Russia and China soon signing Energy Deal to build Pipeline

[Ishaq]

I didn't say that it was exclusive. Obviously and as you say, you have other reasons for being anti-Russia in this case. Though, you have been anti-Russia on many other things prior to this revolution; things including religion and Chechnya.

Lol, you suggested my hate on Russia in this case has something to do with Russia's Christian orthodoxy.

Such a claim cannot be reconciled with the fact that I support the US in this case which is quite Christian as well.

Which is why I proferred my explanation that the only thing I despise more than Zionists are communists. However you summarily dismissed this explanation as a

 

[tkotom]

Lol, you suggested my hate on Russia in this case has something to do with Russia's Christian orthodoxy.

Such a claim cannot be reconciled with the fact that I support the US in this case which is quite Christian as well.

Which is why I proferred my explanation that the only thing I despise more than Zionists are communists. However you summarily dismissed this explanation as a

 

[ZroC]

The Russia love on this forum is disturbing. You realize most Russians do not like you right? They don't think like you, and they have your worst in mind... So just think about that before praising acts of defiance against America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
Demonizing the enemy
Making individuals from the opposing nation, from a different ethnic group, or those who support the opposing viewpoint appear to be subhuman (e.g., the Vietnam War-era term "****s" for National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam aka Vietcong, or "VC", soldiers), worthless, or immoral, through suggestion or false accusations. Dehumanizing is also a termed used synonymously with demonizing, the latter usually serves as an aspect of the former.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

The Russia love on this forum is disturbing. You realize most Russians do not like you right? They don't think like you, and they have your worst in mind... So just think about that before praising acts of defiance against America.

good lord.

 

[Anabolistair]

lol this lets not also forget that its putin running the country. All that money will go into military crap an not helping his country. Russian politics are run like a mafia

same thing in US.

 

[GhostZ06]

same thing in US.

Again they are worst then us, stop hyper focusing on the US.

 

[Pupi]

Russia is a regional power. They cannot project force.

The hilarity in this post has reached the side-splitting, knee-slapping, endless guffaws level. Good show, old sport. LOL.

 

[Pupi]

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-ru...ions-in-final-phase-says-putin-xinhua-2014-18

"For Russia, implementing these agreements means diversifying gas supply destinations, while for our Chinese partners ... it could be a remedy for energy shortages and helps ecological security," Xinhua quoted Putin as saying in an interview with Chinese media ahead of the May 20-21 visit.

Heh. Putin basically wants Russia to be more independent in the gas market and not be, basically, tied down to Europe due to its sanctions and whatnot. It's looking for more diversity in its market and I can't blame them due to financial troubles surfacing after sanctions.

This is wild:

"At 38 bcm per year, Russian supplies would be equal to nearly a quarter of current consumption and make up nearly a tenth of China's estimated total gas demand by 2020.

China is fast-tracking gas use, which is set to grow about 2.5 fold between 2014 and 2020, to curb use of the dominant but dirtier coal.

The country's state planning agency forecast last month that China would raise its total natural gas supply capacity to 400 billion cubic meters (bcm) per year by 2020."

The two countries are basically becoming dependent on one another; basically assuring their mutual failure or mutual success, a strengthening of ties between the two countries that ensures cooperation across the board due to being wedded to one another due to needs that are to be met by the energy deal. This is good for them and could be bad for the west if we should keep pursuing sanctions and displays of power within that region.

 

[Jukai]

On one hand, it's very good that Russia is diversifying. On the other hand, that deal is peanuts compared to what Europe was paying. The only winner here is China. I gotta say, I'm impressed with China's performance.

 

[D3THRONED]

The hilarity in this post has reached the side-splitting, knee-slapping, endless guffaws level. Good show, old sport. LOL.

Lol Russia's military is actually pretty crappy. This isn't 1980 dude. If you seriously think russia can project force on a large scale, you are sadly mistaken.


Which reminds me, their 5th gen fighter is a complete joke. India was very upset about its performance. Now please stop hyping up russia.

 

[Pupi]

On one hand, it's very good that Russia is diversifying. On the other hand, that deal is peanuts compared to what Europe was paying. The only winner here is China. I gotta say, I'm impressed with China's performance.

Not really. Russia is also a winner due to the potential of further cementing that Eurasian alliance. Putin has gone on to say that he wants to establish a Eurasian Union, undoubtedly to strengthen Russia's standing in the world and also to diminish Americas influence in that region. We all know what Russia and China holding hands and tying their dreams of prosperity to each other signifies and quite honestly, it's not in the interest of America, Japan, South Korea, and their aspirations for the pacific power hierarchy.

What this signifies is that the world better think twice before fucking with either country and their economies because both countries will begin to invest more heavily in each other and if one economy were to collapse, it wouldn't be good for the other, leading to mutual support of foreign policy and whatnot.

Both are winners even if one merely wants to consider the ramifications on the world stage that this deal implies. Thinking that this is merely an economic deal is hogwash and is a practice lacking in foresight and historical evidence, imo.

 

[Pupi]

Lol Russia's military is actually pretty crappy. This isn't 1980 dude. If you seriously think russia can project force on a large scale, you are sadly mistaken.


Which reminds me, their 5th gen fighter is a complete joke. India was very upset about its performance. Now please stop hyping up russia.

Lol pretty crappy you say, yet look at what they've been doing in the Ukraine, Georgia, and other regions that will undoubtedly follow. This demonstrates a level of coordination, efficiency, and centralization of power and the respect and obedience of troops and citizens stemming from that, that is quite frankly not very common, especially when one brings up the fact that Russia took the Southeast and Crimea without spilling blood. That is very impressive and whatever arguments you use simply can't argue against it. Their military might not be as good as the united states', but what country's is? It's very clear that their intelligence gathering capabilities are top notch, they have powerful friends, HUGE energy reserves and manpower, they have nukes, and the Russian character has a legendary will that ultimately not just survives, but prospers. These are all historical facts, but please continue in saying that Russia is irrelevant and weak on the global scale. It's quite amusing.

 

[Bumble_Bee_Tuna]

Lol Russia's military is actually pretty crappy. This isn't 1980 dude. If you seriously think russia can project force on a large scale, you are sadly mistaken.

Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country. Putin is a good politician but a terrible economist.

He's placed every single one of Russia's eggs in the energy basket. Even a large increase in world supply of LNG and/or oil could tank their economy.

This is no world superpower. It's not even a developed country yet. At sub 1% growth, it will take a long time to get there.

Take a seat Putin.

so because Russia is building a pipeline with a private company they are once again a superpower?

I think you are overestimating Russia. Their growth rate slowed to less than 1% per quarter, hardly an indication of a booming economy.

The problem I have with this is there is no detail. What price is China paying for the gas? I'll put money on it that it is shitload less than Ukraine.

The word "superpower" is quite fungible and misleading, but suffice to say that, any country that has the capability to wipe out another country and the rest of the world, qualifies as a world power, which is a more apt term in the growing multipolar world. The American Empire's arrogance assumes a superpower is based on how many aircraft carriers you have, and how fast you can deploy in different parts of the world. While that is surely a factor, it is by no means dispositive, in the gradually amorphous world order. In fact, as far as US military performance goes, it has quite a dismal record since World War II, with it's only real victorious "war" being against Saddam Hussein's Iraq in Gulf War I. So even with it's ability to project itself globally, it has quite a piss poor performance record, which makes one question what is the use of power projection if you can't utilize it to your advantage?

As far as growth rates are concerned, apparently U.S. economic growth "expanded at a 0.1 percent annual rate, the slowest since the fourth quarter of 2012." On that note, it is not very far off of Russia and can be compared to a banana republic.

The significance of the Sino-Russian gas deal is underestimated by the Western world. The West presents it as somehow a losing deal for Putin, but in reality it is not. Regardless, the EU will be dependent on Russian gas, despite the threat of "sanctions" as the EU has no real alternative (the US capability at funneling natural gas to EU is non-existent despite verbiage to the contrary). The geopolitical ramifications are huge in that it subverts the Brzezinski plan outlined in "The Grand Chessboard" to control the Eurasian landmass because it provides a politico-economic union of two of the most important countries on the Eurasian landmass, and thereby sows the seeds of the gradual emergence of a multipolar world in which the center of gravity is not in Washington, but diffuse and mostly centered in Beijing, and to a lesser extent in Moscow.

 

[Jukai]

Not really. Russia is also a winner due to the potential of further cementing that Eurasian alliance. Putin has gone on to say that he wants to establish a Eurasian Union, undoubtedly to strengthen Russia's standing in the world and also to diminish Americas influence in that region. We all know what Russia and China holding hands and tying their dreams of prosperity to each other signifies and quite honestly, it's not in the interest of America, Japan, South Korea, and their aspirations for the pacific power hierarchy.

What this signifies is that the world better think twice before fucking with either country and their economies because both countries will begin to invest more heavily in each other and if one economy were to collapse, it wouldn't be good for the other, leading to mutual support of foreign policy and whatnot.

Both are winners even if one merely wants to consider the ramifications on the world stage that this deal implies. Thinking that this is merely an economic deal is hogwash and is a practice lacking in foresight and historical evidence, imo.

Russia lost a ton of money on this deal. Sure, they are "strengthening" alliances with China but they lost a lot of faith and clout in Europe. It's just trading one relationship for another, but the one you lost gave you more money.

It's true, Russia and China are definitely becoming closer, but that's kinda because they are forced to. On one side, Europe is inching close to Russia. On the other side, Obama's push to the pacific is closing in on China. But make no mistake--- they don't like each other that much. China is slowly emerging as the next great power and Russia is falling behind.

 

[Ishaq]

The word "superpower" is quite fungible and misleading, but suffice to say that, any country that has the capability to wipe out another country and the rest of the world, qualifies as a world power, which is a more apt term in the growing multipolar world. The American Empire's arrogance assumes a superpower is based on how many aircraft carriers you have, and how fast you can deploy in different parts of the world. While that is surely a factor, it is by no means dispositive, in the gradually amorphous world order. In fact, as far as US military performance goes, it has quite a dismal record since World War II, with it's only real victorious "war" being against Saddam Hussein's Iraq in Gulf War I. So even with it's ability to project itself globally, it has quite a piss poor performance record, which makes one question what is the use of power projection if you can't utilize it to your advantage?

As far as growth rates are concerned, apparently U.S. economic growth "expanded at a 0.1 percent annual rate, the slowest since the fourth quarter of 2012." On that note, it is not very far off of Russia and can be compared to a banana republic.

The significance of the Sino-Russian gas deal is underestimated by the Western world. The West presents it as somehow a losing deal for Putin, but in reality it is not. Regardless, the EU will be dependent on Russian gas, despite the threat of "sanctions" as the EU has no real alternative (the US capability at funneling natural gas to EU is non-existent despite verbiage to the contrary). The geopolitical ramifications are huge in that it subverts the Brzezinski plan outlined in "The Grand Chessboard" to control the Eurasian landmass because it provides a politico-economic union of two of the most important countries on the Eurasian landmass, and thereby sows the seeds of the gradual emergence of a multipolar world in which the center of gravity is not in Washington, but diffuse and mostly centered in Beijing, and to a lesser extent in Moscow.

Your definition of superpower is nothing short of ridiculous claptrap aimed at assuaging your own emotions.

Going by your definition, with the rapid technological advancements in modern weaponry, half the world would be considered superpowers in the not too distant future.

Superpower status encompasses military might, economic might and political might. Russia, perhaps has the military strength to be considered a superpower, but even that is dubious. Just because Putin thinks Russia a superpower does not maketh Russia a superpower.

Furthermore, China, the

 

[Denter]

so because Russia is building a pipeline with a private company they are once again a superpower?

I think you are overestimating Russia. Their growth rate slowed to less than 1% per quarter, hardly an indication of a booming economy.

The problem I have with this is there is no detail. What price is China paying for the gas? I'll put money on it that it is shitload less than Ukraine.

This came up in another thread that with Europe trying to move away from Russian gas, the Chinese knew they basically had Russia in a vice. I'm sure they got a really good deal.

 

[GhostZ06]

Lol pretty crappy you say, yet look at what they've been doing in the Ukraine, Georgia, and other regions that will undoubtedly follow. This demonstrates a level of coordination, efficiency, and centralization of power and the respect and obedience of troops and citizens stemming from that, that is quite frankly not very common, especially when one brings up the fact that Russia took the Southeast and Crimea without spilling blood. That is very impressive and whatever arguments you use simply can't argue against it. Their military might not be as good as the united states', but what country's is? It's very clear that their intelligence gathering capabilities are top notch, they have powerful friends, HUGE energy reserves and manpower, they have nukes, and the Russian character has a legendary will that ultimately not just survives, but prospers. These are all historical facts, but please continue in saying that Russia is irrelevant and weak on the global scale. It's quite amusing.

Well they are picking on a country that was already morally weak an they do have active soldiers fighting against Ukraine . They are a tough one, but defiantly not as strong as most Russian cheerleaders thing, i imagine they're economy will take a massive hit. Putin live in the 1980s an kinda treats Russia like its a soviet union threw his personal view.

 

[Bumble_Bee_Tuna]

Your definition of superpower is nothing short of ridiculous claptrap aimed at assuaging your own emotions.

Going by your definition, with the rapid technological advancements in modern weaponry, half the world would be considered superpowers in the not too distant future.

Superpower status encompasses military might, economic might and political might. Russia, perhaps has the military strength to be considered a superpower, but even that is dubious. Just because Putin thinks Russia a superpower does not maketh Russia a superpower.

Furthermore, China, the “great” totalitarian communist turned totalitarian socialist state is decades away from catching upto the West.

China the center of gravity, with a regime too afraid to allow their citizens the freedom to think, and a nominal GDP per capita lower than Iraq & Colombia? You're taking the piss mate.

I think your post precisely reflects an attempt to assuage your emotional conflict. There are only a handful of countries that not only possess nuclear weapons, but have the capability to launch ICBMs across the planet. Russia is one of them. So contrary to your pitiful attempt at trying to deflect my point, it still stands. Whether Putin thinks Russia is a superpower or not, is not relevant. You have made a series of emotive and unsubstantiated assertions that have no bearing on reality. The facts of nuclear capability speak for themselves.

Regarding your point that China is "decades away" at "catching up to the West" - that is a matter of perspective. An argument can be made that China is wealthier than the U.S. right now, depending on the unit of measure. Word is, China is close to overtake the U.S. in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) by the end of the year. In September of last year, there were reports that China's yuan is one of the most traded currencies in the world. Then in December we hear it is the 2nd most traded currency, despite the dollar maintaining 80%. Indeed, during the "government shut down" China called for a "de-Americanization" of the world. China and Russia also have a bilateral agreement bypassing the dollar and China has established a similar agreement with France and UK. This is all the more pressing now with the pending Sino-Russian "holy grail" gas deal.

 

[Ishaq]

I think your post precisely reflects an attempt to assuage your emotional conflict. There are only a handful of countries that not only possess nuclear weapons, but have the capability to launch ICBMs across the planet. Russia is one of them. So contrary to your pitiful attempt at trying to deflect my point, it still stands. Whether Putin thinks Russia is a superpower or not, is not relevant. You have made a series of emotive and unsubstantiated assertions that have no bearing on reality. The facts of nuclear capability speak for themselves.

Regarding your point that China is "decades away" at "catching up to the West" - that is a matter of perspective. An argument can be made that China is wealthier than the U.S. right now, depending on the unit of measure. Word is, China is close to overtake the U.S. in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) by the end of the year. In September of last year, there were reports that China's yuan is one of the most traded currencies in the world. Then in December we hear it is the 2nd most traded currency, despite the dollar maintaining 80%. Indeed, during the "government shut down" China called for a "de-Americanization" of the world. China and Russia also have a bilateral agreement bypassing the dollar and China has established a similar agreement with France and UK. This is all the more pressing now with the pending Sino-Russian "holy grail" gas deal.

Again, nuclear weapons do not make you a superpower. Influence makes you a superpower, and Putin couldn't influence his own arse cheeks. I don't feel the need to further address this stupid notion that nuclear weapons make you a superpower.

The yuan,

 

[Videer]

It'll be good news, Mr. Xi has a new bitch in Vladdy Putin who'll bend over whenever ordered.