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Russia and China soon signing Energy Deal to build Pipeline

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Pupi, May 14, 2014.

  1. Rusk Black Belt

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    russian news reported that it is the same as Europe, when it comes to price
     
  2. Rusk Black Belt

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    Russia is obviously getting stronger militarily, and it seems to me that they finally going for quality and not quantity (fucking Stalin and his slave army...:icon_lol:). BUT russian economy is still too weak to get into any conflict on global scale, a war with Iraq would probably bleed Russia dry after 1 year. So economically they are a regional power, imo.
     
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    Without oil and gas, Russia would be like Angola (with white people and nukes).

    But seriously, yes, the army is getting better, but Russia still cannot project power beyond its immediate border.
     
  4. Bumble_Bee_Tuna I'll sell my soul for a nice pair of hooters

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  5. Ishaq Brown Belt

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    No, the definition hasn't changed. A superpower is a state with an unparalelled ability to exert influence or project power on a global scale and often in mutiple places at the same time. This can only be done through diplomatic channels(soft power), militarily or via economic pressure. Russia can barely manage any of this on a regional scale, nevermind a global scale.

    Also the events in Ukraine are not an example of Russian softpower. They are an indictment of Russian weakness in that NATO and the US can play Game of Thrones in your backyard, cause havoc, and all you can do is save your lousy military base. Is this the superpower you speak of, that can barely project influence and power on Kiev yet you think it can project influence and power on a global scale?

    This is almost as laughable as you propping up the Yuan for its mesmerising 8% share of international trade.

    Furthermore, austerity is not a bad thing. It is a bitter pill that needs to be swallowed for future benefit. The sooner a country in crisis takes it, the better. This is why, the Western world are the richest nations on earth with amongst the highest standards of living, quality of life, and infrastructure, whilst Eastern Europe is a complete shithole bearing the scars left behind by your failed Soviet Union whose collapse it would appear you still cannot get over.
     
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  6. ElKarlo Titanium Belt

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    Need to have a stable birthrate though. Yes it is rising but it is still under 2
     
  7. ElKarlo Titanium Belt

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    A first rate power IMHO. Russia canbully iit's neighbors. Just lacks the real economy as you said. Also needs more power projection
     
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    I would say they are rather underrated
     
  9. Factory Black Belt

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    yes, but as far as the resource sector is concerned, they are a superpower for sure.

    And if you have power in the energy area, you possess a form of pressure, which shouldn
     
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  11. Thanos Courting Death

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    looks like the Russian ppl need some freedom
     
  12. IGIT Silver Belt

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    hullo Denter,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/21/world/asia/china-russia.html?hp

    the Chinese aren't really that easy to do business with - they know they have the cards and they really hold your feet to the fire, something US corporations have learned.

    Putin is now learning this also.

    no deal thus far.

    with China expanding its reach in the South China Sea and pushing onward with its deep sea drilling coupled with its relatively robust economy, they can wait...but Russia can't. like someone else noted, without the money from fossil fuel exports, they'll swirl down the toilet in a big hurry.

    Putin, on the other hand, doesn't want to squander all this political capital he has amassed via the annexation of Crimea by taking it up the arse from China.

    i'm curious to see how this all plays out.

    - IGIT
     
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  13. Bumble_Bee_Tuna I'll sell my soul for a nice pair of hooters

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    By that logic the U.S. is not a superpower since its influence has hardly been a success story in the different places it has touched. In fact, one can argue just the opposite of your stance - namely that, the U.S. empire has had a series of unsuccessful global adventures where things just do not go as planned. I would also point out that your use of "soft-power" to reference the U.S. is inapplicable as the U.S. has forgotten what the art of diplomacy is. It's "influences" (if you can call it that) on a global scale (in reality we mean interventions) have all been driven through force, directly or indirectly (in the latter case via coups done through third parties). Also, "soft power" as initially described by Joseph Nye was meant something entirely different from what you're using it as. Furthermore, Joseph Nye's theory of "soft power" has proven to be unreliable and untrue. To quote (and by no means an endorsement of all his views) Kissinger's prot
     
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    putin throws it into military instead of education
     
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    Western world is richest for a whole host of reasons; some reasons are: Free markets , Western Europe led the way in industrialisation , Colonisation far beyond Europe's shores, relatively free societies , lack of corruption relative to rest of the world , rule of law.
     
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    Sorry, I can see how it has come across as though I've said the West is rich because of austerity.

    Lol, I meant Western nations are the richest because of their economic system. Eastern nations were and some still are generally poor, because of their shit economic systems(ultra statism and socialism) etc.
     
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    Russia is more American than America now
     
  19. Denter Silver Belt

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    Good post. I'm sure the Russian media is lying about the price.
     
  20. I've been asking this question for a while now. Why in the hell isn't russia a super power? They have all the resources. I just don't get it. Do they even have a forestry industry? Because they have a lot of trees haha
     

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