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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

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Regards reasons WHY Russia had invaded exactly in 2022 th isn't what surname might had POTUS in U.S etc bullshit excuses.

Russia assumed that they will be able quickly made Ukr government to fleed and to install a puppet in Kiev.

Why 2022 th?
Because EU/ EEZ had been seriously weakened financially cos 2 years long covid crisis and didn't jad started even normally recovered...
Therefore next miscalculation was that europe filled with refugees and threated with supplies to be cut and with nukes....will implement just some small sanctions nothing more.

Wrong.
Europe declared Russia as not trustable commodities supplier and already had pumped at least 51,1 + 5+3 b ....to help Ukr ...
This if we don't count stuff approved in last Rammshtein session;)
 
About some from real economical reasons WHY invaded I today had posted in previous posts in this thread .

About some 5 th article procedure and formal opportunities...
It doesn't works in such way ....like on paper.

The real protection mechanism in NATO is very fast....
In the same day some troops and equipment for friendly peaceful ;) exercises installed...

Btw doesn't matter that Finland isn't NATO member on paper yet.
They are eurozone country and EU member with economy larger than Ukr and Belarus together.
So high chances that friendly peaceful exercises will start after few hours...
 
Fugazy said:
I wish he gave more information on how they know how many Russians are being killed.
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I don't know his methods but one fairly reliable one has been to monitor Russian open sources, including social media (like VK and Telegram) and other intercepted messages where Russian soldiers report in their own words unit losses and Russian military units own websites where they report the deaths.

It seems like a lot of dead Russian soldiers aren't even begin taken back for proper burials and it's clear that Russia officially are massively underreporting the true number of Russians dying in Ukraine.

The Ukrainians on the other hand are not even officially releasing the number of deaths in their military but they are also being much better disciplined with controlling unintentional disclosure of those numbers by unofficials sources too.

The likelihood is we won't know the true numbers until this conflict is over and probably a good few years later.
 
aries said:
I don't know his methods but one fairly reliable one has been to monitor Russian open sources, including social media (like VK and Telegram) and other intercepted messages where Russian soldiers report in their own words unit losses and Russian military units own websites where they report the deaths.

It seems like a lot of dead Russian soldiers aren't even begin taken back for proper burials and it's clear that Russia officially are massively underreporting the true number of Russians dying in Ukraine.

The Ukrainians on the other hand are not even officially releasing the number of deaths in their military but they are also being much better disciplined with controlling unintentional disclosure of those numbers by unofficials sources too.

The likelihood is we won't know the true numbers until this conflict is over and probably a good few years later.
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One from biggest logical evidence that russia does have very huge losses is this logic chain ...:
1. Appears that to hire next batches with mercenaries and to do partial reservists mobilisation they sadly doesn't have problems..
2. Still they allowed wagner to hire guys from prisons.
It is very important evidence that losses are really huge.

Why?
Bad and crazy, Russia still had 77 years long flowchart in society :
to keep ex convicts as far from weapons as it is possible.

If you had criminal record, almost impossible to get even job as a cleaner in police etc....

Now reality is that people are released from prisons and they issue them.....automatic weapons, grenades, machine guns and mortars.
Something like this was unbelievable in january 2022 th....
 
aries said:
The likelihood is we won't know the true numbers until this conflict is over and probably a good few years later.
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I think that about Wagnerites casualities no one even Russian MoD will ever know.
They are recruiting also in somalia, syria etc holes....this.

Also not likely we will know LPR and DPR casualities ....

Example about even official military was when Gorbachev ordered to withdraw troops from Afganistan.
They told that ~15000 guys had died and ~ 50000 guys had been wounded.
Gorbachev answered : there are 4 things: truth, lies, big lies and " statistics " ( with great irony in tone ).
 
The one from methods how statistic reports delivered even to communist party might be easily manipulated was this reality:
they ofc could not hide death cases and these who had been put on disability benefits....

However disability benefits usually were paid after worker etc already had been ill 6 months in row. Before this wounded or ill ppl were on sick leave.... something like this.

So they were able easily to hide from public real number of guys who had been in hospitals etc just some month, 2, 3 or 4 months....

To reduce number of wounded in final public reports.
Especially cos in military hospitals NDA was norm for all perssonel.
 
Btw doesn't looks that things today are good for Ukr. It is rumoured that their MoD Reznikov might step down from his post and might be offered to do other duties....

Will see, will be this info truth or empty shit...
 
Also widely practiced narrative is " europe doesn't have resources ".
The same Sweden does have world's largest by size iron ore mine in the World. Also it isn't like Ukr iron ore. It is A level source for stainless sorts of steel production...
Like this.

Portugal in World War I and World War II era managed to be neutral but not cos politics. Everyone needed that cork supplies will be constant and steady and they operated then most important in world tungsten ore mines. Everyone needed that they will be operated smoothly. Now they looks that are depleted or expenses to get ore are too high....
 
Yevgeniy Prigozhin, head of Russia’s private Wagner Group says fierce fighting is taking place in Ukraine’s eastern city of Bakhmut, dismissing Russian media reports that Ukrainian forces were retreating from the city.
Bakhmut is “increasingly isolated”, the British ministry of defence says, adding that over the last week, Russian soldiers have continued to make “small advances”.
Ukrainian local officials say two Russian missiles hit the city of Kharkiv in the northeast, striking a residential building.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has revoked the citizenship of several former influential politicians in the latest step to “cleanse” Ukraine of pro-Russian influences.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/2/5/russia-ukraine-live-news-wagner-battle-for-bakhmut

Still fighting at Bakhmut. I wonder what the human toll will be by the end of this.

Bakhmut is ‘increasingly isolated’: British intelligence
The British ministry of defence says Russian forces have made, over the last week, “small advances in its attempts to encircle” Bakhmut which is now “increasingly isolated”.

In its daily bulletin, the ministry also said that two main roads into the city “are likely now both threatened by direct fire” due to Russian soldiers advancing.

“Earlier in the week, Wagner paramilitary forces highly likely seized a subordinate route which links Bakhmut to the town of Siversk,” it said.

“While multiple alternative cross-country supply routes remain available to Ukrainian forces, Bakhmut is increasingly isolated,” it added
 
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curryjunkie said:
What do you think happens if Russia wins? You think they won't threaten Lithuania, Moldova? How well disposed will they be to Poland? Fuckin moron
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That's what so many russian shills don't seem to understand .They worry about their "tax dollar" or "escalation" , but dont realize Russia needs to be stopped now. Should Russia have grabbed all of UKR like they thought they could have then what would have been next? They are already threatening Moldova and Poland would be on high alert form now on that's why they are all in against Russia because they know they could be next.
 
SandisLL said:
For me is annyoing to read all these pro kremlin oriented posters Kremlin's propaganda narrative.

Kremlin exactly wants that mainstream media info consumers will talk about their bullshit excuses.
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I think people don't understand how effective Russian propaganda is.

In fact, the American right refuses to admit it exists since they've been thoroughly subverted by it over the recent decades even today knowing we know now. Even high profile rightists in American media like Tucker Carlson are pumping them full of Russian bullshit still. Some of his segments they straight up steal and replay on RT they find him so effective at it.


They've been pumping the internet with bullshit for so long now they don't even realize it. Russian bullshit has become their preferred type of media to consume.

The thing that people also don't understand about Russia propaganda is that it's intentionally misleading and contradictory. They're not trying to change minds as much as they are trying to confuse the conversation. They know it's bullshit too but they don't care because they know a lot of people are dumb believe some of it and keep it in the conversation.
 
Rational Poster said:
I think people don't understand how effective Russian propaganda is.

In fact, the American right refuses to admit it exists since they've been thoroughly subverted by it over the recent decades even today knowing we know now. Even high profile rightists in American media like Tucker Carlson are pumping them full of Russian bullshit still. Some of his segments they straight up steal and replay on RT they find him so effective at it.


They've been pumping the internet with bullshit for so long now they don't even realize it. Russian bullshit has become their preferred type of media to consume.

The thing that people also don't understand about Russia propaganda is that it's intentionally misleading and contradictory. They're not trying to change minds as much as they are trying to confuse the conversation. They know it's bullshit too but they don't care because they know a lot of people are dumb believe some of it and keep it in the conversation.
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It turns out Yuri was right, except it’s the right (particularly far right) who became useful idiots
 
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