proudly reports that they managed during 7x24 hours get 2000x1000 meters peace of land in Bakhmut area.
Sadly most likely it is call for mobile crematorium to be used here....
No joke.

Basically approx the same bloodbath like russia had xx months in row in this area.

 

[SandisLL]

2 sq km2 in 7-8 days in Bakhmut area.
Beautiful.
Btw crows and rats most likely are statisfied

 

[Rod1]

Where is NATO in that quote?

Is English your first language?

When you imply that nobody is attacking Russia it means that nobody is a threat to Russia, ergo NATO isn't a threat, thus Russia can move territorial defense units to the frontline without fear of a NATO attack.

 

[syct23]

If there is simple mine then it will not matter will this be T 34 or Armata etc.
Main task for anti tank mine is to make tank immobile with lesser expenses.
Ofc there are different xxx models of mines....

Western european and U.S forces usually are trained with approach that they will have air superiority, while western friends doesn't supply nor helicopters nor airplanes and even are relucatnt to supply even just ATACMS etc stuff.
Ukr is scheduled to loss some % of territory in order to appease Putin, guy west fears that maybe might loss throne....
Realpolitik.

While Ukr proudly reports that they managed during 7x24 hours get 2000x1000 meters peace of land in Bakhmut area.
Sadly most likely it is call for mobile crematorium to be used here....
No joke.

Basically approx the same bloodbath like russia had xx months in row in this area.

I can’t disagree with any of this…

 

[Strychnine]

i could always use a fucking tank in my backyard. need to find me a ukranian farmer.

 

[Rod1]

It's kind of funny that the NATO guys thought they had the winning strategy for defeating Russia instead of the Ukrainians who have been fighting Russia since 2014.

NATO guys probably plan their operations on the assumption that the US would give them total air superiority.

 

[San Marino]

When you imply that nobody is attacking Russia it means that nobody is a threat to Russia.

Said and implied are two different things.

 

[Rod1]

Said and implied are two different things.

No they are not.

Either Russia needs to defend its borders or it doesn't.

 

[San Marino]

You literally called terrain one of the "magic words", but are so far up your own ass that it's impossible to back down from any stupid position, let alone a monumentally stupid position.

There is nothing to 'back down' from. You did not understand what was said.
Limbo again with his stupid logic and insults.
Keep the hate going brother!

 

[San Marino]

Either Russia needs to defend its borders or it doesn't.

Quit being stupid and putting words in my mouth. The word 'NATO' was never used.

 

[San Marino]

I’ve merely insulted you, not your service.

Yes, I noticed that. Since you can't contribute to this threat you feel that insults is the way to pass the time. Once you get insulted back, you get butthurt. Funny how that works.

But yeah suggesting a massive airborne drop when Russia has air superiority is just really stupid.

Russia has air superiority? Where? All I see are Russian helicopters and airplanes being shot down by Ukraine. Where are you getting your news from? So, if Russia has air superiority and a small Ukrainian airdrop behind enemy lines would be completely squashed, that means that Russia is winning this conflict would it not? Their forces must be better prepared and are superior to Ukraine. Well, if that is the case, Ukraine is done. Finished! Why waste time making a frontal attack on an enemy that is stronger and will not move? What exactly is the Ukrainian Army plan to push Russia back East and break through those fortified defensive positions?

 

[grimballer]

those nato weapons are making a big difference...

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[Limbo Pete]

There is nothing to 'back down' from. You did not understand what was said.
Limbo again with his stupid logic and insults.
Keep the hate going brother!

Nothing you say makes any kind of sense, so if we're pointing fingers at problems with comprehension....

 

[grimballer]

russian rambo destroying nato supplies

 

[Limbo Pete]

"Heroic action"