International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

[SandisLL]

Me likes " historical rights experts "....
LOL, Mongols then should control part of Russia.

Actually Russia isn't proper country and single nation and doesn't have any rights.....


All this idiotic russian shit is just HS type bully and debiloids supporting bully .....not worth even to discuss, ignore list and good buye.

Russian Federation had recognised Ukraine's borders in 1992, 1993,1994, 1997,1998, 2000, 2004, 2010 th.

Btw the same Emperor Putin and Shoigu had signed contract to prolong rent agreement for naval base in Sevastopol ....in ...lol Ukraine....
Medvedev too had signed this contract ....2010.

So what stuff here will be posted to support Russia, is just Ignore list worth poster ....

Russia maybe soon will demand some kind of " historical rights " to control East Germany too, they till today are praising how looked East Germany and East Berlin with their troops and tanks...

They are dreaming about this while delusional ppl are joke here....

Btw now till....Lisbon.

Empire that should be.

A book with cover where map from Portugal and Ireland/ U.K and Greenland till....Vladivostok ....painted in ...red.
" Empire that should be ".
Co author was Dugin. Had been printed as physical book in the end of 1990 ies....in russian. In russia.
It is russian world idea.

 

[TheMaster]

But but Big Serge said that Vuhledar and whole southeastern front is about to collapse.

Someone also got a batch of FPV drones.



Excaliburs have been doing a lot of work in the south lately.

How to create hell on earth, before you get there for real.
The brutality and inhumanity of drone and industrial scale warfare is just terrible. Ukraine is a testing ground for all manner of new weaponry.

It's makes the close up combat of WWI and WW2 seem almost quaint by comparison...

 

[Joe]

I think you'll find that that's a separate issue that is much more complex.
Crimea was historically part of Russia, gifted to Ukraine only 60 years ago as a mark of celebration on Ukraine-Russian unity.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/why-did-russia-give-away-crimea-sixty-years-ago

As I said they showed no intent to invade Ukraine until Ukraine declared that they wanted to join NATO in it's entirety.

A clearly unacceptable situation for the Russians. Plenty of people saw this coming for this reason.
And NATO had been expanding steadily East long, long before that. It got to their red line which was Ukraine.
N noot hard to understand.

Remember when the russians poisoned their president in 2004. What did ukraine do that was a threat then?

 

[curryjunkie]

Remember when the russians poisoned their president in 2004. What did ukraine do that was a threat then?

Check out his sig " road to reality"

 

[Joe]

The question is...
Why does Ukraine need to be in NATO, and does anyone with a sane mind think that threatening to bring them in, and thus potentially place nuclear missiles on Russias backyard would ever be tolerated by them??

This entire narrative is evil and misguided, Ukrainians are pawns and their civilians are dying over a cause that doesn't need to be and won't ever likely will.

NATO countries are safer without Ukraine in it, and forcing Russias hand and pushing us to the brink of WW3 Armageddon is not a way to make the world a safer more peaceful place.

Facts

Quite ironic you are talking about this will cause ww3 considering ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons because russia said it would respect their borders. So now putin is threating ww3 because they dont have nuclear weapons.

 

[Blayt7hh]

The question is...
Why does Ukraine need to be in NATO, and does anyone with a sane mind think that threatening to bring them in, and thus potentially place nuclear missiles on Russias backyard would ever be tolerated by them??

This entire narrative is evil and misguided, Ukrainians are pawns and their civilians are dying over a cause that doesn't need to be and won't ever likely will.

NATO countries are safer without Ukraine in it, and forcing Russias hand and pushing us to the brink of WW3 Armageddon is not a way to make the world a safer more peaceful place.

Facts

Only dinguses believe Russia invaded because of NATO expansion

 

[Joe]

Check out his sig " road to reality"

Didnt see it. I havent seen someones sig in years

 

[Source]

I see we are back to blaming NATO for the entire mess instead of the party responsible for invading. New thread old argument.

 

[phoenixikki]

So just let Russia invade and take over? I'm sure the people of UKR would get treated very well by the occupiers and should welcome them with open arms. The safer way would be to just let Putin take over whatever country he wants without a fight then everything is peaches and puppies and peace would endure right?

The only fact is you have no idea about the reality of the situation.

Best case scenario Russia gets pushed back, NATO and Russia come to an agreement on Ukraine staying neutral.
If Ukraine joins NATO, there's war in Europe and shit hits the fan.

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[Hog-train]

Best case scenario Russia gets pushed back, NATO and Russia come to an agreement on Ukraine staying neutral.
If Ukraine joins NATO, there's war in Europe and shit hits the fan.

If Russia gets pushed back, Ukraine is joining NATO and Putin can't do shit about it.

 

[Blayt7hh]

They took Crimea by force in 2014. The intention to join NATO again was a response to that.

Shouldn't you get the bare minimum of facts before commenting on this topic?

 

[TheMaster]

I see we are back to blaming NATO for the entire mess instead of the party responsible for invading. New thread old argument.

No no, we're back to absolving NATO of any responsibility whatsoever and ingnoring their long history of provocations and reneging on agreements not to expand Eastward and unbalance the status quo.
Also apparently NATO countries have never illegally invaded any other nation.

Bottom line is in the US/NATO world view, might is right, and if you don't like what we do fuck yourself.
Well trouble is they are meeting a force that can say the same back to them now.
Might is only right, if you are the mightiest.

Best case scenario Russia gets pushed back, NATO and Russia come to an agreement on Ukraine staying neutral.
If Ukraine joins NATO, there's war in Europe and shit hits the fan.

This is the only solution.
The US already knows this, they are just stretching this out as much as possible to see how far they can weaken Russia.

Ukraine has zero possibility of ever joining NATO for real.
Western Europe and the US would never go to direct war for what they see as a bunch of ex communists on the far outskirts of Europe.
I know and see this as do many, but sadly it seems the Ukrainians don't.

 

[Hog-train]

 

[phoenixikki]

If Russia gets pushed back, Ukraine is joining NATO and Putin can't do shit about it.

 

[Source]

No no, we're back to absolving NATO of any responsibility whatsoever and ingnoring their long history of provocations and reneging on agreements not to expand Eastward and unbalance the status quo.
Also apparently NATO countries have never illegally invaded any other nation.

Bottom line is in the US/NATO world view, might is right, and if you don't like what we do fuck yourself.
Well trouble is they are meeting a force that can say the same back to them now.
Might is only right, if you are the mightiest.


This is the only solution.
The US already knows this, they are just stretching this out as much as possible to see how far they can weaken Russia.

Ukraine has zero possibility of ever joining NATO for real.
Western Europe and the US would never go to direct war for what they see as a bunch of ex communists on the far outskirts of Europe.
I know and see this as do many, but sadly it seems the Ukrainians don't.

You concede that Ukraine was and is never getting into NATO so to then blame UA for their desire to join NATO for the invasion is dishonest. That is not to mention you’re ignoring the fact that Putin’s annexation of Crimea is one of the main factors in the UA’s renewed desire to join NATO. Like you said in another post it was never going to happen. You have already lied and now contradicted yourself multiple times. Placing the blame for the invasion on anyone but the invader is disingenuous at best.

 

[Limbo Pete]

You concede that Ukraine was and is never getting into NATO so to then blame UA for their desire to join NATO for the invasion is dishonest. That is not to mention you’re ignoring the fact that Putin’s annexation of Crimea is one of the main factors in the UA’s renewed desire to join NATO. Like you said in another post it was never going to happen. You have already lied and now contradicted yourself multiple times. Placing the blame for the invasion on anyone but the invader is disingenuous at best.

"We can't have NATO on our border so let's take over the non-NATO country and then expand our border to NATO."
Also, never mind that they already border NATO

 

[Cid]

No no, we're back to absolving NATO of any responsibility whatsoever and ingnoring their long history of provocations and reneging on agreements not to expand Eastward and unbalance the status quo.

Russia has committed 12 expansionary wars in the last 33 years.

No shit NATO is going to be increasing. It's called cause and effect.

Are you capable of entertaining the idea that you might possibly be guilty of absolving Russia of their role in NATO expansion? Just throwing it out there.

 

[Terry Noonan]

Did the real Russian army show up yet?

 

[GhostZ06]