International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[SandisLL]

True story , but do we really know if the chef is still alive? I think he may have fallen for Putlers chess game


Just read that too, kinda hard to believe those numbers.

Well, I had posted month ago that russia does have approx 1000 tanks in dumbass they yet didn't had used + that russia most likely will attempt to repel ofensive and after this launch big offensive.

So theoretically it is possible.
While we don't know how succssful might be such attempts.

Maybe Putin ordered to do offensive as quickly as it is possible.

 

[SandisLL]

Interesting info and Ukraine only has like 3 Patriot missile systems not anymore batteries.
2 batteries not 3.

 

[USA!USA!]

Haha. Try it. I used to be afraid of Russia. Not anymore. Try it. We'll nuke you cunts off the face of the earth inside 15mins. 15mins. Russia will no longer exist Fullstop.

No one wants nukes. Once they start flying, we all pay the price.

That being said, it's really in Russia's best interest to keep it to Ukraine and only Ukraine.. things will get much, much worse for them if they escalate things. They have to know that.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I’m not convinced that Russia Could even strike with ICBMs at this point

 

[Darkballs]

I do indeed.
Nothing is invincible mate, to include the US military.
You missed the point of the original post. You are going off on a tangent.
So, let us address the 'hair splitting' issue, shall we?
Western tanks are not invincible. The way people have been talking about them in this thread would make it sound so.
No, I don't believe anyone said the word, 'invincible' specifically, but it was certainly implied.
The same way people imply the that the US military is 'invincible.' It is not.
A simple minefield has stopped a western tank. Why is the minefield not breached? Oh, you have heavy obstacles blocking the way also. Can we go around it? Sure, but it may be a couple of miles before the minefield line ends.

That's some really stupid circular logic.

Of course either side getting more tanks will enhance their capability for maneuver warfare, which is what this conflict is largely driven on. Both sides have used combined armor and infantry to good effect. The Ukrainians more so. The reason tanks are just driving forward as fast as they can manage is because the Russians have mined the fuck out of their front. Ukraine knows this. Hell, everyone knows this. Why in gods name would they Zerg rush across open terrain into minefields with pre-bracketed artillery? The success has been to push forward slowly, until you can push the front back a bit, but more importantly, to hit new logistical targets and supply routes.

That's what the Russians can't stop. They can slow it down by playing the balls-out defense they've been forced to resort to. If Ukraine can keep that up, they will retake all they want. The last thing they need to do is start trying to run the gauntlet 20+ miles behind a front and losing 80% of the attacking army to achieve what they otherwise could in more time but with much less casualties.

You managed to take a really common sense tactic and turn it, somehow, into proof that russia has thwarted US/NATO tanks. And if the opposite scenario played out, and Ukraine just threw away assets in a stupid push, that would also be proof that russia thwarted US/NATO tanks. So whatever happens, russia looks good here.

Pure idiocy.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

That's some really stupid circular logic.

Of course either side getting more tanks will enhance their capability for maneuver warfare, which is what this conflict is largely driven on. Both sides have used combined armor and infantry to good effect. The Ukrainians more so. The reason tanks are just driving forward as fast as they can manage is because the Russians have mined the fuck out of their front. Ukraine knows this. Hell, everyone knows this. Why in gods name would they Zerg rush across open terrain into minefields with pre-bracketed artillery? The success has been to push forward slowly, until you can push the front back a bit, but more importantly, to hit new logistical targets and supply routes.

That's what the Russians can't stop. They can slow it down by playing the balls-out defense they've been forced to resort to. If Ukraine can keep that up, they will retake all they want. The last thing they need to do is start trying to run the gauntlet 20+ miles behind a front and losing 80% of the attacking army to achieve what they otherwise could in more time but with much less casualties.

You managed to take a really common sense tactic and turn it, somehow, into proof that russia has thwarted US/NATO tanks. And if the opposite scenario played out, and Ukraine just threw away assets in a stupid push, that would also be proof that russia thwarted US/NATO tanks. So whatever happens, russia looks good here.

Pure idiocy.

That's why we call him spinMarino....

 

[AWilder]

Haven't finished yet but this is pretty good so far

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Head of russia today wants to start blowing up bridges in london but it its nato who are the war mongers. Russia wants peace.

Do it!

Nothing could possibly go wrong!

Go ahead, Russia - don't talk, act!

 

[lsa]

I do indeed.
Nothing is invincible mate, to include the US military.
You missed the point of the original post. You are going off on a tangent.
So, let us address the 'hair splitting' issue, shall we?
Western tanks are not invincible. The way people have been talking about them in this thread would make it sound so.
No, I don't believe anyone said the word, 'invincible' specifically, but it was certainly implied.
The same way people imply the that the US military is 'invincible.' It is not.
A simple minefield has stopped a western tank. Why is the minefield not breached? Oh, you have heavy obstacles blocking the way also. Can we go around it? Sure, but it may be a couple of miles before the minefield line ends.

So nobody said what you claimed they said.
Gotcha.

 

[Joe]

 

[San Marino]

That's some really stupid circular logic.
Of course either side getting more tanks will enhance their capability for maneuver warfare, which is what this conflict is largely driven on.

Really!
That would mean Russia should be doing better than Ukraine since they have more tanks. Well, guess what? They are not.

Both sides have used combined armor and infantry to good effect. The success has been to push forward slowly, until you can push the front back a bit, but more importantly, to hit new logistical targets and supply routes.

No, actually they have not. If Russia was doing that, it would have won this conflict by now.

That's what the Russians can't stop. They can slow it down by playing the balls-out defense they've been forced to resort to. If Ukraine can keep that up, they will retake all they want. The last thing they need to do is start trying to run the gauntlet 20+ miles behind a front and losing 80% of the attacking army to achieve what they otherwise could in more time but with much less casualties.

Time does not really matter in this scenario. Ukraine is not replacing its troops. It will not push Russia back to its border and regain the original Ukrainian border of 2022.

You managed to take a really common sense tactic and turn it, somehow, into proof that russia has thwarted US/NATO tanks.

I did? Where? I never said that. You came to that conclusion all on your own. What I said was that western tanks had stopped moving forward after hitting a landmine defense. Ukrainian soldiers, Infantry, moved forward without tank support. Somehow you took that statement and turned into a completely different scenario. Pure idiocy, as you say it.

And if the opposite scenario played out, and Ukraine just threw away assets in a stupid push, that would also be proof that russia thwarted US/NATO tanks. So whatever happens, russia looks good here. Pure idiocy.

Yes, Russia would look good if it defeated a Ukrainian push forward with western tanks. How can Russia look bad in this scenario? I don't understand what you are trying to say. It seems like you are saying that even if Russia defeated western tanks, it would still be a victory for Ukraine. Here is my take on this issue. Western tanks and planes will not make a difference for Ukraine. What Ukraine needs replaced are soldiers. That, it will not get, hence it is likely to lose this conflict if it lasts much longer.

 

[San Marino]

ISW Russia/Ukraine Conflict - 17 July 2023

• Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front over the backdrop of increased Russian offensive operations along the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border on July 17.
• Russian forces conducted active offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line and have likely made marginal tactical gains in this direction.
• Russian forces continued limited ground attacks southwest and south of Kreminna, around Bakhmut, and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
• Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in the Bakhmut area and advanced near the Donetsk-Zaporizhia administrative border.
• Russian forces conducted limited counterattacks in western Donetsk Oblast.
• Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued unsuccessful ground attacks in the Orikhiv area in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russia to begin conscription in the Republic of Dagestan. Who lives there? Khabib Nurmagomedov.

 

[Cole train]

ISW Russia/Ukraine Conflict - 17 July 2023

• Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front over the backdrop of increased Russian offensive operations along the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border on July 17.
• Russian forces conducted active offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line and have likely made marginal tactical gains in this direction.
• Russian forces continued limited ground attacks southwest and south of Kreminna, around Bakhmut, and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
• Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in the Bakhmut area and advanced near the Donetsk-Zaporizhia administrative border.
• Russian forces conducted limited counterattacks in western Donetsk Oblast.
• Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued unsuccessful ground attacks in the Orikhiv area in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russia to begin conscription in the Republic of Dagestan. Who lives there? Khabib Nurmagomedov.

Dagis have been in since start, its one of most drafted areas, think number 2 or 3

 

[San Marino]

Haven't finished yet but this is pretty good so far

That was a great video.
Christ, those Russian defense fortifications are phenomenal. Obstacles, mines, and ditches, all protected by heavy artillery. I don't know how anyone can get through that. Going around it does not seem like an option since it extends for miles and are well defended at both ends of the line by natural and men made defenses. The only thing I can think of would be Airborne operations behind enemy lines at night. The Ukrainian Army does not have that. Still, Ukrainian troops would have to fight Russian attacks from the east, west, north, and south. I'm not sure what the Ukrainian plan is going to be. Curious to see what they are going to do. Ukraine could lose thousands of soldiers just trying to breach those defenses, and still fail. I don't know that this is something they should even try. Tanks cannot get through it. Period!

 

[Blayt7hh]

Nine years ago.

Fucking assholes

I would be happy to hear they got Merced by Ukrainians

 

[San Marino]

Dagis have been in since start, its one of most drafted areas, think number 2 or 3

Interesting.
This is the first I heard of it.
. Krasnoyarsk region, 5.5% mobilized.
. Sevastopol region, 4.3% mobilized.
. Buryatia Republic, 3.8% mobilized.
. Dagestan Republic, 2.6% mobilized.

 

[Cole train]

Interesting.
This is the first time I heard of it.
. Krasnoyarsk region, 5.5% mobilized.
. Sevastopol region, 4.3% mobilized.
. Buryatia Republic, 3.8% mobilized.
. Dagestan Republic, 2.6% mobilized.

I might be wrong though, it was in our news in winter

 

[San Marino]

I might be wrong though was in our news in winter.

No, you are right. I'm wrong. Dagestan has been providing troops for the conflict for a while now. I'm just now finding out.

 

[Limbo Pete]

That was a great video.
Christ, those Russian defense fortifications are phenomenal. Obstacles, mines, and ditches, all protected by heavy artillery. I don't know how anyone can get through that. Going around it does not seem like an option since it extends for miles and are well defended at both ends of the line by natural and men made defenses. The only thing I can think of would be Airborne operations behind enemy lines at night. The Ukrainian Army does not have that. Still, Ukrainian troops would have to fight Russian attacks from the east, west, north, and south. I'm not sure what the Ukrainian plan is going to be. Curious to see what they are going to do. Ukraine could lose thousands of soldiers just trying to breach those defenses, and still fail. I don't know that this is something they should even try. Tanks cannot get through it. Period!

Gonna bookmark this one for if I ever need something to induce vomiting

 

[SandisLL]

I might be wrong though, it was in our news in winter

Yup.
Plus there then weren't counted wagnerites and other merch groups...
These loved to hire in poor, remote regions.
Even in Checnya not in Grozny ( relatively wealthy city by Russian standards ) but in remote areas....
Gozny : low unemployment %, for russia's salary scale normal salaries.
Remote areas in Checnya? High unemployment % and really low salaries....
Obivious reasons easy to see why.

Imagine: if guy recently from mando service, 0 money to relocate, unemployed or very low salary: ofc will be easier to hire such guy rather than someone from St.Pete, Moscow or Grozny...