Law russell brand allegations

you really don't think journalists tried?
Either journalists failed or the fbi withheld evidence and information there is no in between. The story hasn't even been told. So whose fault is it? Also I kinda think Russell may have done this stuff, just to be half on topic.
 
It's standard media practice in the West to not name potential victims alleging sexual assault. It has been for decades. The better question, if you think Brand is being railroaded, is why hasn't he sued or denied the veracity of the text messages or medical records from a rape clinic?
There’s no medical records, no police reports
2007!-2013 and we are talking about it now?
Cmon he pissed the wrong, powerful people off
I don’t know if youve ever seen his podcast on YouTube but he goes off- he is worse in rumble
But he has millions of subscribers and viewers
This is a witch hunt
 
There’s no medical records, no police reports
2007!-2013 and we are talking about it now?
Cmon he pissed the wrong, powerful people off
I don’t know if youve ever seen his podcast on YouTube but he goes off- he is worse in rumble
But he has millions of subscribers and viewers
This is a witch hunt
There are medical records from a rape clinic on the same day a victim text Brand "No means no" and he apologized. I'm sure that's just pure coincidence.

And please lol. I'm sure the Times of all outlets gives a shit about a random social media influencer. Can you explain to me why the outlet's legal counsel signed off on this story if it's so obviously false?
 
The only text being shown is one of him saying he’s sorry he didn’t use a condom with consensual sex
You clearly didn't read the article. It's from an instance of sexual assault that he didn't use a condom for allegedly. He also did remove his condom during sex once, which is also textbook rape in most jurisdictions.
 
There’s no medical records, no police reports
2007!-2013 and we are talking about it now?
Cmon he pissed the wrong, powerful people off
I don’t know if youve ever seen his podcast on YouTube but he goes off- he is worse in rumble
But he has millions of subscribers and viewers
This is a witch hunt

Lol you're definitely not in his cult.
 
I've explained previously in this thread, go find the post if you're interested. Defamation laws in the UK put the burden of evidence on the alleged defaming party, not the claimant. They also don't use the actual malice standard like in the US.

Nowhere did I ever say UK media outlets have never run afoul of defamation law.

I actually did know that fact (from Amber Heard trial ironically.) I also know you're not entitled to a jury trial for defamation in the UK. It's just in front of a judge.

Your entire point was that UK defamation law deters media from being deceptive. Which is LAUGHABLY false.

UK defamation law doesn't mean the media doesn't omit key facts, have an agenda, publish false innuendo, etc. They're just like every other Western media source like the US. Give me a break. Their tabloids are a cesspool of garbage.

It's not very common. I suspect you are confusing graphics for actual screenshots...like in the case here. If you use screenshots, it tends to be from a government source that's already redacted.

Whatever. I want to see unedited text messages with full context before I wholeheartedly believe anything. If you actually read the message, it sounds like they're talking about him not using a condom against her wishes. Certainly wrong and probably illegal - but that's not legally rape.

Regardless, I want to see what was said before and after that brief exchange. And I want the texts to be not doctored.

Why are you so intent to automatically cast judgment before any court case or more evidence comes out? I'm reserving judgment.

What did the Times publish that was false about the Heard story? Channel 4 didn't do the investigative work on this one, at least certainly not the bulk. It was the Times. Again, the reporters are listed on the article. What have they done in the past that brings their credibility into doubt?

Channel 4 worked with Times Radio with this documentary style video in the opening post. They used a paid actor that re-enacted some of the statements. They're essentially part of the team that broke the story.
 
Either journalists failed or the fbi withheld evidence and information there is no in between. The story hasn't even been told. So whose fault is it? Also I kinda think Russell may have done this stuff, just to be half on topic.

All the evidence is in possession of various government agencies. When it comes to government sources, both official and unofficial.... all journalists can really do is relay what they're told. If they press their sources too much, that's only going to damage the relationship and get them less info. It's not like the movies where they can just break into the FBI offices at night and steal the info out of a filing cabinet.

*Hopefully* the FBI is currently building cases against everyone on the list. It's certainly a lot easier for them to do that before names are announced, as the moment they're named they'll all start hiring damage control consultants, who would make the cops job a lot harder.

I say hopefully because obviously it's possible the conspiracy theorists are totally correct in regards to a coverup.
 
Your entire point was that UK defamation law deters media from being deceptive. Which is LAUGHABLY false.
I did not say that. What their laws do do however is having a chilling effect on investigative journalism, which means if a major outlet is willing to publish something like this, they are incredibly confident in it.
UK defamation law doesn't mean the media doesn't omit key facts, have an agenda, publish false innuendo, etc. They're just like every other Western media source like the US. Give me a break. Their tabloids are a cesspool of garbage.
We aren't talking about tabloids, we are talking about one of their preeminent major papers.
Whatever. I want to see unedited text messages with full context before I wholeheartedly believe anything. If you actually read the message, it sounds like they're talking about him not using a condom against her wishes. Certainly wrong and probably illegal - but that's not legally rape.
Stealthing is literally, by the book rape, punishable by up to a life sentence. Do you also not believe a bank robbery happens when it's reported on by a media outlet, or is the skepticism only in cases of alleged rape?
Channel 4 worked with Times Radio with this documentary style video. They used a paid actor that re-enacted some of the statements. They're essentially part of the team that broke the story.
They're on the back end and simply broadcasting the Times' work. Let's make this super simple. Why hasn't Brand sued if these text messages are fabricated or out of context? He's had two weeks to do so.
 
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All the evidence is in possession of various government agencies. When it comes to government sources, both official and unofficial.... all journalists can really do is relay what they're told. If they press their sources too much, that's only going to damage the relationship and get them less info. It's not like the movies where they can just break into the FBI offices at night and steal the info out of a filing cabinet.

*Hopefully* the FBI is currently building cases against everyone on the list. It's certainly a lot easier for them to do that before names are announced, as the moment they're named they'll all start hiring damage control consultants, who would make the cops job a lot harder.

I say hopefully because obviously it's possible the conspiracy theorists are totally correct in regards to a coverup.
If they haven't started taking people down by now they will never start. The black book and hard drives will likely disappear if they haven't already. I hope I'm wrong but I feel like I know I'm not.
 
Stealthing is literally, by the book rape, punishable by up to a life sentence. Do you also not believe a bank robbery happens when it's reported on by a media outlet, or is the skepticism only in cases of alleged rape?

I said I reserve judgment until more evidence comes out multiple times. That's not being skeptical "only" in cases of alleged rape.

I hold that same standard regardless of any crime - murder, robbery, whatever. And so should everybody.

Why the hell should I assume guilt based on a snippet of text that is obviously edited in a sloppy manner and doesn't even show the entire text exchange? On top of that from an ANONYMOUS person.

And don't tell me this doesn't happen. Aziz Ansari got roasted as a sexual predator by an ANONYMOUS person but we later found out it was just a bad date. Trevor Bauer (MLB) pitcher got prematurely condemned and basically banned from MLB - due to allegations of violent assault during sex. Later turned out the girl uploaded a social media video literally laying next to the guy in bed without a scratch on her face and bragging that she banged him. All of the media initially went crazy saying he was a sexual predator, etc.

So yea I reserve judgment because from experience, the media do not care about the truth. They just want to break a salacious story.

Not disbelieving Brand couldn't have done wrong either. I want to see more evidence.

They're on the back end and simply broadcasting the Times' work. Let's make this super simple. Why hasn't Brand sued if these text messages are fabricated or out of context? He's had two weeks to do so.

I answered this question already. Because the story just broke. Who TF knows whether he will sue or not.

And I could say the same exact thing to you. Why are there no criminal charges then? Oh it must be because he's not guilty. What a ridiculous stretch.

Uhmm maybe they're gathering more evidence. Maybe they're getting the facts together before they officially file. Who the hell knows? That's the point. Stop prejudging before all the VERIFIED facts are out.
 
Aziz Ansari got roasted as a sexual predator by an ANONYMOUS person but we later found out it was just a bad date. Trevor Bauer (MLB) pitcher got prematurely condemned and basically banned from MLB - due to allegations of violent assault during sex. Later turned out the girl uploaded a social media video literally laying next to the guy in bed without a scratch on her face and bragging that she banged him. All of the media initially went crazy saying he was a sexual predator, etc.
Did any of them have medical records from a rape clinic or the messages we have?
I answered this question already. Because the story just broke. Who TF knows whether he will sue or not.
He's had 2 weeks to file, if the messages were so obviously false he would have sued already. HE's had no problem suing in the past, hence all the blind items over the years.
And I could say the same exact thing to you. Why are there no criminal charges then? Oh it must be because he's not guilty. What a ridiculous stretch.
Because they just started criminal investigations and it's not clear any of these women want to go through a trial even. I'm sure you also think OJ Simpson was innocent?
Uhmm maybe they're gathering more evidence. Maybe they're getting the facts together before they officially file. Who the hell knows? That's the point. Stop prejudging before all the VERIFIED facts are out.
It's not prejudging to point out the very obvious conclusion of, based on the contemporaneous evidence we've been presented with and that not one, but four women are making accusations of sexual assault, the case has all the makings of credible one.
 
Did any of them have medical records from a rape clinic or the messages we have?

So let's examine them. Are they legit? What do they say? I want to know all the details.

He's had 2 weeks to file, if the messages were so obviously false he would have sued already. HE's had no problem suing in the past, hence all the blind items over the years.

BS - Johnny Depp took years to finally file. It takes a lot of prep work to get a defamation case ready. The fact that he hasn't filed a defamation case after 2 weeks is not "proof" of anything. Stop being ridiculous.

Because they just started criminal investigations and it's not clear any of these women want to go through a trial even.

Exactly. So I'll make up my mind AFTER the criminal investigation concludes and more evidence comes out. That's not controversial.

If the women do not want to even take this to trial and they want to stay anonymous - well then that's completely useless.

There's something wrong with you if you're willing to essentially ruin people just based on anonymous allegations with nothing verified.

I'm sure you also think OJ Simpson was innocent?

I mean it must really torture OJ to know that the real killer is still out there somewhere.

WTF - yea as if these cases are remotely comparable. OJ had a full trial. I saw the evidence. I saw him on national TV running from the cops. Obviously fucking guilty.
 
If they haven't started taking people down by now they will never start. The black book and hard drives will likely disappear if they haven't already. I hope I'm wrong but I feel like I know I'm not.

If Epstein's :eek::eek::eek::eek: ring was comprised of international billionares, I'm sure most would have fled anywhere the US law can reach the moment the story broke. Most of them probably aren't as dumb as prince Andrew.

In theory the scope could be greater than criminal convictions. Perhaps the books and hard-drives are full of kompromat on the house of Saud, so America can bend them over it's knee for the next 70 years.
 
So let's examine them. Are they legit? What do they say? I want to know all the details.
Again, you only have this standard for rape. It's a you issue.
BS - Johnny Depp took years to finally file. It takes a lot of prep work to get a defamation case ready. The fact that he hasn't filed a defamation case after 2 weeks is not "proof" of anything. Stop being ridiculous.
There would be no prep work required if those messages were fabricated. Again, you seem dead set on coming up with an elaborate conspiracy that requires the participation of dozens, if not hundreds of people, rathe than the simpler and pretty clear explanation of Russel Brand was a creep.
I mean it must really torture OJ to know that the real killer is still out there somewhere.

WTF - yea as if these cases are remotely comparable. OJ had a full trial. I saw the evidence. I saw him on national TV running from the cops. Obviously fucking guilty.
You're the one tying guilt or cupability to criminal justice outcomes. They are related, but in no ways the same.
 
Again, you only have this standard for rape. It's a you issue.

WTH are you talking about. It's not clear what happened and I'm reserving judgment. Not going to repeat myself a bazillion times.

There would be no prep work required if those messages were fabricated. Again, you seem dead set on coming up with an elaborate conspiracy that requires the participation of dozens, if not hundreds of people, rathe than the simpler and pretty clear explanation of Russel Brand was a creep.

Mehh bullshit. Story just broke and still ongoing. Maybe he's still looking for a defamation lawyer. Maybe he's waiting to see what else they will say. Maybe he's getting smart phone forensics experts that can testify at the trial. Maybe he won't file. Who knows. 2 weeks is too soon.

"Oh he didn't file a defamation case 2 weeks after the allegations so he's guilty!" That's what you're saying.
 
WTH are you talking about. It's not clear what happened and I'm reserving judgment. Not going to repeat myself a bazillion times.
So again: in your mind, it's either a complete coincidence that Brand apologized, from his own phone number, to a women who accused him of not taking "no means no" at face value on the same day she went to a rape clinic, or those records were all fabricated. You're in the fever swamps of looniness if you see that and then decide those two options are more likely than it simply being a factual event. You can't even explain why dozens of people and a respected publication would sign up to lose a multimillion pound lawsuit here by fabricating a story.
Mehh bullshit. Story just broke and still ongoing. Maybe he's still looking for a defamation lawyer. Maybe he's waiting to see what else they will say. Maybe he's getting smart phone forensics experts that can testify at the trial. Maybe he won't file. Who knows. 2 weeks is too soon.

"Oh he didn't file a defamation case 2 weeks after the allegations so he's guilty!" That's what you're saying.
Yes, balls in his court. That he's not doing anything or even denying the validity of the correspondences speaks volumes. You're telling me a multimillionaire can't find a good lawyer and forensics consultant and serve notice in 2 weeks when his livelihood is on the line? Come on.
 
^^^ not going to pollute the thread and repeat myself a million times. Waiting for more verified evidence, possible court case details, and can't rely on anonymous claims. Too many cases where anonymous stories have been proven to be false.
 
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