Law russell brand allegations

[Scerpi]

Wonder how he met the 16 year old and turned it into a relationship. Really weird.

Anyhow, hopefully the courts hear the evidence and justice is served whatever the outcome might be.

This will only be tried in the Court of Public Opinion.

Of which, he's already been found guilty.

Mission Successful.

Are they true? Maybe, maybe not... Who cares in these days hit piece journalism. Why weren't the police involved in these articles?

 

[avenue94]

This will only be tried in the Court of Public Opinion.

Why would Brand not sue for libel?

 

[nostradumbass]

How do you think the conservatives on this forum would've reacted, if the exact same accusations, down to the timing and everything came out against say Dylan Mulvaney? Be honest.

Dylan Mulvaney is like 25 now, so "down to the timing and everything" would mean this 'trans celebrity" was raping girls at age 8?

I don't mind saying I'd probably say with 100% confidence he was molested himself when he was a small kid to go at such a young age from rapist, to becoming gay, to having sex change procedures. That's one hell of an arc in a 15 year period with 0 other explanations.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

This will only be tried in the Court of Public Opinion.

Of which, he's already been found guilty.

Mission Successful.

Are they true? Maybe, maybe not... Who cares in these days hit piece journalism. Why weren't the police involved in these articles?

Fair comment (unfortunately).

I think people need to look at themselves and their personal lives and try to figure out why on the grand scale of problems with the world, this should be so consuming to them and have people black-balled without due process. Why not just have the patience and wherewithal to just say "a famous person is accused of a crime, let the due process play out and take it from there."

It's amazing how caught up in our worlds we get (and I am guilty of it too). Take a look at the Depp vs. Heard trial, or back further O.J. Simpson. If the masses of people that spent copious amounts of time monitoring those shit shows (particularly the latter) spent their calories on productive things, quite a bit could have been accomplished lol. But it seems more and more "people" want to feel like they are personally punishing others committing transgressions (and those who are famous or create the most internet traffic are the perfect topics), and in that fake altruism, whether the transgressions are real or imagined takes a back seat.

 

[fica]

Russell went after elite. Every major figure talk about hard work and you will live great life everything is so fair in democracy while Russell is like you are controlled by elite through crisis. One year MIC thinks you need to have a war amd stress that comes with it so you do next year big pharma thinks pandemic should happen and you should really on them and then next year financial system thinks you got to relaxed with your 9-5 job so you have to be stressed again. Thati is why Russell is being attacked. Same thing with tate how dare tate tell a girl she is not a boss the man leads and that petrified elites. Because they know there is girls and boys with same mind sate that tate teaches and they are scared girls will meet guy and tell him lead guy will say I will and they will live happy life and other girls might see that and ask them self they live happy and I am here with manipulative abuser

 

[eddymotto]

Why would Brand not sue for libel?

Tired: the UK is known for strict defamation laws and somebody with the financial resources of Russel Brand should definitely sue

Wired: the elite puppet masters will never allow a fair trial. if Brand sues, just wait for even more "victims" to miraculously appear out of nowhere with new accusations.

 

[avenue94]

Tired: the UK is known for strict defamation laws and somebody with the financial resources of Russel Brand should definitely sue

Wired: the elite puppet masters will never allow a fair trial. if Brand sues, just wait for even more "victims" to miraculously appear out of nowhere with new accusations.

He may yet sue, but the amount of these people in this thread claiming that The Times made this up or was negligent when UK libel laws would absolutely fuck them for that is depressing.

 

[Poatan Power]

Withholding judgment about it is not automatically siding with rapists and s, but rushing to judgment that it must be a frame job by the evil media because he's telling the truth about whatever kooky CT his supporters want to focus on is automatically siding with rapists and s.

I try to control my bias in situations like this. That being said, it's hard not to raise your eyebrows at this when the allegations are over a decade old and only appear after his online presence is now 100% focused on major corporate media bias, corruption and immorality. He's very open about his current sobriety / past behaviors including promiscuity, which everyone always knew about and never said a word that was brought to my attention. I don't really think it's a conspiracy theory to assume that media outlets that he actively campaigns against would love to have/use dirt on him to undermine his platform that reflects negatively on them.

I haven't made any judgements, but, I certainly do lean toward something being "off" about this. It's funny to see people on the left identify him as a "kooky CT" guy, because in general he reports on ideas that leftists would be slurping up in the 2006-2014ish range. At least from what I've seen from him.

 

[avenue94]

. I don't really think it's a conspiracy theory to assume that media outlets that he actively campaigns against would love to have/use dirt on him to undermine his platform that reflects negatively on them.

You are aware of the standards for libel in the UK, right?

So is the Times, a conservative outlet, trying to bankrupt itself or something? How do you explain your bizarre theory.

 

[eddymotto]

He may yet sue, but the amount of these people in this thread claiming that The Times made this up or was negligent when UK libel laws would absolutely fuck them for that is depressing.

something something... lizard people?

 

[avenue94]

something something... lizard people?

"these shadowy powers in it for the money are now willing to get sued for millions of pounds by making up rape allegations"

 

[Poatan Power]

You are aware of the standards for libel in the UK, right?

So is the Times, a conservative outlet, trying to bankrupt itself or something? How do you explain your bizarre theory.

Of course not, I'm not in the UK and I'm not a lawyer. I'm not sure how libel would apply to a media outlet reporting what has been reported by a 3rd party for public consumption and analysis. The Times is not accusing Russell of raping them, a 3rd party is. If you care to explain (or provide a link) how they'd be on the hook for libel I'm all ears. As it stands, Russell is very anti-establishment media and surely has made many enemies. And yes, just in general, I'd be fairly shocked if he was forcing non-consensual sex on individuals. And from reading the circumstances like females coming over to his home at 2AM, 3AM, etc... it sounds an awful lot like they were coming over for consensual sex.

Again, I don't think it's much of a stretch to think that the media he's branded as immoral would love to take him down a notch. This is the way you take successful men down -- sexual assault/rape allegations. You never recover fully from it even if they aren't true.

I think you may have me confused with someone else asserting that the media outlet(s) are making things up as they go along. that's silly. I think someone is accusing him of something and it's going to satiate the appetite of those that don't like him to sink their teeth into it.

 

[Zazen]

It’s crazy how fast people have forgotten this dude was a sex and alcohol addict until he rebranded himself as this spiritual cult leader. It’s easy for people like that to relapse. You guys really can’t remember even a few years back? How is any of this surprising?

 

[andnowweknow]

I try to control my bias in situations like this. That being said, it's hard not to raise your eyebrows at this when the allegations are over a decade old and only appear after his online presence is now 100% focused on major corporate media bias, corruption and immorality. He's very open about his current sobriety / past behaviors including promiscuity, which everyone always knew about and never said a word that was brought to my attention. I don't really think it's a conspiracy theory to assume that media outlets that he actively campaigns against would love to have/use dirt on him to undermine his platform that reflects negatively on them.

I haven't made any judgements, but, I certainly do lean toward something being "off" about this. It's funny to see people on the left identify him as a "kooky CT" guy, because in general he reports on ideas that leftists would be slurping up in the 2006-2014ish range. At least from what I've seen from him.

These women may have been prodded to come forward more forcefully now by those who wish to inflict reputational harm on Brand. The allegations may also be completely true as well. Motivation doesn't really negate reality.

 

[Poatan Power]

These women may have been prodded to come forward more forcefully now by those who wish to inflict reputational harm on Brand. The allegations may also be completely true as well. Motivation doesn't really negate reality.

I don't think I asserted that motivation negates reality anywhere in what I wrote, but I agree.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I try to control my bias in situations like this. That being said, it's hard not to raise your eyebrows at this when the allegations are over a decade old and only appear after his online presence is now 100% focused on major corporate media bias, corruption and immorality. He's very open about his current sobriety / past behaviors including promiscuity, which everyone always knew about and never said a word that was brought to my attention. I don't really think it's a conspiracy theory to assume that media outlets that he actively campaigns against would love to have/use dirt on him to undermine his platform that reflects negatively on them.

I think that's pretty much a textbook conspiracy theory. You're theorizing that they're conspiring against him with no evidence at all. The motive sounds a bit ridiculous, and the mechanism is unexplained. The straightforward explanation is rejected without any clear basis.

I haven't made any judgements, but, I certainly do lean toward something being "off" about this. It's funny to see people on the left identify him as a "kooky CT" guy, because in general he reports on ideas that leftists would be slurping up in the 2006-2014ish range. At least from what I've seen from him.

I think there has been a move of both CT nutters toward the right (as a political coalition--some claim leftist ideals) and of educated, sane folks toward the left. White college-educated voters were around 50/50 as late as 2000, and non-college whites were around 50/50 that same year. Now it's high-50s/high-30s. I think in the early '10s, anti-vaxers were on both sides but more commonly on the left, while that's an extreme rightist thing now. 9/11 Truthers were similar in that they were on both sides but probably more on the left. That CT has faded, but it flipped in the '10s IIRC.

 

[avenue94]

Of course not, I'm not in the UK and I'm not a lawyer.

If you aren't familiar with UK libel laws then you aren't really in an intellectual position to comment on the matter intelligently or fairly.

I'm not sure how libel would apply to a media outlet reporting what has been reported by a 3rd party for public consumption and analysis. The Times is not accusing Russell of raping them, a 3rd party is. If you care to explain (or provide a link) how they'd be on the hook for libel I'm all ears.

The Times would be on the hook if Russell wanted to claim libel. The burden of proof lies on them, so they would have to prove that the story was factual and the truth. Brand wouldn't have to do anything after he files because UK laws heavily favor claimants in libel proceedings.

Again, I don't think it's much of a stretch to think that the media he's branded as immoral would love to take him down a notch. This is the way you take successful men down -- sexual assault/rape allegations. You never recover fully from it even if they aren't true.

So you think the Times was fooled by not 1, but 2, but 3, but at least 4 women who fabricated stories of rape? How does one do that without stupidly high legal exposure?

And you think these women also fabricated medical records at a rape center and personal correspondences with Brand?

 

[fica]

I think that's pretty much a textbook conspiracy theory. You're theorizing that they're conspiring against him with no evidence at all. The motive sounds a bit ridiculous, and the mechanism is unexplained. The straightforward explanation is rejected without any clear basis.



I think there has been a move of both CT nutters toward the right (as a political coalition--some claim leftist ideals) and of educated, sane folks toward the left. White college-educated voters were around 50/50 as late as 2000, and non-college whites were around 50/50 that same year. Now it's high-50s/high-30s. I think in the early '10s, anti-vaxers were on both sides but more commonly on the left, while that's an extreme rightist thing now. 9/11 Truthers were similar in that they were on both sides but probably more on the left. That CT has faded, but it flipped in the '10s IIRC.

Conspiracies please they openly go against people who do not go on TV and say everything is happening in the world is just how is suppose to be.

 

[avenue94]

Conspiracies please they openly go against people who do not go on TV and say everything is happening in the world is just how is suppose to be.

So the Times fabricated both the text messages and medical records from a rape crisis center?

 

[Larzon]

Dylan Mulvaney is like 25 now, so "down to the timing and everything" would mean this 'trans celebrity" was raping girls at age 8?

I don't mind saying I'd probably say with 100% confidence he was molested himself when he was a small kid to go at such a young age from rapist, to becoming gay, to having sex change procedures. That's one hell of an arc in a 15 year period with 0 other explanations.

Don't don't become gay because you were molested you weird cunt